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Vatican accepts evolution as fact
Fatima Perspectives ^ | August 24th 2004 | Chris Ferrara

Posted on 08/28/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

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To: AskStPhilomena

I find this headline unbelievable!


21 posted on 08/29/2004 7:32:48 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dsc

Well, see, then you're one of the people who doesn't pit science against religion. That's what the church is trying to do: prevent them from being pitted against one another.


22 posted on 08/29/2004 7:33:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Thank you!


23 posted on 08/29/2004 7:34:33 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GirlShortstop; NYer

Thanks for the promo!


24 posted on 08/29/2004 7:36:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior

ping for your ping lists.


25 posted on 08/29/2004 7:38:26 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Salvation

Not having much success... It's though, because it's not like Aquinas would use a good buzz word like "evolution." (Not to suggest that he espoused Darwinism!)


26 posted on 08/29/2004 7:46:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I'm trying to think of what word you might search for: Just brainstorming:
creation
Adam and Eve
account
story
Genesis
God's plan for man

My brain just dried up.


27 posted on 08/29/2004 7:50:45 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Actually, I don't think it was in reference to Adam and Eve, but rather merely to the millennia it took for the mountains to be built, etc. I looked up milllennia, ages, etc. The interesting thing about the quote was that it even teased towards a notion of evolution of organisms, albeit not necessarily anything resembling Darwinism. I learned about in college, but cannot find it now.

So I'll just ask that if anyone reading this knows to what I refer, please post it.


28 posted on 08/29/2004 7:59:06 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dsc
So what if God used a method that looks like evolution to create man? When you're God, you do things the way you want to.

The point is that this is associated with something that science simply can not ever fathom, and indeed, will outright deny - the creation of our immortal souls. Where does our immortal soul fit into the scheme of creation via evolution? Science will always overlook or deny eternity ~ isn't that the only reason God made us? - for eternity?

It seems to me that if one holds to the evolution of man from an omeba to a monkey, then a caveman to todays man, somewhere in there, man did not have a soul or did not posess the ability to accept grace - which denied him eternal salvation - and to me, that alone is enough grounds to negate creation via evolution. Don't you agree?

29 posted on 08/29/2004 7:59:41 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: dangus

Just to clarify: reading evolution into it would probably be very forced. Also, the context I learned about it was natural law, not science, and it was not directly related to natural law.


30 posted on 08/29/2004 8:01:33 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Ch. -- OF THE FALSENESS OF THE HISTORY WHICH ALLOTS MANY THOUSAND YEARS TO THE WORLD'S PAST...........

They [pagans] are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of [man as] many thousands of years, though reckoning by the sacred writings we find that not 6,000 years have yet passed.

Saint Augustine's (354 - 430) ~ The City of God

Jesus was born some 5200 years after creation so this world is not much more than 7200 years old.

32 posted on 08/29/2004 8:09:42 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: Stubborn; dangus

Should say Chapter 10


33 posted on 08/29/2004 8:11:30 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Thank God I don't depend on fallible mortals for wisdom.

The Bible is VERY clear that the earth was created in seven days and on the seventh day God rested. Just goes to show, put your faith in God and not the Vatican or other fallible mortals.


34 posted on 08/29/2004 8:18:07 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Stubborn
Jesus was born some 5200 years after creation so this world is not much more than 7200 years old.

You're well on your way to becoming a Baptist.

The world is much much older than 7200 years, and it has been proven, scientifically.

That's the problem with the fundamentalist interpretation of Scripture: it falls like a house of cards in the face of science.

35 posted on 08/29/2004 8:27:17 AM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Be sure to let St. Augustine know that when you meet him.


36 posted on 08/29/2004 8:30:42 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: nmh
The Bible is VERY clear that the earth was created in seven days

Regarding your tagline, the ID people (Johnson, Behe, Dembski, et al) believe in an old planet, billions of years old. However, they believe that Darwinist theory cannot explain how life developed or (especially) originated. That required a Designer.

37 posted on 08/29/2004 8:31:30 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Stubborn

St. Augustine was not a scientist.


38 posted on 08/29/2004 8:32:45 AM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Theres probably not many scientists who are saints.


39 posted on 08/29/2004 8:34:40 AM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: megatherium

"Regarding your tagline, the ID people (Johnson, Behe, Dembski, et al) believe in an old planet, billions of years old. However, they believe that Darwinist theory cannot explain how life developed or (especially) originated. That required a Designer."

I'm not advertising them with my "tagline".

As I mentioned to someone else, the Bible is sufficient for me for His wisdom. I'm not responsible for the "wisdom" (LOL) of other fallible mortals.

The earth was created in six days and on the seventh day He rested. We are made in His image and He is NOT an animal.


40 posted on 08/29/2004 8:34:59 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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