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PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]
CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

Posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:35 PM PST by Quix

Prophetic Signs that we are in the End Times

Contender Ministries

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The Bible gives many examples of signs that should warn us of the coming end of the age. Six such signs are given by Jesus, two characteristics are given by Paul, and eleven other occurrences are given by the prophets to occur prior to or soon after the end of the age. While we are also told we will not know the time of the End, God obviously wanted us to know when that time was getting closer. As the Christian church is increasingly drawn into the interfaith movement, and as more and more churches go into isolation, preparing to sleep through the growing attacks on their faith, perhaps God knew it would take a few signs to wake us up and remind us that we have work to do.

Unfortunately, many Christians take the verses that tell us we won't know the time of His coming to mean they should ignore any and all scripture that might warn us of this time of tribulation. Others have fallen into the trap of fearing being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should they display an interest in the Biblical prophecies about our future on Earth. My philosophy is simple. God included it in the Bible and, since God is all knowing, we should trust that it is something we should know and study along with the rest of His Word.

It is increasingly obvious that the time of our Lord's coming is drawing near. Prophecy is being fulfilled daily, and at a faster pace than ever before. Whether you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, or believe Christians will be witness to the full tribulation, wrath, and final judgments, matters not. The beginning of birth pains and the signs of the times should have the same effect on all of us. It should motivate us to save as many souls as we can in the time that we have left. The Great Commission tells us to be disciples to all nations, bringing the message of salvation through Christ to all people. If the Church is raptured before the tribulation, it is important that we leave behind an explanation for the trials and judgments those left behind will face. How else will they recognize the deception of the anti-Christ and seek instead the truth of the Bible? If we are to endure the tribulation along side them, we will need to be prepared to not only share the message of salvation, but share with them the reasons for God's judgment and hold it up as further proof of their need to be saved.

Below is a study of the prophetic signs God gave us as a warning of the approaching end of the age. Many of them are being fulfilled now and many will be fulfilled in the near future. I would encourage you to study prophecy, know what is coming and be prepared to share it with others.

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SIX SIGNS GIVEN BY JESUS TO INDICATE HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE

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In Matthew24:3 Jesus was asked, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" Jesus told his apostles to look for the following signs prior to his second coming and the end of the age.

1. FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy. These false prophets are a prelude to the ultimate false christ, the antichrist. Many New Age groups, some even NGO's working for the United Nations, are anxiously awaiting the antichrist, preparing the way for his acceptance as the head of the hierarchy of gods and the one who will usher in world peace.

2. WARS

Matthew 24:6 "And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end."

Rumors of wars in all areas of the world now occur frequently thanks to instant media coverage and the availability of a multitude of 24-hour news sources.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

More people have been killed in warfare in this century than at any other time in history. As the death toll rises in the Middle East, more and more countries work feverishly to develop devastating weapons of mass destruction. Add to that the expanding threat of terrorism and unpredictable dictators such as Saddam Hussein, and the potential for the outbreak of war exists in nations, kingdoms and places across the globe.

3. FAMINES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

As white, Christian farmers are driven out of Africa in increasing numbers, and foreigners move in to replace life-sustaining crops with poppies that now supply 25% of the worlds drugs, famine spreads across the African continent. The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.

4. EARTHQUAKES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

The number and intensity of earthquakes this century is at a level higher than any other time in history. A staggering number of seismic events occur around the world daily. The earthquake seismic monitor IRIS shows all major earthquakes for the last year. Indicated by yellow and red circles, the seismic events of the last 15 days provides strong evidence of the fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 in our day. By contrast, in the years from 1890 to 1900 there was only one major earthquake in the world.

5. TRIBULATIONS

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Christians are under attack throughout the world today. In the United States Christians still enjoy freedom to worship God without suffering much more than ridicule, hatred, or discrimination at work and school. However in many other countries such as China, Sudan, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Russia, and many Muslim nations, Christian suffer much greater persecution and often times death for their faith. During the tribulation this suffering will be worldwide and will continue even to the point of martyrdom. These first 5 signs will increase in intensity and severity as the tribulation approaches, much like the birth pangs or contractions of a pregnant woman worsen as the delivery time approaches.

6. THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."

This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet. People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices.

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TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL

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1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS

II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

For anyone who has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, it is obvious this prophecy has been fulfilled by our generation. Our leaders are often corrupt; our cities are filled with crime, brutality, and neon signs proclaiming our sinful, godless nature. The New Age Movement brings in increasing numbers of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people in our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.

2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)

I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."

Churches today are becoming more and more ecumenical, embracing the New Age interfaith agenda, and denying Christ as the only way to salvation. Giving in to the politically correct media and a corrupt society, they have embrace homosexuality as an acceptable alternate lifestyle and preach tolerance and compromise in place of God's truth for the salvation of the world. The environmentalist movement within the New Age movement lures them into a worship of mother earth, belief in past lives, reincarnation, and Karma while demonizing all those who would eat the meat God gave us as nourishment for our bodies.

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ELEVEN FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECY REQUIRED FOR THE END OF THE AGE

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1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST

Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."

An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.

2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)

Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."

Daniel 2:40-43 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have the toughness of iron, and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. And in that you saw the iron mixed with clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

The fourth kingdom of iron is the Roman empire according to Daniel's interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The two legs are the division of the Roman empire into an eastern portion called the Byzantine empire which ended in the 1400's and a western portion based in Rome which ended in the 400's. The nations of Europe since the Roman empire dissolved have never adhered or formed one empire but continue as separate nations, however, the European Union now has 15 Member States and is preparing for the accession of 13 eastern and southern European countries.

3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

4. REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE, RESTORATION OF TEMPLE WORSHIP AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM

For several end time prophecies to be fulfilled, the temple will have to be rebuilt.

Revelation 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the oly city for forty-two months."

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolation, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Some archeologists believe that the temple mount is actually 340 feet south of the Dome of the Rock site, putting the Dome of the Rock within the Court of the Gentiles. This may be the court outside the temple that is left out.

There are many groups already working on preparations for the new temple. The blueprints are already done, the temple garments have been made, and there have already been attempts to lay the cornerstone of the temple. The only thing standing in the way of the construction of the new temple is Islam's third holiest site, the Dome of the Rock and government support for such an undertaking. Some possible scenarios for the rebuilding of the temple are as follows:

1. The persuasion and performing of miracles by the Antichrist and False Prophet convinces the Islamic world to approve the rebuilding.

2. The United Nations will negotiate the rebuilding of the temple following a war with the armies from the North (Russia and Islamic forces). This assumes that the war with the armies from the North is not the battle of Armageddon as some feel and that this attack occurs before the rapture or tribulation period begins. The supernatural destruction of the Russian army and Islamic forces will cause an outpouring of Christian worship and zeal amongst the Jewish people who will reconstruct the temple.

3. It is determined that the site of the first two temples is actually south of the Dome of the Rock, and the court of the gentiles (Dome of the Rock) will be left out of the 3rd temple.

A group in Israel called the Temple Mount Faithful have obtained most of the clothing, instruments and other equipment required for temple worship and are actively preparing for the laying of the third temple's cornerstone.

5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS

Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002.

6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL

Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Billy Graham was quoted as saying, "ninety percent of all the engineers and scientists who have ever lived are alive today." Air travel, space travel, DNA research and human cloning are all examples of the rapid increase in knowledge in our generation.

7. RETURN OF THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel.

8. THE RISE OF RUSSIA

Ezekiel 38:2,4,8 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them."

In order for some end time events to occur Russia will have to be a strong nation with a strong military.

9. RETURN OF RUSSIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."

In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.

10. TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Revelation 13:16-17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

On May 10, three members of a family in Florida became the first people to receive the biochip implant. Each device, made of silicon and called a VeriChip, is a small radio transmitter about the size of a piece of rice that is injected under a person's skin. It transmits a unique personal ID number whenever it is within a few feet of a special receiver unit. VeriChip's maker describes it as "a miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications."

Is the biochip the mark of the beast to be used by the antichrist? We can't really know. What is significant is that people are being softened to the idea of a mark or an implant as a means of maintaining security, providing medical information, and regulating a more interdependent world. As attitudes change, fears subside, and people are convinced of the need for such a mark, the true mark of the beast will be easily introduced to the world by the antichrist.

11. PLANS FOR THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

The United Nations, World Trade Organization, International Criminal Court, UN peacekeeping/police force, numerous UN NGO's, and other agencies are preliminary steps to the formation of a one world government. We now have the communications technology, transportation, and the pro-globalization media necessary to usher in the one world government headed by the antichrist. The increasing terrorist threat and the middle east conflict will only speed up the formation of this governing body as fear and promises of better security make more people willing to give up their national sovereignty for global governance.

12. INSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THE WORLD

Revelation 11:3, 7-10 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophecy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

Television and the 24-hour news networks make it possible for people around the world to see the dead prophets and rejoice at their deaths.

Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place."


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I believe that this is a good summary of SOME key evidences and their related Scriptures. I don't believe it's near as exhaustive as might be done. I would like to see dozens of such issues and their incremental advancements over the last 50 years. Seeing the graphs creep up at a faster and faster rate of speed toward fulfillment would be more interesting, to me.

Still, this is a good doc.

Blessings,

1 posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:37 PM PST by Quix
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I'm not sure if this was determined to be a hoax or not. I believe that that the heffer born was a hoax. Correct me if I am wrong.

"5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS

Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002."

The signs that you state are certainly RIGHT. There are more but this should get some curious.

The Jews are supposed to rebuild the Temple. So far it's not happening although they are trying.


2 posted on 11/07/2004 8:47:26 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Quix

FROM:

http://myweb.lmu.edu/fjust/Students/JohnHagee/signs.html




10 Signs
of the
coming

Apocalpyse




The following "10 Signs of the Coming Apocalypse" comes from John Hagee's book, Beginning of the End (pp.85-100).




1. The Knowledge Explosion

Hagee claims that during the end time an explosion of knowledge will occur. He gives examples of present technological advances to illustrate his point (airplanes, life support systems, internet).

Hagee derives this claim from the Bible, "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book till the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase" (Daniel 12:4).

Hagee says, "a literal translation of this Scripture indicates that during the end time, or the terminal generation, an explosion of knowledge will occur."

2. Plague in the Middle East

Hagee believes that in the end times there will be plagues and signs that are similar to plagues, like the effects of nuclear radiation.

Hagee claims that Zechariah foresaw these future plagues when he wrote, "And this shall be the plague...their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths" (Zech. 14:12-15).

Hagee gives two possible interpretations of this passage:

1) Ebola Virus that causes similar symptoms, and the effects of nuclear radiation that can literally dissolve flesh. Hagee believes with these modern realities, Zechariah's prophecy can be now understood.

3. The Rebirth of Israel

Hagee reminds his readers of May 15, 1948, when the United Nations announced their recognition of the state of Israel. Hagee describes Israel as the fig tree described in Matthew; he claims that when Israel is a young tree, it will be reborn and growing, but, "as soon as its branch becomes tender and starts putting forth its leaves", the end times are at hand (see Matt. 24:32-34).

The fact that Israel was made a nation in one day is proof, according to Hagee, that this is a fulfillment of biblical scripture: "who has heard of such things... shall a land be born in one day... shall a nation be delivered in one moment... yet as soon as Zion was in labor she delivered her children" (Isa. 66: 8-10).

4. The Jews Will Return Home

Hagee points out that Israel's children are now, in our own time, returning home from Russia and other places in the world. This to him is consistent with biblical prophecy which states, "...as the Lord lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them... and they shall dwell in their own land" (Jer. 23.7-8).

5. Jerusalem No Longer Under Gentile Rule

Hagee points to the fact that the gentiles controlled Jerusalem from 70 A.D. until the Six Day War of 1967. Hagee cites the statement of Luke that Jerusalem would be "trampled by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled" (Luke 21:24).

Hagee believes the "times of the gentiles" has been fulfilled as a result of the Six Day War of 1967, since Jerusalem is now under the control of Israel. Therefore, since Jerusalem cannot be under gentile rule in the terminal age, the current situation of the Jews controlling Jerusalem is a sign that we are in the terminal age.

6. International Instant Communication

The existence of satellites, tv, radio, the internet and all the modern wonders of instant communication exist is a direct sign of the terminal age. Hagee claims instant communication must exist in order for all people to see God's "two witnesses" who will "prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth" (Rev. 11:3, 7-10).

7. Days of Deception

Hagee uses several examples to illustrate how deception is present in our world today. He claims that, "New Age theories and philosophy are nothing but deception," and warns that these are signs of the end times.

According to Hagee, biblical prophecy states about the end times: "Everyone will deceive his neighbor, and will not speak the truth; they have taught their tongue to speak lies; they weary themselves to commit iniquity" (Jer. 9:5).

8. Famines and Pestilence

Hagee points out that Jesus said that in the latter days "there will be famines, pestilence, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows" (Matt. 24:7-8).

With this passage in mind Hagee talks about how AIDS, the Ebola Virus and other diseases are proof that we are living in the (terminal age = beginning of sorrows).

9. Earthquakes

Hagee tells his readers that God communicates with the "spiritually hard of hearing" through earthquakes. He believes that Israel's Messiah will be announced by an earthquake: "and he said, 'the Lord roars from Zion, and utters His voice from Jerusalem; and the pastures of the shepherds mourn, and the top of Carmel withers" (Amos 1:2).

Hagee believes that the increasing occurrence of earthquakes is a sign that the great earthquake that will announce Israel's Messiah is at hand.

10. As in the Days of Noah....

Hagee cites "but as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matt. 24:36-39).
Hagee explains how in Noah's days, the destruction of humanity by the flood resulted because of man's wickedness. Here, Hagee describes the "murders, rapes, kidnappings, assaults, child abuse, parental abuse, etc.," that are evident in our daily lives as direct signs that the end is at hand.


3 posted on 11/07/2004 8:49:48 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

So should I sell my stocks?


4 posted on 11/07/2004 8:51:31 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: Quix

For Catholic Freepers, Lucia (one of the children of Fatima) has already said we are in the last times. She said in an interview to read Revelation, because it is coming to pass.


5 posted on 11/07/2004 9:01:02 PM PST by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: Quix

"I would encourage you to study prophecy, know what is coming and be prepared to share it with others."

OK. I'm convinced and converted. Now, where do I order the books and tapes?


6 posted on 11/07/2004 9:01:17 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: Quix

Quix,

# 2 is incorrect. The "Falling Away" is actually a misinterpretation of 'Being Caught up'... This is a direct reference to the rapture. God also said that the gates of hell would not stand against His church. The church will actually come forth as it never has before... a great revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit will be in full swing before The Holy Spirit and Christ's bride will be removed from the face of the earth. The prophecies which follow the rapture occur during the great 7 year tribulation. Thats when all real hell is going to break lose and the beast will be exposed.


7 posted on 11/07/2004 9:01:43 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Jeremiah Jr

8 posted on 11/07/2004 9:20:29 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: nmh

I heard it was a hoax. Anyone else?


9 posted on 11/07/2004 9:31:48 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Safrguns

You are incorrect on "the gates of hell would not stand against his church", in the sense you interpret that.

Jesus asked Peter "Who am I?" and Peter replied "You are the Messiah, the son of the God"...(short version)
And Jesus said ""Flesh and blood hath not revealed it to you but the Father, etc and to Peter he says "Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it". THAT ROCK was NOT Peter BUT the REVELATION given to Peter from God of Who JESUS was!

The "falling away" is not the rapture but the actual "falling away" of many of God's people, there is no once saved, always saved salvation. IT's in the Book of Hebrews....look it up. Somewhere between Chapters 6-12 I believe. Many had already fallen away, in fact on 9/11 many people went to church in droves, and have dropped away again.


10 posted on 11/07/2004 9:48:38 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Quix

prophecy bump


11 posted on 11/07/2004 9:50:11 PM PST by prophetic (What do u call someone who flip-flops so much? A Politician? No, a HYPOCRITE!!)
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To: Quix

12 posted on 11/07/2004 9:54:04 PM PST by timestax
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To: Quix

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13 posted on 11/07/2004 9:55:51 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Hmmm...


14 posted on 11/07/2004 9:57:03 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Kackikat
So I guess that 11/2 was a defeat for the church too?
Seems like thats all we hear about on tv.
Stick around... it gets better.
15 posted on 11/07/2004 9:59:43 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: bikepacker67
So should I sell my stocks?

NO, but you could sign them over to me if you would like! :-)

16 posted on 11/07/2004 10:09:50 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Safrguns

11/2 was a Victory for the Church, any christian knows that. Bush in White House is right result, anything else would have been disaster.


17 posted on 11/07/2004 10:10:41 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Safrguns
# 2 is incorrect. The "Falling Away" is actually a misinterpretation of 'Being Caught up'... This is a direct reference to the rapture.

I have never heard anyone say this before. Where did this come from?

18 posted on 11/07/2004 10:15:42 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: ladyinred
Jack Van Impe is the best source for proof on this.
Basically it boils down to a single word in the KJV which was poorly translated... reversing the interpreted meaning of the original Hebrew text. I'll see if I can find a link.
19 posted on 11/07/2004 10:29:32 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Quix; All

The following is from this URL which is the only place the links below will work:

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Bible_Desk/proof_bible_true.htm

PROOF THE BIBLE IS TRUE

(Subjects in this Section)

1-TESTIMONY­THE BIGGEST SKEPTIC IN THE WORLD: IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME

2-THE SOON COMING CLIMAX (BIBLE PROPHECY-A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY) (PROOF THE
BIBLE IS TRUE AND WE ARE NOW LIVING IN THE LATTER DAYS)

3-WHAT IS GOING ON?

1-testimony
THE BIGGEST SKEPTIC IN THE WORLD: IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME

To the best of my memory, before I came to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, I did not believe the Bible was true. I doubted whether there was a God and believed that we were born, lived so many years, and then died. I owned a successful business and thought that I had succeeded by my own wits.

One evening, my wife and I heard some documentation that these were the last days before Jesus Christ would actually return. Not really wanting to hear it, I almost walked out. Something kept me there, and I listened. I was not convinced. I still had doubts whether or not there was a God. I doubted whether there really was a Satan, heaven, hell, or a judgment. Just to be sure, however, I decided to do a little research.

My idea was to find out if the Bible was really true. Indeed, if I could find one contradiction, one error, or anything in the Bible that was not true, then that would be all that was needed to disregard it. (I wasn't necessarily interested in whether we were in the latter days or not, but just trying to find out if the Bible was really true.) I believed this would take a very short time.

As I have learned, the Bible has about 10,000 prophecies. Nearly one-third of the Bible is directly or indirectly related to prophecy. This endeavour led me into far more research than I could have suspected. One thing needed, was to determine when the Bible was actually written.

Because of this, a study of biblical history and archaeology was necessary. I found the Old Testament was indeed written before the coming of Jesus, as the Dead Sea Scrolls (containing parts of the book of Isaiah) were proven to have been written before Jesus came. The book of Isaiah includes forecasts of Jesus. Thousands of clay tablets have also been found, which confirm many accounts in the Bible.

I began studying the prophecies in the Bible. My wife would go to the library for me to obtain documentation from reference books to see if the prophecies really did take place. One day went by, then two days, and then a week. Every prophecy that we were able to get information on proved to be accurate. Two weeks went by. Then four weeks passed. My job became of secondary importance. Every prophecy that we were able to verify checked as being true. I was astonished, but far from convinced.

I still had doubts as to whether there was a God, a heaven, or a hell­yet I had to be sure. Later, there were people who would show me what appeared to be contradictions in the Bible, yet these were not contradictions at all, but only a lack of research on the part of those that said these things. I was searching to find if the Bible was true. My wife spent a lot of time at the library making copies of various reference materials, which I would check out against the Scriptures.

Stubborn, that's me. Even after four weeks of intensive study, proving prophecy after prophecy was true, I was still skeptical and refused to believe. I began taking more time off from my business and investing it in study. One month turned into two, and two months turned into four. The more I researched, the more determined I became.

It wasn't possible. The Bible could not be perfect. Thousands of prophecies, and every one perfect? No, impossible! Sixty-six books written by many people over hundreds of years and not one error? If I would admit that, I would have to admit there was a God, and I was not prepared to do it, even after months of research.

My studies also included various translations of the Bible, checking prophecies against reference books, archaeological discoveries, just to mention some. It became an obsession with me. My foremost desire was to know the truth. Four months turned into many months. I’ve never known anyone, before or since, that was willing to take this amount of time just to find out if the Bible was true. Finally, I had to admit­I was wrong.

If you would walk across the street 10,000 times and never get hit, then you would walk across the street the next time by faith. So it was with me. Finally, after spending almost countless hours of research, I had to admit the Bible is true and is indeed the perfect Word of God.

Anyone willing to take the time I did and do the same research, could only come to the same conclusion, if they are honest with themselves. I may have been the biggest skeptic in the world, but now I know. It did not come easy, but by God’s mercy and grace, it did come.

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. I know that there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we MUST be saved (EXCEPT JESUS). We need to REPENT of our sins and receive Jesus Christ as our only hope of salvation, by FAITH. Eph 2:8-10-FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD. NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. Call on Jesus NOW to be YOUR Lord and Savior. It is written, EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN-Mt 18:3. Afterward, we are to be baptized in the name of the FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST-Mt 28:19. Baptism is by full immersion in water­ BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM-Ro 6:4. We are to OBEY the Gospel-Heb 5:9. Jesus loves us. We are to LOVE GOD and keep His commandments. For Jn 14:15 says, IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

2-THE SOON COMING CLIMAX

(BIBLE PROPHECY ­a very brief summary)
(PROOF THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND WE ARE NOW IN THE LATTER DAYS)

This message may be called a road sign of warning. Some may look at a sign that reads­THE BRIDGE IS OUT, and say, “Oh, someone is just trying to scare us into taking another road; let’s go on the same way.” They go on and plunge to their death. The sign was not meant to scare people, but to warn them of impending danger. The sign was put there, because someone cared and didn’t want others to die.

God wants you to know, WHEN YOU SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PASS (the prophecies from the Bible in this message), KNOW [YOU] THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND-Lk 21:31.

Will Russia and some Arab nations invade Israel? Yes

Will the U.S.A. become involved in this war? Yes.

Did you know the Bible tells us about what is happening?

3-WHAT IS GOING ON?

People have said the end was near many times in the past­true. But did you know the Bible shows us no prophecy of the latter days meant anything until Israel was reborn into a nation? Did you know God’s Word indicates to us a generation would not pass from Israel’s rebirth, till all be fulfilled (which includes the Rapture, the Tribulation, and Jesus Christ’s return)? A Jewish generation can be figured from the age of 20

[Quix believes that as long as one person who was alive when Israel became a nation in a day in 1948--if one person alive then is alive when all is fulfilled, such an interpretation will have been fulfilled]. We are in that time period now. We are not setting any dates, but are giving you a warning sign to watch and be ready.

Many people have been preaching about the latter days of the end times in churches, on radio, TV, and through books. Some include Billy Graham, Hal Lindsey, Rex Humbard, Ray Brubaker, John Hagee, David Breese, Zola Levitt, Jack Van Impe, and Peter Lalonde, just to mention a few.

Even people who do not know the Bible can sense something is about to happen. To them that understand the Bible, no explanation is needed. To them that are prideful, self-centered, that love this world, that despise God’s correction, that are contentious and seeking the praise of men rather than of God, no explanation is possible-ref Dan 12:4,10; Mt 24:37, 39.

A dying declaration is considered proof in a court of law. Why is this? When you are dying, it is the one time you don’t lie. Christ’s words as He was dying on the cross for your sins are evidence. Jesus said, FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO-Lk 23:34. Just before being hung on the cross, He said He was the Son of God-ref Mt 27:43; Mk 14:62.

It has been said that it is virtually impossible for anyone to make 11 straight predictions, 2000 years into the future. There is only one chance in 8 x 10 to the 63rd power, or 80 with 63 zeros after it that such a thing could be done. If such a set of predictions existed, it would have to be the Word of God.

Consider, could you write eleven straight predictions that would take place 2000 years in the future, the year 4000 A.D.? Include the rebirth of a specific nation and exactly how it would be reborn. Include specific nations that would exist and certain nations that would be allied together, and the exact size of a nation’s army. Include what the people would be like in the year 4000. Include what the church would be like in those days. Include the names of actual cities that would exist and name certain crops and fruit trees that would exist. Do eleven straight prophecies, and be exactly correct on every single one.

The Bible not only does this eleven times, but hundreds of times with absolute, perfect accuracy. If this is so, even the most skeptical person would have to agree that there is indeed a God, and the Bible has to be the Word of God.

2 Peter 1:20,21 KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN-Lk 24:25. However, believing there is a God and acknowledging the Bible is the Word of God does not save a person. A person needs to repent of their sins and receive Jesus Christ as their only hope of being saved. This is done by faith.

Let’s prove the Bible is true and that we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3. Prophecy fulfilled. This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948. That’s 1 out of 1.

Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Nevertheless, the Bible showed that the day would come when the nation of Israel would be reborn.

The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the latter days. It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus immediately after. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Twenty nine of them are listed here.

Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the fulfillment of the signs from God’s Word and the incredible rebirth of Israel happening exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.

Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration.

At exactly 4pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, “The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended.” Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once. It happened exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under armed attack by the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Iraqis.

3. The rebirth of Israel would happen after many days. It would occur a long time in the future after the prophecy was made and at the time the bible calls the latter days-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.

Note: It is estimated that this prophecy was made around 580 B.C. Approximately 2500 years later, in 1948, this prophecy was fulfilled.

4. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) “out of the nations.”-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 4 out of 4.

Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the “United Nations” approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was “brought forth out of the nations”­the children of Israel from many nations were returning to their ancient homeland.

5. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 5 out of 5.

Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know we are in the last generation. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. A Jewish generation is figured from the age of 20 to 60 (1968). We are not setting any date, but it seems clear that we are living in that generation now.

[Quix--see my comment above about my notion of generation. There are several perspectives]

6. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 6 out of 6.

Note: God will spew them out. Many church leaders and people that call themselves a Christian and are sure they are saved will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us­you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most churches preach very little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put very little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. People will not endure sound doctrine-2 Tim 4:3. They turn away from the truth-2 Tim 4:4. Many church members are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Many ministers think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

7. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. Here are some:

A.
Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect. Reportedly in Great Britain alone, there are about 35,000 professing witches.

B. People would have no conscience-1 Tim 4:1,2.

C. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.

D. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials­“I do it for me”?

E. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.

F. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.

G. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.

H. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?

I. People would be untrustworthy, friends would betray friends-2 Tim 3:1-3.

J.
People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?­we can go another time. Our American motto “In God we trust” has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.

K. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 7 out of 7. How could you have any doubts at this point?

Note: Fifty years ago, many people never locked their doors at night. People could leave their keys in their car. Merchants could leave their merchandise on the sidewalk without guards, and there was no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.

8. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. This prophecy is true. That’s 8 out of 8.

Note: When in our history would anyone have ever thought this possible? It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2000) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

9. There would be an increase in earthquakes-Mt 24:2,3,7; Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11. This prophecy is correct. That’s 9 out of 9.

Note: One might think as the earth settled over a period of time that earthquakes would decrease like ripples in the water. Yet the Bible indicates the opposite is true. In this last generation, research from the U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center reveals that major earthquakes of a magnitude of 6.0 or higher have remained relatively constant during this century.

[Quix: Certainly Honshu off Japan has had--I think--more than 12 or so 5.9 and above in the last month or so]

However, the total number of earthquakes in recent years appear to be rising. For example, it was reported that in 1986, the total number of earthquakes was 12,718. In l990, it was 16,612. In 1994, it was 19,371. This will culminate during the Battle of Armageddon, AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. At that time, there will be an earthquake that will shake the world. The cities of the nations will fall. Every island will flee away.

10. At the time of the end, there would be famines in various places. Food shortages would still exist in some places-Mt 24:3,4,7; ref Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11. This prophecy is accurate. That’s 10 out of 10.

Note: In this last generation, many are starving in the world. Poverty and crop failure, due to severe weather, drought, or insect infestation, are often a factor. Many people are born, live, and die on the streets, in alleyways, or railroad stations in some countries of the world.

Multitudes live in mud houses with grass or palm branches for a roof or have no place to live at all. Billions have no electricity. In some nations, good drinking water is almost nonexistent. Senseless wars have left millions of people with no place to go. Refugee camps exist in many places where people live under conditions that are almost indescribable. They are hungry.

One such person was asked, as I recall, “What would it take for you to consider yourself rich?” His reply was, “I would consider myself rich, if I could have a roof over my head that did not leak, and if I could know what it is like to go to bed at night with a full stomach.”

It has been estimated that 60,000,000 people a year die from starvation around the world. This prophecy is accurate.

[Quix: It's been predicted by some modern prophets that IN THE UNITED STATES, people will be waiting for loved ones to die so that they can have something to eat--and that many will not wait for them to die naturally . . . that many babies will go from birth to the pot on the stove due to extreme famine from the culture rejecting God etc.]

11. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This prophecy is exact. That’s 11 out of 11.

Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or “among all nations.” [Quix--published in many cases is on cassette tape. There is still much to be done. Some experts estimate it may take another 10 years or so. Some say given the cassette tapes, it may be finished sooner than anyone can guess].

Yet when this prophecy was made, the possibility of such a thing would have seemed impossible. There was no printing press or any means to do such a thing. In addition to this, the Gospel should be available by short-wave radio to listeners anywhere in the world. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible­11 perfect predictions­yet with God nothing is impossible.

12. In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 14 out of 14.

Note: How could the Bible have foretold such a thing? It told the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass. As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic in the world can see that the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are very near the time of the end.

Here are just a few more prophecies briefly given, out of the 365 that exist, regarding this latter day generation.

13. In the last days, people would be hoarding gold and silver. True. It began in the late 1970’s.

14. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is absolutely astounding. It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000. How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure.

15. The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel. The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel. The Bible is flawless.

16. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44.

About 29 prophecies in 16 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance of any person writing 29 perfect prophecies 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, “YOU” cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL?

[Quix: the following is plausible. I don't, personally, believe anyone has the sequence etc. all figured out. But, this one is believed by many to be true. Others hotly debate it.]

4-WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? THE RAPTURE AND TRIBULATION

RAPTURE is a term used to describe the removal from the earth of all living people that have been born-again as evidenced by their fruits. Just prior to the Tribulation coming about, the Rapture will take place. The number that will be raptured will be far fewer than most people might think.

The Bible unmistakably portrays the raptured saints in heaven before the throne of God, prior to the Antichrist coming forth and the Tribulation beginning. The Scripture tells us, in the twinkling of an eye, we shall be changed and be with Jesus in the air. 1 Cor 15:51,52-WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP, BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, IN A MOMENT IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AT THE LAST TRUMP: FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND; 1 Thes 4:16,17-AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST, THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS. We may be asleep, immediately we will be with Jesus. All the unbelievers, the lukewarm Christians, and those that did not obey the Gospel will be left to face the Tribulation. (For an in-depth study of the Rapture, click here.)

THE TRIBULATION is the worst time in history since man has been on the earth. Immediately following the Rapture, the man of sin (called the Antichrist) comes forth and assumes control of the EEC. He can be expected to be very charismatic and brilliant. He confirms a treaty with Israel and others, which begins the Tribulation.

It is a 7 year period, but the Lord may have shortened the first 3 1/2 years in some way-ref Mk 13:20; Ro 9:28. We are not setting a date; however, we are now living in that generation in which this will happen. Hate, murder, thefts, rape, and every imaginable form of evil will abound.

During this horrible period of God’s wrath, Russia, Iran, and other nations will come against Israel. The USA becomes involved. One-fourth of the world’s population will die. Many of the dead will be from the USA, as well as Russia. One-third of trees are burned up. All green grass is burned up. One-third of the sea will become blood. One-third of the creatures in the sea will die. One-third of the ships are destroyed. One-third of the waters become wormwood (or poisoned, or radioactive). Massive famines, increased earthquakes, and more diseases will happen as birth pangs of a woman.

Those left alive will have opportunities to receive Jesus through the preaching of 144,000 male, virgin Jews; however, death by decapitation lies ahead for most that put their trust in Jesus, unless they renounce their faith. There will also be many false Christs and false prophets. A one-world, false religion that God calls MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH will increase. This religion has existed for hundreds of years and exists today. The nations of the world have become intoxicated with her false teachings. The temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt.

About 3½ years from the end of the Tribulation, the Antichrist (also called the beast) is killed with a wound in the head by a weapon, but his deadly wound will be healed. He will come back to life. He then declares himself to be God and moves into the temple in Jerusalem. A false prophet appears that will do great wonders. The sacrifices at the temple will be stopped.

The abomination of desolation occurs. An image of the Antichrist will be set on a wing of the temple. Those that refuse to worship it will be beheaded. The elect born-again Jews now flee for their lives to a place where God will hide them and take care of them during the last three and a half years. Power is given to the Antichrist over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. All that dwell on the earth shall worship the Antichrist, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb.

During these last three and a half years (called the Great Tribulation), world conditions will continue to worsen. A one-world system will be set up. The Antichrist shall make war against the saints and will overcome them. People will be required to take the mark of the Antichrist or the number of his name (666) in or on their forehead or right hand. If they refuse, they cannot buy or sell.

Two prophets of God will appear. One of them is Elijah. Their ministry lasts 1260 days. They warn people not to take the mark or worship the image. There is no forgiveness from God afterward for those that take the mark and worship the image. They will go to the eternal lake of fire. These two witnesses have the power to shut up heaven that it rain not during their days on the earth.

They have the power to bring all kinds of plagues on the earth. Multitudes will be slain for the Word of God. Locusts will sting men with a sting like a scorpion. It will be so bad that men will seek death and shall not find it. There will be terrible sores upon men. The rivers and fountains will become blood. Men will be scorched with great heat. Earthquakes continue to get worse and worse. Diseases will continue to get worse and worse.

Two hundred million troops will march to Israel from the east and cross the dried up Euphrates River. One-third more of the earth’s population will be killed. After the 1260 days, the two prophets of God will be killed. People will rejoice, but then after three and a half days, they will arise and ascend up to heaven as people watch. Great fear falls on those that see this. Men will be so terrified that their hearts will fail, as they consider what is about to happen. Multitudes will hide in the rocks and say, “FALL ON US AND HIDE US FROM...HIM (Jesus)…FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND?”-Rev 6:16,17.

[I tend to prefer a literal interpretation. But sometimes I wonder if the 200,000,000 army is a FORCE EQUIVALENT fiture in ancient terms]

5-IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION []

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the Battle of Armageddon explodes. It lasts one day. The kings and armies of the earth are gathered to make war against Jesus. Jesus Christ returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords with all His saints. If He had not returned exactly when He did, there should be no life left on earth.

The Antichrist and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. Satan is chained for one thousand years, so he can deceive the nations no longer till the thousand years be fulfilled. Every force of nature is likely to be unleashed at once, including killer tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, lightning encircling the earth, and the biggest earthquake in mankind’s history. The cities and the mountains of the world will crumble.

The Bible tells that every island fled away. The mountains were not found. There is great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of 70 to l00 pounds. The earth will move out of its place. At the end of that one day, there are so few people left alive that a child could write the number.

This may all sound like a fairy tale, but remember­ from Israel’s rebirth to the Tribulation, there are about 365 prophecies. In addition, there are over 10,000 prophecies in the Bible and every one up to this time has come true without a single exception. THE FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD-Ps 14:1.

6-ARE YOU READY TO MEET JESUS? []

If you had a sudden heart attack or the Rapture came in the next five minutes, are you sure you are ready to meet God? You may say, I believe I’m a good person. The Bible says all of your righteous deeds ARE AS FILTHY RAGS. You may be religious and go to church, but if you died right now­you would perish to hell. Why? Because you have not been born-again. You may say, “Well my church never preaches like this.” Will you trust your religion or what the Bible says? If you choose not to accept God’s way to enter heaven, then you are choosing eternal separation from God. God loves you.

7-YOU MAY ASK, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO? FOUR THINGS. []

1. You must admit that you are a sinner. The Bible tells us, ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.

2. Be willing to change, to forsake all sin, to humble yourself and live for Jesus. Repent. Be willing to ask God for His help to make that change. The Bible tells us, EXCEPT YE REPENT, YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH. WHOSOEVER THEREFORE WILL BE A FRIEND OF THE WORLD IS THE ENEMY OF GOD. Jesus tells us, HE THAT IS NOT WITH ME IS AGAINST ME.

3. Believe in your heart Jesus Christ is God’s only begotten Son, God Who came to this earth in human form. Believe He died for your sins. It is written, THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. If you are caught robbing a bank, you have to go to jail. Jesus never sinned. When He died on the cross, He did not die for the things He did. He died to pay your jail sentence.

4. Ask for forgiveness. Ask for God’s mercy. By faith receive Jesus Christ as your only hope of salvation. Afterwards, be willing to get baptized by full immersion in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Nicodemus was considered a very religious man in the Bible; however, in Jn 3:3, Jesus tells him it is not enough. You MUST BE BORN AGAIN. You must ask for God’s forgiveness. You must confess Him publicly. Whenever Jesus called someone he did it publicly. He said in Mt 10:32-WHOSOEVER THEREFORE SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN, HIM WILL I CONFESS ALSO BEFORE MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. As it is also written, BE READY ALWAYS TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY MAN THAT ASKETH YOU A REASON OF THE HOPE THAT IS IN YOU WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR-1 Pe 3:15.

I am going to ask you to make that decision for Jesus right now. You need to repent and ask Jesus to be your Lord and Savior. Please kneel right where you are. Can you feel God calling you right now? Is your heart pounding? You may have been baptized or confirmed, but something inside you is saying, “Be sure.” Perhaps you have strayed from God and need to rededicate your life to Jesus now. Would you rather go to be with God or the lake of fire? You have that choice right now. God wants you to receive the gift of eternal life. Are you sure there is not a sin, there is nothing that stands between you and God? But you may know there is.

The Bible tells us THERE IS A WAY WHICH SEEMETH RIGHT UNTO A MAN, BUT THE END THEREOF ARE THE WAYS OF DEATH. Jesus wants you to KNOW HIM, to have a personal relationship with Him. It’s not a matter of whether you think you know Jesus, but does Jesus know you?

Right now, kneel and pray this prayer out loud, and mean it with all your heart.
DEAR JESUS, I AM A SINNER. I BELIEVE YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD AND DIED FOR MY SINS ON THE CROSS. FORGIVE ALL OF MY SINS. JESUS, I REPENT. I ASK YOU TO HAVE MERCY ON ME, A SINNER, AND COME INTO MY LIFE. GIVE ME YOUR SPIRIT AND YOUR POWER. HELP ME TO FOLLOW AND OBEY YOUR COMMANDMENTS, AND TO LIVE FOR YOU. JESUS, I GIVE YOU MY LIFE. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY PRAYER. THANK YOU FOR COMING INTO MY LIFE. I ASK IT IN THE NAME OF MY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN.

8-IF YOU JUST SAID THAT PRAYER AND MEANT IT []

We recommend you now read your Bible every day faithfully­5 chapters a day. Begin with the Gospel of John, and read it through three times. Next go to Matthew and read the New Testament through three times. Then begin reading the entire Bible in order, beginning with Genesis. As God opens up His Word to you, obey it. Be a doer of the Word and not a hearer only, deceiving yourself-ref Ja 1:22. As you are faithful, God will open your understanding of His Word more and more.

Find a good Bible-teaching church that teaches God’s Word, not just stories about worldly things. Attend often and get baptized. Tell others that Jesus is your only hope of salvation. If you’ve just said that prayer and committed your life to Jesus, please e-mail us and let us know. We would like to pray for you and send you some free literature.

9-FINAL NOTE ON SALVATION []

Many people are positive that they are saved. They base this on emotions. They may make certain comments, such as, “I am a good person. I do what is right. I’m not as bad as that person. I had an experience with God. I feel that I am saved. I can feel God is with me. I know the Holy Spirit is inside of me.

I am a preacher, an elder, a prophet, or a preacher’s wife. I have prayed, and God answered my prayer. I believe in God. God did this or that for me. I sing in the choir. I go to church. I praise and worship God. I give my money to the church. I was baptized.”

While all of this sounds very nice, it is not based upon biblical knowledge. Many that are now in hell have said such things. The Pharisees in the New Testament also could have said many of these things, but Jesus showed them clearly they were not saved.

If you have received Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son, as your Lord and Savior, it is because God in His mercy has opened your understanding. As it is written, FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM-Eph 2:8-10.

“After” we believe on Jesus Christ, “after” we have repented of our sins, we are commanded to be baptized by full immersion in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. It is written, HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED; BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT SHALL BE DAMNED-Mk 16:16. Note, believing on Jesus comes “before” water baptism. Baptism prior to repenting and believing on Jesus has no meaning. You cannot be baptized into One on Whom you do not believe. It is written, FOR AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST-Gal 3:27. Water baptism is by full immersion. As it is written, BURIED WITH HIM (with Jesus) IN BAPTISM (or buried in the water)-Col 2:12, ref Ro 6:4. Jesus commanded, GO YE THEREFORE, AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST: TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: AND, LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. AMEN-Mt 28:19,20.

Surrender means “you give up.” You stop putting your will before God’s will. You allow Jesus (God’s Word) to reign over you. You submit to Jesus and let Him become the Lord of your life.

If you have not humbled yourself, and totally surrendered to Jesus, and become as a little child (ref Mt 18:3), and continued steadfast in the faith, I would suggest that NOW IS THE ACCEPTED TIME; BEHOLD, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION-2 Cor 6:2. Please submit to God, say the prayer, and mean it with all of your heart. God loves YOU and cares.

It is written, EYE HATH NOT SEEN, NOR EAR HEARD, NEITHER HAVE ENTERED INTO THE HEART OF MAN, THE THINGS WHICH GOD HATH PREPARED FOR THEM THAT LOVE HIM-1 Cor 2:9.

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20 posted on 11/07/2004 10:52:13 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: nmh

I don't believe it was a hoax.

I believe they found a flaw in the first heffer.

I think they have since been provided one that passes muster.

I think the red heffer issue is out of the way and awaiting other bench marks to be fulfilled.


21 posted on 11/07/2004 10:54:46 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: bikepacker67

I wouldn't have a clue about stocks.

But I do believe that there's plenty opportunity to make a lot.

Survivalist technologies, I'd think would do well.

So would some satanic oriented things like the SLAG (SLave tAG) implant chip etc. But I wouldn't invest in those!

Besides, timing seems to be something that virtually all the prophetic voiced I know have never gotten very accurate, yet. They will. Not sure when.


22 posted on 11/07/2004 10:57:10 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: vrwcagent0498

I don't see how anyone can pay attention to the News that knows REvelation, Daniel, EZekiel etc. and NOT think we are in the last days! LOL.


23 posted on 11/07/2004 10:58:01 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: mjtobias

It's not about books and tapes.

Certainly not SUPPOSED TO BE!

I think God is getting ready to clean house on that bunch of stuff.


24 posted on 11/07/2004 10:58:52 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Safrguns

Am inclined to agree.


25 posted on 11/07/2004 10:59:30 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: prophetic

THX


26 posted on 11/07/2004 11:00:41 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: ladyinred
The scripture in question is 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
"...That day (revealing of the antichrist) will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition."
Here's the same scripture from the HNV version (Hebrew)
"Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,"

The concept of a "falling away" as we have understood it and as it has been described does not fit with any other prophecies concerning the end times. I challenge anyone to find a supporting prophecy suggesting that God's church (not individuals) will be in a state of failure when He comes for it. However, if this IS a case of mis-translation, and HNV version is correct, the word departure (Rapture) fits very well with the context of the verse and chapter. i.e. The antichrist will not be revealed until the church has departed.
27 posted on 11/07/2004 11:03:04 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Quix
Satan's lie to the un-believer:
You cannot become a christian... your sins are too great

Satan's lie to the newly born again christian:
You didn't really become a christian because you still sin

Satan's lie to the mature christian:
You can lose your salvation if you fall away

False teachings have their designed consequence.
The consequence of this one is guilt (because we cannot escape our own sin)
Guilt will result in either a response of pride - "I have not fallen away" or a response of fear - "I have lost my salvation."
Either way, the end result is a disabled christian.
28 posted on 11/07/2004 11:28:53 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Quix
I believe that this is a good summary of SOME key evidences and their related Scriptures.

One you left out, and the one that "seals" it for me is Paul Crouch's contention that the "flying scroll" prophecy of Zechariah 5:2 is absolutely, unquestionably fulfilled in the TBN broadcast satellites, two of which fit perfectly in the shuttle cargo bay.

Paul definitely has his finger on the pulse of Bible prophecy. And don't you just dig his wife's hair?

29 posted on 11/08/2004 6:36:44 AM PST by topcat54
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To: nmh
The Jews are supposed to rebuild the Temple. So far it's not happening although they are trying.

Who's trying what?

30 posted on 11/08/2004 6:38:51 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix
Hagee explains how in Noah's days, the destruction of humanity by the flood resulted because of man's wickedness. Here, Hagee describes the "murders, rapes, kidnappings, assaults, child abuse, parental abuse, etc.," that are evident in our daily lives as direct signs that the end is at hand.

And this is something new??

I think Jesus's point, as opposed to Hagee's speculation, is that no one will be able to discern the approach of His coming based on "signs".

"But He answered and said to them, 'An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. '" (Matt. 12:39,40)

Modern sign seekers and followers of folks like word-faith guru Hagee ought to be wary.

31 posted on 11/08/2004 6:46:03 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Safrguns

I understand your perspective.

I don't believe the last one included the WHOLE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE of Scripture.

I believe it's much tougher to walk or slip away from God than many might think. But I believe that Scripture teaches that it's possible. I don't care to argue over specific Scriptures. There are plenty on both side. Pretending there is only one side, is not Biblical, nor intellectually honest, to me.

Thanks for your kind post.


32 posted on 11/08/2004 7:27:15 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54

CONCEIVABLE.

I'm not a great fan of make-up at all--much less industrial strength. However, Jan's heart seems a ton more on target than some other similar hearts in past orgs.

I pray Paul is a true man of God. I pray the rumors are unfounded.

But, God has used arses before and does daily. My mirror works.

Hadn't heard of that interpretation before. Conceivable. Also conceivably hype.

We shall see in due course.


33 posted on 11/08/2004 7:30:02 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix

hmmm


34 posted on 11/08/2004 7:31:09 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: topcat54

The Temple pieces, components, stones have reportedly been ready for years. The Temple could be built within a year of starting.

The vessles for use have been made and priests have been trained int heir use.

DNA has been used to affirm authentic descendents from Aaron.

When the Temple is rebuilt, we can know that there are scant years left until Christ appears in the clouds. Thankfully, even 7 years of horror is a RELATIVELY short time.


35 posted on 11/08/2004 7:32:55 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54

I think you missed Christ's points at least by half.

He made it clear that the unGodly unbelievers wouldn't have a clue.

He did also chide Believers who could tell the weather but not read the signs accurately--encouraging them to read the signs better and be alert for the end times and His return.


36 posted on 11/08/2004 7:34:50 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
The problem with these end times 'interpretations' is that they are self-fulfillments of a flawed theology. While in the middle of saying 'You must be born again', the implication is that you have 'free will' and must 'choose Christ' in order for that new birth to happen. The very speech that speaks these 'warnings' admits it isn't God as His Creating Word and can't create anything or it wouldn't be asking and manipulating emotions of the present non-born again creature. These end times prophecies are by in large emotional manipulations to get the onlooker to choose quick. 'See there? You better chose Christ before the buzzer sounds!' Each one is more sensational and more 'logical' than the last and each one is based on the Bible supposedly being nothing more than 'holy information' that the reader/onlooker must first manipulate somehow or have it manipulated for them by another human mind or group of minds and then 'choose as truth'--otherwise God's Word violates the will of the one born again--the ultimate no no in the free will lie. In Truth, God's Word violates the will of the former creature as He creates and births real, literal new creations in Jesus Christ because we are born again on-the-hearing of His Word. So this whole 'method' of 'warning' non-new creations in Jesus Christ into Church via end times/prophecy manipulation is false and a lie--in the midst of seeming to be extremely pious.

God says read His Word and understand prophecy. Know what is going on around you. Yes. God never says anywhere it is okay to alarm souls in a false gospel and entrap them in churcheology to get their money. In fact He says those that do/false prophets will say to him "Lord, Lord.." and He will say "Depart from me. I never knew you." Nowhere does He say "Depart from me. You chose poorly."

Don't waste time looking up to prove to God you know Him. God knows you if you are His. Get on with what He is doing through you.

James 1:18 According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of *his* creatures.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

37 posted on 11/08/2004 7:35:04 AM PST by telder1
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To: Ann Archy

THX.


38 posted on 11/08/2004 7:36:00 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: telder1

I find most of it simple and plain Scripture not needing any great intellectual interpretation.

I certainly endeavor daily to get on with whatever God has before me.

Thanks for caring enough to post.


39 posted on 11/08/2004 7:38:46 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix
The writer makes a mistake in the six signs from the book of Mathew. The first five are the "non-signs" (compare to what has taken place consistently over the last 2000 years). The sixth is the sign of what must take place before the end comes.
40 posted on 11/08/2004 7:48:45 AM PST by D Rider
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To: D Rider

Qualitatively and quantitatively, I disagree about the first 5 signs.

Sigh.


41 posted on 11/08/2004 7:57:22 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Quix; mjtobias; topcat54
It's not about books and tapes.

Certainly not SUPPOSED TO BE!

I think God is getting ready to clean house on that bunch of stuff.

Where in the book of Daniel does it prophecy that God will hold a yard sale? Has He held one before? What does He do, staple a sign on the moon when He's ready? Maybe that's what the moon's craters are - old staple points from prior yard sales?

42 posted on 11/08/2004 7:59:26 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Quix
The Temple pieces, components, stones have reportedly been ready for years. The Temple could be built within a year of starting.

Whose reports? The Israeli government?

DNA has been used to affirm authentic descendents from Aaron.

This is funny. DNA from Aaron? Too many Raider of the Lost Ark type "facts" in play here.

Can you point us to the "scientists" that have made these amazing discoveries?

43 posted on 11/08/2004 8:01:47 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Quix
He did also chide Believers who could tell the weather but not read the signs accurately

Believers??

Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. He answered and said to them, "When it is evening you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red'; and in the morning, 'It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." And He left them and departed. (Matt. 16)
The only "sign" that Jesus was giving to the pharisees and sadducees was the sign of His resurrection. That heppened almost 2000 years ago.

I think you need ot work on the facts a bit more.

44 posted on 11/08/2004 8:06:47 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL.

Do you really doubt that God is getting ready to cleanse THE TEMPLE--to clear out all the pseudo Christians from THE BODY OF CHRIST?

If you doubt that . . .

Sigh.


45 posted on 11/08/2004 8:14:28 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54

Some of this was asserted as far back as my 1973 trip to Israel.

Articles in CHARISMA MAGAZINE from time to time have updated such issues.

Some of the DNA stuff has been posted on FR.

You can search and Google as well as I can. Help yourself.

I've seen enough evidence for what I believe.


46 posted on 11/08/2004 8:16:10 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: topcat54
Can you point us to the "scientists" that have made these amazing discoveries?

Allow me....

http://www.according2prophecy.org/24colleague.html

"Prof. Karl Skorecki, a senior nephrologist (blood specialist) at Rambam Hospital in Haifa is the head of molecular medicine at Israel's Technion's medical school. He and his colleagues published their findings in Nature, a British science journal."

Note that they found a common genetic trait among males who claimed to be of the Aaronic tribe. They did not prove that this genetic trait was passed down from Aaron; despite how the article reads.

47 posted on 11/08/2004 8:17:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Quix
CONCEIVABLE.

Hardly. Crouch is a pure self-promoter. Why else would he want you to believe that God's had Paul's television network in mind when the Holy Spirit spoke to Zechariah?

Hype and sensationalism is Paul's only claim to fame. He's an ear tickler.

48 posted on 11/08/2004 8:17:39 AM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54

You can construe His exhortation to the pharisees as of import to them only, if you wish.

I've always taken it as an exhortation to me, when I've read it. And I certainly have never considered myself a pharisee--well rarely so!

But you go ahead and ignore whatever Scriptures don't fit your construction on reality. I'm sure God will be impressed.

/s

I'm very comfortable with my assessment of facts and puzzle pieces. I typically wait for God to confirm whatever He chooses to confirm BY EVENTS.


49 posted on 11/08/2004 8:18:26 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Alex Murphy

I'm sure God is eternally awed

by our notions and standards of scientific "fact."

I'm sure the evolution bit just knocked God's socks off on that score.

The assertions of generations of family members coupled with the DNA evidence is probably sufficient for the training priests to believe that they won't be terminated for taking on the role.

God is a lot freer to act outside the box doing and proving whatever He wishes to His satisfaction whenever and however He chooses to. And, given that HE'S THE AUTHORITY on who should serve as Israel's priests, I'm confident there won't be a big problem.


50 posted on 11/08/2004 8:22:07 AM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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