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Yom Kippur: Israel's Reconciliation
The B'rit Chadasha Pages | 9/29/06 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 09/29/2006 8:27:34 AM PDT by Buggman

In my first article on the Fall High Holy Days, we saw that the Feast of Trumpets is intimately linked by both Yeshua and Sha’ul with Yeshua’s Second Coming on the clouds of heaven, and saw that this corresponded with the expectations of the rabbis. Now we come to the second of the Fall Feastdays, and the holiest day of the Jewish—which is to say, Biblical—calendar: Yom Kippur takes place on the tenth of Tishri, nine days after Rosh Hashanah.

On that day, the high priest would put on a special coat of white linen and carry out a very unusual sacrifice.

And he shall take the two goats, and present them before YHVH at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for YHVH, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which YHVH's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before YHVH, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. . . .

And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. (Lev. 16:7-10, 20-22)

Today, the sacrifices which were the centerpiece of the Levitical ceremony cannot be held of course, but this does not make it impossible to observe the day. Like Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur is not a pilgrimage Feast: No one was required to be in Jerusalem (other than the cohenim, or priests) for its service. However, those outside of Jerusalem still bore the responsibility for not doing any work, gathering in a holy convocation (i.e., in their home synagogues), and for denying themselves (Lev. 23:27ff). Out of these three commands, modern Judaism has built its customs.

After a final, festive meal in the afternoon before Yom Kippur, Jews the world over dress in white in remembrance of the High Priest’s white linen robe that he would wear within the Holy of Holies, and at sundown go to what is known as the Kol Nidre (“All Vows”) service. The Kol Nidre is a prayer sung to a haunting cadence, which asks God to release one from any wrongful oaths taken that year. It dates to the Middle Ages, when Jews were forcibly converted to Christianity; they would ask God to release them of the vows taken at the point of a sword. Another traditional song is Avinu Malkeynu (“Our Father, Our King”), which translates as follows:

Our Father and Our King
Our Father and Our King
Our Father and King
Be merciful to us
Be merciful unto us.

For we have done no deeds
Commending us unto You
For we have no deeds commending us to You
Be merciful, save us, we pray.

Synagogue services typically run all day, with observant Jews petitioning God to forgive their sins. Fasting, denying one’s self, is mandated by Torah, and observant Jews will usually refrain from any comforts at all during the day, including bathing, wearing leather shoes, etc. It should be noted that Isa. 58 and Mat. 6:16-18 both speak against fasting to be seen and fasting in lieu of true repentance:

“Wherefore have we fasted,” say they, “and Thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge?” Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to YHVH? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? (Isa. 58:3-7)

True self-denial is not the mere restraint from food, though it may include fasting from food (Mat. 6:16-18, 1 Co. 7:5).

Yom Kippur ends with the Neilah (“The Closing of the Gates”) service and a final blast from the shofar. It is said by the rabbis that the gates of Heaven through which our prayers of repentance can rise close at this time, sealing one’s fate for the year. Of course, in the Messiah Yeshua, we may always “come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (Heb. 4:16). However, there is still an eschatological truth to the rabbinical belief, discussed in the previous article on Rosh Hashanah.

Of course, it may rightly be asked in what sense can one be atoned for on this day without blood, “for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul” (Lev. 17:11). One who believes in the Messiah Yeshua, of course, looks to Him and His perfect sacrifice for their atonement. Non-Messianic Jews follow the belief established by Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai that acts of righteousness provide atonement (Avot de Rabbi Nathan 4:18). However, even in the Jewish community, the need for blood redemption still runs deep. In the ceremony called Kaparot, practiced only in very Orthodox circles, a chicken is waived over the head three times as the man says,

“This is my substitute, my vicarious offering, my atonement. This fowl shall meet death, but I shall enjoy a long, happy life.” After reading several selections from Job and the Psalms, the person lays his hand on the head of the bird as a symbol of identification, it is killed as his substitute, and given to the poor for their final meal before the fast. (Howard and Rosenthal, The Feasts of the Lord, p. 126)
Why is a chicken used instead of a goat, for example? Because goats, bulls, oxen, rams, and lambs could only be offered for sacrifice in the Temple, so the rabbis forbade the use of any animal which might make it appear that one was continuing the sacrificial system. (Turkey or chicken is substituted for lamb for the Passover dinner in most Ashkenazi homes for the same reason.)

In Biblical times, of course, a bull and two goats were the sacrifices made. The bull was offered for the sins of the High Priest and the other priests, so that he could be purified before entering into God’s presence. The goats, one for Yhvh and one for the scapegoat would then atone for Israel. The word “scapegoat” is a translation of Azazel. Keil and Delitzsch explain the significance of the word:

Azazel, which only occurs in this chapter, signifies neither “a remote solitude,” nor any locality in the desert whatever (as Jonathan, Rashi, etc., suppose); nor the “he-goat” . . . The words, one lot for Jehovah and one for Azazel, require unconditionally that Azazel should be regarded as a personal being, in opposition to Jehovah. . . We have not to think, however, of [just] any demon whatever, who seduces men to wickedness in the form of an evil spirit, as the fallen angel Azazel is represented as doing in the Jewish writings . . . but of the devil himself, the head of the fallen angels, who was afterwards called Satan; for no subordinate evil spirit could have been placed in antithesis to Jehovah as Azazel is here, but only the ruler or head of the kingdom of demons. The desert and desolate places are mentioned elsewhere as the abode of evil spirits (Isa. 13:21 and 34:14; Mat. 12:43; Luk. 11:24; Rev. 18:2). (Keil, Johann and Franz Delitzsch, Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, [e-Sword version 7.0.0, ed. Rick Meyers, 2000-2003])
And yet, while the “scapegoat” was, in effect, given over to Azazel, to the very Enemy himself, the “two goats . . . must be altogether alike in look, size, and value; indeed, so earnestly was it sought to carry out the idea that these two formed parts of one and the same sacrifice, that it was arranged that they should, if possible, even be purchased at the same time” (Edersheim, The Temple: Its Ministry and Services, p. 248). So all speculations that the scapegoat might represent Satan or the Antichrist or some other evil entity fall short. What could these two goats signify other than the dual-natured Messiah Yeshua? He carried away all our sin, just as the scapegoat would be sent into the wilderness with the sins of Israel: “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us” (Psa. 103:12). Unlike the lambs, goats, and bulls that died on the altar, our Messiah rose again. Thus, like the two goats, He was both sacrificed and yet lives.

A red ribbon was tied in the horns of the scapegoat. When the goat was led out before the people, if God accepted the sacrifice, the ribbon would miraculously turn white as a reminder of the promise that “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isa. 1:18). It is most interesting that for the forty years between the sacrifice of Yeshua and the destruction of the Temple, the scarlet ribbon did not turn white!

Forty years before the Temple was destroyed the chosen lot was not picked with the right hand, nor did the crimson stripe turn white, nor did the westernmost light burn; and the doors of the Temple’s Holy Place swung open by themselves, until Rabbi Yochanon ben Zakkai spoke saying: “O most Holy Place, why have you become disturbed? I know full well that your destiny will be destruction, for the prophet Zechariah ben Iddo has already spoken regarding you saying: 'Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour the cedars'” (Zech. 11:1). (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 39b)
Hebrews 8 -10 explains that when Messiah completed His sacrifice on the cross, He entered the heavenly Holy of Holies, of which that of the Tabernacle and the Temple were merely copies, to complete the Yom Kippur ritual of atonement. The sacrifice was not accepted because it was being offered by the wrong High Priest:
For Messiah is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others . . . But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool. (Heb. 9:24-25, 10:12-13)
But if this is the sole and sufficient fulfillment of the feastday of Yom Kippur, then we have a problem. In every other feastday that we have seen fulfilled in history, the fulfillment took place on that day. Yeshua was offered up on Passover as the Lamb of God, thus taking away our sin just as leaven was removed from the Hebrews’ houses during the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He rose as the firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20-23) on Sfirat HaOmer or HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits. The Church was given the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) in power on Shavuot, or Pentecost, the Feast of Weeks. And we have seen that His Second Coming seems likely to occur on a Rosh Hashanah in order to fulfill that feastday. Why then would the Day of Atonement be out of sequence?

The Exodus
The Feastdays of the Torah are divided into three groups—the spring feasts, Shavuot (Pentecost), and then the fall feasts—each of which is linked to a distinct stage of the Exodus and Israel’s instruction at Sinai. In addition, there are at least three minor feasts (that is, those which were not ordained at Sinai) which are also prophetically significant. The key to understanding the Feasts’ prophetic significance is to understand their historical significance.

When YHVH reorganized Israel’s calendar by proclaiming the month of the Pesach (Passover) to be the “beginning of months” (Exo. 12:2), He was establishing that His plan of salvation begins with the Passover. However, to truly understand God’s plan, we begin our brief study not with the Passover, but with the six “silent” months which separate the Passover from the previous Sinai-ordained Feastday, Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Within this “silent period” lie two minor Feasts: Hanukkah, which celebrates the victory of Israel over the forces of Antiochus Epiphanes, and Purim, which celebrates her victory over the forces of Haman some three centuries earlier as is described in the book of Esther. Hanukkah has an eschatological significance which will be explored in another article, but for now it is enough to note the element these two feasts share in common: Both celebrate YHVH’s “hidden” protection of and provision for His people. Though He did not act with any obvious miracles like fire from the sky or supernatural plagues, nevertheless He brought His people to victory against overwhelming odds: In Purim by the placement of a Jewish queen, and in Hanukkah by giving the Jews might in battle.

These “silent” months between Sukkot and Pesach correspond to the 430 “silent years” which lead up both to the Passover of the Exodus (Gal. 3:17) and the Passover of the Messiah. Both periods were characterized by the lack of a true prophet to lead the people, “a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of YHVH" (Amos 8:11). God had not forgotten His people, but it probably felt to them like He had.

When the Lord fulfilled His promise to redeem His people from bondage, it was through the Passover and the death of a Lamb. God’s people were set free from Egypt via the blood of the lamb painted on their doorposts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. Likewise, God’s people were set free from sin by the blood of the Lamb painted on their hearts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. The seven days of the Feast of Matzah, in which all the leaven had to be removed from Israel’s houses and no leaven could be eaten, represents the quick removal of Israel from Egypt (in which there was no time to make leavened bread) and the complete removal of all sin in our lives by the sacrifice of Yeshua as we flee the ways of the world.

In the third month after Israel’s departure from Egypt, they arrived at Mt. Sinai (Ex. 19:1). There God descended on the mountain in fire, with the sound of a shofar (vv. 16ff), and called Moses up the mountain to begin giving him the Torah. According to Jewish tradition, the day that this happened was the day of Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks, a date consistent with the Biblical record. Like HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits for the barley harvest, on which Messiah was raised as the Firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20), Shavuot is a firstfruits festival for the wheat harvest. On the first Shavuot, the firstfruits of the nation of Israel began receiving the Torah. On Shavuot after the death and resurrection of the Messiah, the firstfruits of the Church began receiving the Torah written on their hearts by the giving of the Spirit of God in the form of fire and with a great sound (Jer. 31:33, Ezk. 36:26-27, Acts 2:3ff).

After giving Moses the first commandments, the Lord called him back up the mountain to receive further instruction, and Moses remained with Him for forty days (Exo. 24:18). It was during this period that Aaron led the people in the sin of making and worshiping the golden calf. When Moses descended again from the mountain and saw this, he smashed the stone tablets on which God had written His commandments, signifying that Israel had broken the covenant they had made to follow all of God’s commands, and many in Israel died, both at the hands of the Levites whom Moses commanded to take arms against their kinsmen, and by a plague sent by God. Moreover, Moses removed the Tent of Meeting (not the Tabernacle, which had not yet been built, but a different tent in which Moses lived and met with YHVH; Exo. 33:7ff) to outside the camp, signifying that the people’s sin was great enough that God had removed the visible place which was the focal point of Israel’s worship and His Presence.

The parallel is not difficult to understand: Forty years after Yeshua ascended into Heaven, Israel still had not repented as a body from her “golden calf.” Just as Israel in the Exodus fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their tradition (in this case, image-based worship), which they learned while in Egypt, instead of worshipping God in the manner in which He had commanded them, Israel in the first century fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their traditions rather than doing so through the Messiah as He had commanded them. While the details differed, the essential core of the sin was the same.

So was the punishment. As Israel in the Exodus was punished by the sword and plague, so Israel in 70 AD was punished by the sword and plague. And as Israel in the Exodus had the Tent of Meeting removed by their prophet, Moses, so Israel in the first century had the Temple removed by the prophet after Moses, Yeshua HaMashiach. The destruction of both Temples took place on Tishbi b’Av, or the 9th of the month of Av. While it cannot be proven, the timing of the Golden Calf incident makes it quite possible that Tishbi b’Av is the day on which Moses removed the Tent of Meeting as well.

In the Exodus sin, God’s fury was so great that He said to Moses, “Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation” (Exo. 32:10). YHVH-Tzva’ot, the Lord of Hosts, was actually planning to destroy the whole nation and start over with Moses and his children! This is, in fact, what Replacement Theology claims that God did to Israel in the first century: destroyed them, and replaced them with the Messiah’s “children,” the Church.

Those who believe that God has cast away His chosen nation need to take another look at Exodus. Moses, who had not joined in the sin of the people, interceded for Israel so that God would not utterly destroy them, though He did punish them, even (temporarily) taking away their place of worship. Are we to think that Yeshua did any less, or that His intercession for Israel would be any less heard? And notice the basis on which Moses interceded for Israel: Not on the basis of their obedience or repentance, but on the basis of YHVH’s Name—that is, His reputation—and His promises (ibid., vv. 12-13). It is on this same basis that the Lord has already begun returning Israel to her land: “Thus saith the Lord YHVH; ‘I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine holy Name's sake . . .’” (Ezk. 36:22).

The Future Fulfillment
“Okay,” the amillennialist answers, “clearly not all of the Jews were destroyed, but the Temple was, and since we are now the Temple of God, there will be no other.” Again, keep reading. After seeing to the punishment of Israel and removing the Tent of Meeting, Moses was told by God, “And I will send an angel before thee . . . for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way” (Exo. 33:2, 3). But Moses, not content that a lesser angel go with Israel, returned up the mountain, and interceded with God for another forty days, going without food or water, until YHVH relented and agreed to send His Presence with Israel. The form in which His Presence went with Israel was in the pillar of fire and cloud which was intimately connected with the Tabernacle:

The Tabernacle of Israel was known by several names. . . The name dwelling from Heb. mishkan, from shakan, to “lie down,” a “dwelling,” connected itself with the Jewish, though not scriptural, word Shekinah, as describing the dwelling place of the divine glory. (Unger, F., The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, R.K. Harrison, ed. [Moody, 1988] “Tabernacle of Israel,” p. 1238)
According to the Talmud, the day on which Moses returned with the second set of stone tablets, showing that YHVH had forgiven Israel and restored fellowship with them, was the day of Yom Kippur (Tractate Taanit 30b), and the forty days that he fasted before God correspond with the forty days of T’shuva (Repentence) that are traditionally observed leading up to the Day of Atonement. (This forty-day period of fasting may be the same forty-day period that Yeshua spent fasting and being tested in the wilderness after His baptism.)

Likewise, the day on which Yeshua will return to restore His fellowship with Israel, and direct them in building a Temple greater than that which they built on their own, just as Moses directed Israel in building a Tabernacle greater than the former Tent of Meeting which was taken away from the camp, will be on Yom Kippur. Like the Levitial High Priest emerging from the Holy of Holies to show that God had accepted the sacrifice of the goat on the people’s behalf, Yeshua will emerge from the Holy of Holies in Heaven to show Israel that God has accepted His sacrifice on their behalf.

Yom Kippur is not yet complete. Our High Priest is hidden from our eyes, beyond the veil, making intercession for us day and night, but He has not yet emerged to show all Israel that His blood-stained garments have been turned as white as snow, proving that the Father has accepted the High Priest’s sacrifice on behalf of all Israel, not just the remnant that now believe. When He does, carrying the sign of a covenant restored before Israel even as Moses did, then the Temple promised by Ezekiel will be built, just as the Tabernacle was.

When will the High Priest come forth? On the last day of Daniel’s Seventieth Week when Israel and Jerusalem will “make reconciliation for iniquity” (Dan. 9:24). The word for reconciliation, kaphar, is most often translated “atonement.”

With Israel’s sins atoned for, the way will be made for the final stage of the Messiah’s reconciliation of all things to Himself. Next we will study Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, when Yeshua will be officially crowned King over all the nations . . . on His birthday.

Shalom, and God bless.


TOPICS: Judaism; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: atonement; christ; christianity; day; eschatology; feastdays; feasts; jesus; judaism; kippur; messiah; messianic; prophecy; sacrificd; secondcoming; temple; yeshua; yom; yomkippur
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To: kerryusama04
The problem with that interpretation is that it would mean that the Messiah's office ends at the same time, since the same prophecy that promises that He will always be there to sit on David's throne also promises that there will always be Levites to offer sacrifice and offering. If the sixth seal brings about the end of the Levitial office, then it also brings about the end of the Messiah's.

I don't think either of us would follow it to that conclusion. :^)

61 posted on 10/03/2006 6:02:00 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman
Since we both think dead=dead, where are the Levitical priests now?
62 posted on 10/03/2006 6:12:50 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Buggman; kerryusama04
Speaking here of the Last Days.....and sacrifices
63 posted on 10/03/2006 6:19:22 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: kerryusama04

God knows, just like He knows the identity of all the other tribes (Rev. 7) and families (Zec. 12:12-14).


64 posted on 10/03/2006 6:39:08 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; Diego1618
It sure does say sacrifices and such, but why? Perhaps during the millenium, but cetainly no more after that.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

The New Jerusalem has no temple and the one that you guys are referencing now will be built with human hands, right? So it will have to be destroyed before the new heaven and the new earth arrive, no? It makes no sense to me to have animal sacrifices just for the sake of having them. But, again, I spend most of my time studying about the past apostasies and what we need to do now in order to be a witness to these marvels :)

65 posted on 10/03/2006 7:26:38 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618

I don't know how the Levitical priesthood's role will change in Eternity--the Bible doesn't give us enough information on that Age to do more than speculate wildly. By the same token, we don't know how King Yeshua's role will change--He won't need to rule the nations "with a rod of iron" when all evil is done away with, I'd imagine. That doesn't mean that He won't continue to rule, nor does the end of history mean that the Levites won't continue to minister in a role particular to them.


66 posted on 10/03/2006 8:15:23 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; kerryusama04; Diego1618
That doesn't mean that He won't continue to rule, nor does the end of history mean that the Levites won't continue to minister in a role particular to them.

That's a good point. In the heavenly realm there seem to be certain classes of angels with certain responsibilities. Cherubin for example, and seraphim. There's no reason to think that glorified humans won't have specific roles in eternity.

67 posted on 10/03/2006 9:26:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Buggman; kerryusama04; Diego1618; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24

But just so much speculation.

If the most fundamental of relationship, marriage, will be radically changed in eternal state (Matt. 22:30), what make us think such mundane and time limited matters like the levitical priesthood would remain?

"You are a priest forever, accordng to the order of Melchizedek."

In reality, the new Jerusalem is represented symbolically as the holy of holies. It is describe as a perfect cube.

"The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal." (Rev. 21:16; cf. 1 Kings 6:20)

This represents how the people of God are made to be priests forever (Rev. 5:10), since we all live within the most holy place. We live in the same place where Jesus entered by His own blood.

Folks need to recognize how any notion of a continuation of the levitical priesthood once Messiah has appeared and offered His perfect sacrifice once for all is a fundamental denial of Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King.


68 posted on 10/05/2006 6:34:06 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; Diego1618; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24
If the most fundamental of relationship, marriage, will be radically changed in eternal state (Matt. 22:30), what make us think such mundane and time limited matters like the levitical priesthood would remain?

You mean besides the fact that Jer. 33 says it will?

In reality, the new Jerusalem is represented symbolically as the holy of holies. It is describe as a perfect cube.

That's one speculative interpretation. Another is that it is a pyramid, and is referred to in the Tanakh as the Mountain of God or Mount of Assembly (i.e., the spiritual truth to which Mt. Zion on earth points).

Folks need to recognize how any notion of a continuation of the levitical priesthood once Messiah has appeared and offered His perfect sacrifice once for all is a fundamental denial of Christ as Prophet, Priest, and King.

Then I guess all the Apostolic Jewish believers were in denial, since they continued to worship daily in the Temple (Acts 2:46, 3:1ff, etc.), which meant participating in the daily burnt offerings at the very least. And those under Ya'akov (James) who thought it no unusual thing to take a Nazrite oath, which required no less than four animal sacrifices when it came time to shave their heads (Acts 21:20ff) were also apostates. And Sha'ul was likewise an apostate for joining them--or else a liar and a hypocrite who lacked the courage of his convictions.

Simply stating a position does not constitute an argument, TC. If you want to discuss the role or not of sacrifices in the End Times and post-Second Coming period, I wrote practically a whole article defending the position that the Levite priesthood will continue which you have to refute.

But, lest anyone think that this is a point which one can use to go after Messianic worship in general, let me state again: Not all Messianics share my view. Many agree with you that the Levitical priesthood is done away with forever. However, neither that position nor my own that the High Priesthood is transferred to Yeshua (though without canceling God's promises to the heirs of Phineas) aborogate us from the commands of God; it simply transfers the sacrificial part of those commands to the Holy of Holies in Heaven.

Again, the discussion of the priesthood is an intellectual eschatological one, not one which affects our current practice. it's a side-issue to the primary one on this thread.

So then, on Yom Kippur, it is Yeshua who intercedes before the Father on our behalf as our High Priest (as indeed He does every day), but it is still for us to take a sabbath-rest, to deny and humble ourselves, and to gather in a holy convocation which takes special note of His intercession. Not for salvation, but out of obedience to the God we love.

69 posted on 10/05/2006 7:42:13 AM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; Diego1618; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24
Jer. 33

In the new covenant all the saints are priests of God (Rev. 5:10). Under the old covenant types, the Levitical priesthood and the sacrifices were simply shadows of the work of Messiah. So the prophecy tend to reflect that perspective. To take them literally while ignoring the NT is a fatal error.

Since Christ is on the throne of David in heaven, and ministering in according to the order of Melchizedek (a better priesthood) I don't see why Jer. 33 is an issues unless one is given to an artificial literalism on OT prophecies that ignores the NT reality.

"In reality, the new Jerusalem is represented symbolically as the holy of holies. It is describe as a perfect cube."

That's one speculative interpretation. Another is that it is a pyramid, and is referred to in the Tanakh as the Mountain of God or Mount of Assembly (i.e., the spiritual truth to which Mt. Zion on earth points).

Well that a curious statement coming from one wanting to emphasize the basically Hebrew nature of the Scriptures.

Why would God give the Jewish John the Revelator a vision of a pyramid?

"Then he built the twenty-cubit room at the rear of the temple, from floor to ceiling, with cedar boards; he built it inside as the inner sanctuary, as the Most Holy Place. ... The inner sanctuary was twenty cubits long, twenty cubits wide, and twenty cubits high. He overlaid it with pure gold, and overlaid the altar of cedar." (1 Kings 6:16,20)

"The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal." (Rev. 21:16)

The language in these two passages is virtually identical. Unless you allow for the most holy place being a pyramid, why would you think the new Jerusalem is a pyramid?

Mt. Zion was not literally pyramid shaped, since the city of David was constructed on it. I'm just curious, are there any identifiable God-constructed pyramids in the Bible?

Note also other feature of its construction:

"The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass."

"And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass."

Look back on 1 Kings:

"He overlaid it with pure gold ..."

""And the floor of the temple he overlaid with gold, both the inner and outer sanctuaries."

We also read about other parallels with Ezekiel's temple:

"And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb."

One is reminded of Jesus' words in John 4, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."

"He brought me out by way of the north gate, and led me around on the outside to the outer gateway that faces east; and there was water, running out on the right side. And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist. Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed." (Ezek. 47)

Edersheim comments on the priestly background of the writer of Revelation:

Indeed, the Apocalypse, as a whole, may be likened to the Temple services in its mingling of prophetic symbols with worship and praise. But it is specially remarkable, that the Temple-references with which the Book of Revelation abounds are generally to minutiae, which a writer who had not been as familiar with such details, as only personal contact and engagement with them could have rendered him, would scarcely have even noticed, certainly not employed as part of his imagery. They come in naturally, spontaneously, and so unexpectedly, that the reader is occasionally in danger of overlooking them altogether; and in language such as a professional man would employ, which would come to him from the previous exercise of his calling.

But it seems highly improbable that a book so full of liturgical allusions as the Book of Revelation—and these, many of them, not to great or important points, but to minutia —could have been written by any other than a priest, and one who had at one time been in actual service in the Temple itself, and thus become so intimately conversant with its details, that they came to him naturally, as part of the imagery he employed.

He also says about some of the details in Rev. 21, “Of the four distinctive articles in the high-priest’s dress, the breast-plate, alike from its square form and the twelve jewels on it, bearing the names of the tribes, suggest ‘the city four-square,’ whose ‘foundations’ are twelve precious stones (Rev 21:16, 19, 20).”

Given this understanding it seems far more likely that Rev. 21 has the temple as its backdrop rather than a pagan symbol like a pyramid.

These are obviously non-literal images depicting spiritual reality. The new Jerusalem is not really a physically construct literally a cube overlayed with gold and miles on a side. It merely represents the truth of our position in Christ based on His sacrifice for His people. The old covenant holy place was a type of the new Jerusalem. But we, the church, are the new Jerusalem.

70 posted on 10/05/2006 1:36:45 PM PDT by topcat54
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But just so much speculation.
If the most fundamental of relationship, marriage, will be radically changed in eternal state (Matt. 22:30), what make us think such mundane and time limited matters like the levitical priesthood would remain?

There's certainly no speculation that there will be roles fulfilled by glorified humans. Scripture is clear on this. For example, glorified Christians are to be "kings and priests" or "kingdom of priests"

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Now a kingdom of priests would seem to have priestly duties to fulfill, whatever those may be.

Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

There are just a couple. And as I said, it's well within the range of possiblity that there will be a role for the Levitical priesthood. That exact role is open for debate, but all glorified humans will have some type of role.

71 posted on 10/06/2006 7:31:43 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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There's certainly no speculation that there will be roles fulfilled by glorified humans

But nothing based on racial distinctions.

Buggman points to Jer. 33 as somehow endorsing this view, but it's interesting to alo read Isaiah 66:19-21 where we see God raising up "Levites" even from among the gentiles.

"'I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the Lord out of all nations, ... And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,' says the Lord."

Of course the fuller revelation of the NT makes it clear that we are all "kings and priests" in the household of faith regardless of our ethnic background.

72 posted on 10/06/2006 1:22:05 PM PDT by topcat54
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Of course the fuller revelation of the NT makes it clear that we are all "kings and priests" in the household of faith regardless of our ethnic background.

Amen. Who can read Hebrews and not understand that?

"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood...

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God...

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore." -- Hebrews 7:11-14;18-19;22-28


73 posted on 10/06/2006 1:44:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Amen. Who can read Hebrews and not understand that?

Was Hebrews a message sent to Greek Pagans
who had become believers in the Jewish Messiah
or was it a message to Jewish believers
who had accepted Y'shua as there Messiah ?

It is a question of context and direct audience.

It is a question of Hermeneutics.

b'shem Y'shua.
74 posted on 10/08/2006 10:43:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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Hi Xenia,

Sure enough, I just opened a Protestant Bible (NKJV) and it sure does say: "The Epistle to the HEBREWS". Just for kicks, I looked at all of Paul's letters and they all say, "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the ROMANS, CORINTHIANS (both 1 and 2), GALATIANS, etc". Very interesting.

75 posted on 10/08/2006 11:57:29 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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Was Hebrews a message sent to Greek Pagans who had become believers in the Jewish Messiah or was it a message to Jewish believers who had accepted Y'shua as there Messiah ?

Which makes the extent and manner of the renouncing of the old covenant shadows even more significant.

Some people wish to cling to certain aspects of the old covenant ceremonies without benefit of a human priesthood, but such a view is not authorized by God in His Scriptures.

For the church to hold to some of the Jewish ceremonies will result in the same sort of false syncretism in worship that the Jewish nation faced when they allowed certain of the Canaanites to remain in the land of promise.

"For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect." (Heb. 10:1)

76 posted on 10/08/2006 4:14:05 PM PDT by topcat54
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Some people wish to cling to certain aspects of the old covenant ceremonies without benefit of a human priesthood, but such a view is not authorized by God in His Scriptures.

This is GREAT news, TC! Since you have decided to limit your worship to that which is authorized by God, then can we expect you at services the Sabbath after next, after everyone gets back from the Feast?

The address is:
3100 South Crysler
Independence, MO

Bible study is at 2, Services at 3. I look forward to finally meeting you.

Chris

77 posted on 10/09/2006 4:21:30 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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Don't hold your breath, Hoss!


78 posted on 10/09/2006 4:44:45 PM PDT by Diego1618
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This is GREAT news, TC! Since you have decided to limit your worship to that which is authorized by God, then can we expect you at services the Sabbath after next, after everyone gets back from the Feast?

Except I read all the Bible, not just the old testament.

God nowhere in His word authorized the church (Jews and gentiles together) to worship on the old covenant last day sabbath, or with the shadows of the new moons and feast days of the Jews.

"Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

The apostle Paul brought the church together on the first day of the week to "break bread" (the Lord's Supper; 1 Cor. 10:16) and to hear the preaching of the word. IOW, to worship as the church.

You are left with the undeniable fact that nowhere do we find Christ's church (Jews and gentiles together) worshipping on the last day sabbath of the Jews. Nowhere, unless you have a verse or two hidden up your sleeve.

So, unless you worship on Sunday as the apostles did, I will stay home, thanks.

79 posted on 10/09/2006 5:22:49 PM PDT by topcat54
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Is this verse in your Bible, TC?

Act 13:44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord.
Act 13:45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming.
Act 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.
Act 13:47 "For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.'"
Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

80 posted on 10/09/2006 5:29:51 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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