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Posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:38 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
North Jackson, near Youngstown. Here's the amazing story of how the land was acquired.
One day, driving along Lipkey Road, Father Peter noticed a sign, "Property for Sale 80 Acres." "That's it", he said. He was impressed by the long frontage, the evergreens of the State Forest, the Meander Reservoir (close to the property), the turnpike gate and the nearby Holiday Inn.
The owner of this property told Father Eid that she "will never sell to a Catholic." He tried to explain that a house of prayer would be much better than a junkyard or a supermarket, but to no avail. After three visits, Father Eid told her, "This is my last visit. But, I am going to call my friends and we will pray for nine days so that He will tell you to sell us the land to build a Sanctuary for His Mother, Mary." Father Peter then called upon his brother, Father Maroun Eid, Father Maroun Abi Nader and his brother Father Elias Abi Nader to pray a novena for this very intention. Surprisingly, before the nine days were over, the lady owning the land, called Father Eid and declared, "Priest, come and take the land. Your Lady is bothering me in my sleep!" In 1961, Father Eid paid $3,000 for a six-month option on the N. Lipkey Road property.
Lol!
You can read the entire history of the shrine, here.
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That's easy for me...For you, your church is Holy...For me, the scriptures are Holy...
Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the Holy Scriptures,)
And how do you know if what the church or anyone tells you is true???
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
So where did the Bible come from?
St. Athanasius in his Festal Letter, § 39, in 367 AD, published a list of books suitable for reading during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a regional canon for the Eastern Church.
You left out the history up to 367 AD...As you know, it's a matter of history that your church scoured the world in search of copies of the scripture and burned every one they could get their hands on...And of course, these copies were deemed heretical, by your church...
That fact that your church deemed what should be scripture is meaningless...
Jesus told his prodigal son Peter, Jn 21:15 “Feed My lambs  Tend My sheep  Feed My sheep.” Jesus had earlier said, Jn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd.” By directing that Peter become the good shepherd,
Jesus did no such thing...You're trying to insert something in the scripture that's just not there
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, ordaining his office and primacy. Peter became Christ’s vicar, or personal representative, on earth. Peter’s prestige as the head apostle was so great that people Acts 5:15 “Â carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and pallets, that as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them.”
Pure conjecture...No scripture to back it up...All of the Apostles performed signs and wonder, including Paul...The focus was supposed to be on Jesus, not Peter...
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
Lookin' like you folks have rejected the real 'stone'...
Jesus told His apostles, and by extension their successors, Mt 10:40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.” That authority has crossed the centuries in a continuing line of apostolic succession. Every Catholic bishop, priest, and deacon was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop  who was personally ordained by Jesus Himself.
Does this include the Popes, Bishops and Priests that were homosexual, or the ones that had illegitimate children??? Were they ordained by God as well??? Nothing but more conjecture...
”Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who accept all the means of salvation given to the Church  through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops.”
You have to reject the scripture if you chose to believe this...
I don't care what the Catholic church does...I don't care anything about the Catholic church...But when you guys try to twist and pervert the scripture to try to make it line up with your church and publish that kind of nonsense, I'll jump in every time...
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Do you read any other scriptures??? Sheesh...You guys pick out a few verses and build a church on 'em...
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Is this a familiar scene to you???
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
Now that may not apply to you, but it applies to me...
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
That's pretty straight forward...
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1Tim; 3:5 "If anyone does not know how to manage a family, how can he take care of God's church?"
This verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.
On the other hand, the number of Scriptural verses that support priestly celibacy is far greater.
"But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife. There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction." - 1 Corinthians 7:32-35
"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman." - 1 Corinithians 7:1
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life." - Matthew 19:29
"His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]." - Matthew 19:10-12
Emphasis mine.
Finally, to put it bluntly, one doesn't need to be an adulterer to counsel other adulterers. Priests understand the sacrificial nature and sanctity of marriage in a way that few others do. Who better to counsel a person in the ways of keeping the marital vow of fidelity than one who keeps the vow of celibacy?
"correct but a falsehood nonethe less"
A truth can not be a falsity at the same time. There is an error in your statement.
Vatican opposes female clergy anywhere, gives reasons from Bible
Marajade made it about whatever struck her at the moment. Typically ignoring posts that differed from her personal interpretation of scripture.
Here's the real deal... we apparently put more stock in the words of Christ than the words of (presumably) Paul.
Here's the real deal... we apparently put more stock in the words of Christ than the words of (presumably) Paul.
Actually, this thread is about the ordination of women and the Vatican opposition to it.
And my question still stands: how can the church say that women cannot be priests but still believe in the discipline of celibacy for male priests that isn't substantiated in scripture in Timothy. Does the Catholic Church even read the entire book of Timothy in relation to structure or just the parts of it that it wants?
"This verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry."
Really? Where is that substantiated?
The entire Word is the testament of Jesus Christ.
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