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The Election: Catholic Voters and Issues
America - The National Catholic Weekly ^ | November 20, 2006

Posted on 11/10/2006 11:59:23 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Exit polls indicate that a majority of Catholics voted Democratic on Nov. 7, helping the party to take control of the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate. According to The New Republic, 52 percent of Catholics voted Democratic, compared with 47 percent who voted Republican. George W. Bush won the Catholic vote in 2004 by the same margin.

The shift in the Catholic vote was evident in Ohio, where the Democratic gubernatorial winner, Ted Strickland, scored a 20-point advantage among Catholics. Senate winner Sherrod Brown, also a Democrat, won the Catholic vote 54 percent to 46 percent, a 47-point turnaround from 2000, when Republican Mike DeWine landed the seat.

Also on Nov. 7, a proposal in Missouri to limit human cloning and embryonic stem-cell research was defeated. Missouri’s Catholic bishops had called for defeat of the measure, saying that “no human life, at any stage of its development, may ever be taken for the sake of someone else’s gain.” A proposal to ban abortion in South Dakota was also voted down.

In Arizona, voters approved proposals limiting state services to illegal immigrants and making English the state’s official language. Both measures were opposed by local bishops. Proposals that would have required parental notification before a minor’s abortion were defeated in Oregon and California, while voters in Wisconsin approved a referendum that could lead to reinstatement of the death penalty.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicvote; prolife

1 posted on 11/10/2006 11:59:24 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Catholics voting for the party of death. I wonder what percentage of those who voted Democrat are Hispanics.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 12:02:17 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: Alex Murphy

What America needs is spiritual revival more than political realignment.


3 posted on 11/10/2006 12:03:04 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
I wonder what percentage of those who voted Democrat are Hispanics.

Interesting that you should bring it up - there's a post-election poll out there (can't find it at the moment) that IIRC breaks down the Catholic vote in just this way. I'll dig it up and post a link to this thread.

4 posted on 11/10/2006 12:06:55 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

The source of this article is a leftist, liberal Catholic periodical. Take it with a grain of salt.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 12:14:54 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer; Alex Murphy
The source of this article is a leftist, liberal Catholic periodical. Take it with a grain of salt.

Yeah, but they haven't put any spin on the numbers. Other than the lack of examination of who the 'Catholic' voters are.

As one of the articles Alex posted a while back said in the title, Who gets to call themselves 'Catholic'?

In politics, that label doesn't mean a whole lot. John Kerry and Governor Granholm call themselves Catholic and they will never oppose abortion.

6 posted on 11/10/2006 1:20:45 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: siunevada; NYer
As one of the articles Alex posted a while back said in the title, Who gets to call themselves 'Catholic'?

While we three may have a great deal of common ground on political and moral issues (we do post on FR, after all), the Catholics on FR have to admit they are in the minority among their fellow Catholics (socially and politically) in America. Now IMO if the Catholic Church would enforce church disciple and excommunicate the functionally-apostate, self-labelled 'Catholics' who write this stuff, non-Catholics like myself might get a clearer picture of what Catholics (both laity and priests) actually believe (socially and politically), and IMO have a greater impact morally on the culture. The downside is that such actions might also mean the believing Catholic Church is a far smaller group than anyone would like to admit.

FWIW, you can swap out the word "Catholic" for just about any Protestant or Evangelical label you want, and I'd still be giving the same advice.

7 posted on 11/10/2006 1:39:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: NYer

A publication that ought to be suppressed.


8 posted on 11/10/2006 1:48:33 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: siunevada
The turning point came when Bernardin came up with his seamless garment mantra.That confuses the cause of life with that of capital punishment, and the bishops were quick to leap on this. It allowed them to support Democratic social causes even as the Democratic Party was becoming more and more secular.
9 posted on 11/10/2006 1:53:04 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Alex Murphy

"...the Catholics on FR have to admit they are in the minority among their fellow Catholics (socially and politically) in America."
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Unlikely.


10 posted on 11/10/2006 2:23:04 PM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: Alex Murphy
I am surprised at this, but maybe I shouldn't be. Didn't the dems make an effort to pretend to be Christians during this election cycle? Still, one would think they would know better than to vote for the party that is against everything they believe in.
11 posted on 11/10/2006 2:37:21 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: Alex Murphy
FWIW, you can swap out the word "Catholic" for just about any Protestant or Evangelical label you want, and I'd still be giving the same advice.

Spot on.

12 posted on 11/10/2006 2:39:26 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: wmfights
Me: "...the Catholics on FR have to admit they are in the minority among their fellow Catholics (socially and politically) in America."

wmfights: Unlikely.

Unlikely that they're in the minority, unlikely that they'd ever admit to being in the minority, or unlikely that some secretly voted Democrat this week? From the article:

Exit polls indicate that a majority of Catholics voted Democratic on Nov. 7, helping the party to take control of the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate.

13 posted on 11/10/2006 2:49:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
**Exit polls indicate that a majority of Catholics voted Democratic on Nov. 7, helping the party to take control of the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate. According to The New Republic, 52 percent of Catholics voted Democratic, compared with 47 percent who voted Republican. George W. Bush won the Catholic vote in 2004 by the same margin.**

Stunning figures after how Catholics went for Bush in 2004. I guess some of us didn't do the job! Very sad, in my opinion. Do you know how other denominations voted?

Links about Catholics and Bush:

President Bush: Shares Our Catholic Values

President Bush and John Kerry: On the Issues Important to Catholics

"Seismic" Catholic Shift to Bush [Insight ]

Catholics for Bush

Analyst cites abortion stance as some Catholic voters shift to Bush

Poll: Catholics Trending Towards Bush

Kerry Losing Ground Among White Catholics

Voting Our Conscience, Not Our Religion [Catholic Prof Says "Vote Kerry"]

Vatican: Kerry guilty of heresy; incurrs automatic excommunication

Should a Catholic Vote for Bush or Kerry?

Why is Bush getting the bishop's blessing?

Ambassador Ray Flynn in Cleveland 10/16/2004- "Vote 2004: The Catholic Factor"

John Kerry Flip-Flops on When to Use His Catholic Belief on Politics

Abortion is Turning Democrats Off to Kerry

Planned Parenthood Unveils TV Ads Backing John Kerry on Abortion

Spiritual Windsurfer [Kerry]

Kerry’s Auxiliary Bishops

The army of God marching for Bush

The Catholics for Bush website is now live!

America at the Crossroads

(Clinton Apointee Raymond)Flynn: Catholics must vote for culture of life

Priest: It's a sin to vote pro-choice

Some attempts to sabotage Catholic voters

Kerry's Catholic Supporters

Kerry Scolds Vatican Over Gay Marriage

Monsignor Jude O'Doherty and President Bush

Catholic bishops should beware of Kerry's 'respect'

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PRESIDENT BUSH WON CATHOLIC VOTE

Kerry Loses His Faith

Blame the Republicans? No, This Time It's the Christians

Faith Factor Proves Key in U.S. Elections

Election Reinforces U.S. Religious Divide

People of Faith Deliver the Election

Evangelicals Say They Led Charge For the GOP [GOTV effort = 79% Evangelical, 52% Catholic to Bush]

CHRISTIANS EAT LIONS IN 2004 ELECTION

Poll: Catholics Favored Bush Over Kerry

14 posted on 11/10/2006 2:59:23 PM PST by Salvation (With God all things are possible.;)
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To: Alex Murphy
The Catholics in my district were all for and voted for a catholic that supports partial birth abortion (Michael Arcuri (24th NY). The guy running against him (Ray Meier) was a Catholic who is 100% pro life. The Catholics did not care about the babies and most priests did not care.

The bishops are always telling us to fight abortion yet they dance with the pro aborts (ex. Al Smith Dinner). During this campaign, I kept seeing a film of a priest clapping for Hitlery at Canius college.

I am involved in the pro life cause but I feel that it is a waste of time. To be honest with you, most Catholics make me sick. A house divided against itself, cannot stand.

15 posted on 11/10/2006 5:29:11 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: Salvation
Salvation, if this is true, why do you suppose Catholics did this? Did they fall for the phony faith campaigns? The democrats announced this plan right after they lost in 2004! They should have realized this was only to get Christian votes and it wasn't real? How could they vote for the party of abortion?
16 posted on 11/10/2006 5:45:51 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: GinaLolaB

The Catholics did not care about the babies and most priests did not care.



I agree that there needs to be a lot more practical direction from the pulpit ,, the biggest problem is that the new priests are coming from seminaries that are 100% radical left ,,, they tend to keep the good candidates away just as many of us wouldn't try to be the round peg in the square hole in academia or reporting ... after we fix the heirarchy (before they ascend to higher levels than priest) we really need to be challenged to do whats right instead of church being somewhat of a social club .....


17 posted on 11/10/2006 6:35:02 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: GinaLolaB

I hope that if you continue in working for the pro-life cause, that you will upgrade your attitude and put even more effort into it rather than thinking it a waste of time. It also would probably really bring in postive results if you were positive about the Catholics you work with. Not giving up, not falling into discouragment, not getting "sick" of people will go a long way towards making your efforts bring about better results.

Keep the faith and it will keep you. I speak from experience.


18 posted on 11/10/2006 6:36:45 PM PST by Running On Empty
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To: Running On Empty

I have had a positive attitude for 15 years but I keep seeing priests and bishops catering to politicians that are for partial birth abortion while the same priests and bishops are telling us to go out and stand and protest in front of some disgusting abortuary.


19 posted on 11/10/2006 7:11:20 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB

If you see this, it may help for you to ask for an audience with them and tell them the truth. You can also consider letting them know that other people besides you may be observing this.

Try something that's upfront and positive.




20 posted on 11/10/2006 7:26:48 PM PST by Running On Empty
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To: ladyinred

It's hard to decipher the thinking of current day Catholics. My guess would be that they are really CINOs and decided to go liberal this time.

Let's pray that they all come back to their senses when the see the dimocrats (or the ACLU) blocking "God" in something new.


21 posted on 11/10/2006 9:34:55 PM PST by Salvation (With God all things are possible.;)
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The people at the Church I attend seem to be very Pro-Life. The two Priest are very vocal about not supporting abortion. But RCIA(which I am not saying is a reflection of the congregation) it seems that majority of sponsors and candidates are democrats. Every time the Team Leader uses politics/form of government(he doesn't go into specifics and says he doesn't want to) as examples some people will make quips about POTUS and Republicans. Also from perusing forums.catholic.com, I would say I get the impression that many Catholics are either Democrats or "Moderates". I had asked the question on a previous thread about the Church and Government Welfare/Charity and I haven't had enough time to sink my teeth into the replies I got. But I think many are Democrats, because they are also economically Socialists. There is also the false perception that Democrats/Liberals stand for and help the poor.
22 posted on 11/11/2006 4:53:31 AM PST by neb52
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To: Alex Murphy

"Unlikely that they're in the minority, unlikely that they'd ever admit to being in the minority,..."
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It's likely they are a minority of their church.


23 posted on 11/11/2006 7:55:25 AM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: Salvation

"The New Republic, 52 percent of Catholics voted Democratic, compared with 47 percent who voted Republican."
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I've seen it reported that 29% of Evangelicals voted Rat as opposed to 21% in 2004. I haven't seen how they have defined Evangelical, though.


24 posted on 11/11/2006 7:58:25 AM PST by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: Alex Murphy
You cannot take your Catholicism (or Christianity for that matter) seriously and be pro-choice at the same time. I don't care what anyone says, Catholics who support abortion care very little about Christ or His teachings.
25 posted on 11/11/2006 5:47:13 PM PST by bushinohio
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To: Salvation

I will join you in that prayer. I always counted on you Catholics at the polls! :-)


26 posted on 11/11/2006 6:15:51 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: Alex Murphy
the Catholics on FR have to admit they are in the minority among their fellow Catholics (socially and politically) in America. Now IMO if the Catholic Church would enforce church disciple and excommunicate the functionally-apostate, self-labelled 'Catholics' who write this stuff, non-Catholics like myself might get a clearer picture of what Catholics (both laity and priests) actually believe (socially and politically), and IMO have a greater impact morally on the culture. The downside is that such actions might also mean the believing Catholic Church is a far smaller group than anyone would like to admit.

Wow, I actually agree with you.

27 posted on 11/11/2006 8:15:02 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; Alex Murphy

It's possible that a lot of people will be surprised. Surprised that maybe there could be more faithful Catholics than it appears--surprised at the quality of those Catholics--surprised that there has been a sleeping giant awakened in those who may now seem to be lukewarm.

I am one who believes that there are very many Catholics going quietly about their lives and daily duties, who probably have never been on a Forum site like this one, are living lives "hidden in the heart of Christ in God" and when the time comes---"all that is hidden will be revealed".

I am full of hope and am prepared to be rejoicing.



28 posted on 11/11/2006 10:32:03 PM PST by Running On Empty
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To: Running On Empty
It's possible that a lot of people will be surprised. Surprised that maybe there could be more faithful Catholics than it appears

You can't be a faithful Catholic without it showing. If you live the Catholic faith you will stand out like a sore thumb. Chesterton once said in his unique humorous fashion, "You can tell a Catholic by the way he climbs a tree."

Index of Leading Catholic Indicators: The Church since Vatican II

29 posted on 11/13/2006 4:27:36 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: bushinohio
You cannot take your Catholicism (or Christianity for that matter) seriously and be pro-choice at the same time.

You cannot take your Catholicism seriously and fail to assist at Mass every Sunday ... yet it is said that only 1/3 of us manage to accomplish this very difficult (NOT!) feat.

30 posted on 11/13/2006 4:55:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: My2Cents; All
I wonder what percentage of those who voted Democrat are Hispanics.

I located the article I had mentioned earlier - only it breaks down the 2004 vote, not the current one. Hopefully this will be of some use:

The Catholic Vote 2004: “Religious” Voters Aren’t Always “Right”

An important division exists between white and minority Catholics, particularly Hispanic Catholics. While they are a swing group overall, white Catholics voted decidedly for George W. Bush in 2004, 56 percent to 43 percent, and Hispanic Catholics strongly supported John Kerry, voting 65 percent to 33 percent in his favor. In this year's exit poll, Hispanics made up 17 percent of Catholics, a jump of 4 percent from 2000. It will be interesting to see if this rift deepens over time as the makeup of the American Catholic church continues to change.

31 posted on 11/13/2006 7:16:35 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: murphE

I sure would hate to stand out like a sore thumb.
Isn't there a better way?
And I don't climb trees anymore, either, so that's out, too.


32 posted on 11/13/2006 7:30:45 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: Running On Empty
I sure would hate to stand out like a sore thumb. Isn't there a better way?

Nope, not in this day and age, not until The Kingship of Christ is recognized in all hearts and all nations and Christendom is restored. If you live a faithful Catholic life today you will not blend in with the crowd.

33 posted on 11/13/2006 7:39:07 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: GinaLolaB
I am involved in the pro life cause but I feel that it is a waste of time. To be honest with you, most Catholics make me sick.

Bishops and priests who do not adhere to the Church's teachings have contributed to this problem, and they sprouted like weeds on God's lawn. I trust that B16 will start a landscaping project to make the green grass crowd out the weeds.

Working towards God's will is never a waste of time. I'll add you to my prayer intentions that God will refill your cup and keep you filled with hope.

34 posted on 11/13/2006 8:58:15 AM PST by Patriotic1
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