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Latinos find a new spiritual home, Pentecostal and charismatic churches drawing Catholics away
Star Ledger ^ | 12.18.06 | JEFF DIAMANT

Posted on 12/19/2006 6:37:07 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Quix

ASBURY College . . . the revival site.


41 posted on 12/20/2006 8:37:14 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Amen, and dittos.


42 posted on 12/20/2006 8:37:29 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: GCC Catholic

No sweat. I can understand.

Am very blessed by your spirit and kind reply.

God's best to you and yours.


43 posted on 12/20/2006 8:37:51 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: redlocks322

Well put, imho.


44 posted on 12/20/2006 8:38:23 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: redgolum

True. True.


45 posted on 12/20/2006 8:38:48 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Bainbridge

Thanks.

Blessings to you and yours this CHRISTmas.


46 posted on 12/20/2006 8:40:29 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: GCC Catholic

A very gracious post.
Thank you for it.


47 posted on 12/20/2006 8:43:10 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: redgolum

I, also, am thrilled to study, serious theology, Biblical exegesis, and analytical history.
However, this cannot be what Christianity is truly about.
Otherwise, how would we "come as a child". The danger is the sin of Pride, I think you all call it taking over,as in all honesty, just how many are interested in or have the facility so to deal in these "lofty" areas.


48 posted on 12/20/2006 8:46:47 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Quix

Power of God. Gimme a break. Pentacostalism is nothing but empty emotionalism.

Even Protestants such as Hank Hanegraaf say Pentacostalism is heresy. Don't forget that Satan can appear as an Angel of Light and deceive the elect.

If it were up to me, the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church would be suppressed and anathematized.


49 posted on 12/20/2006 8:55:21 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre

Ascribing to satan what is treuly of Holy Spirit is Scripturally an exceedingly hazardous deed.

There's plenty of mostly emotionalism in AND OUT of the Charismatic Movement in all denominations in behalf of all kinds of errors and non-errors.

But the authentic is priceless and blessed.

It was not emotionalism that picked my friend's car up and sent her safely on down the road late at night when she came up over a hill on a semi-blocking the road with her at the high speed limit. The next moment she was on the other side of the wrecked semi, going on down the road between the deep cut in the hills.

It was not emotionalism that has dramatically healed a number of FREEPERS.

It was not emotionalism that laid a huge masculine hand on my shoulder at a despairing moment in my life--I thought it was a very tall church member named Bart. But no one was around for at least 25-30 feet when I turned around to speak to him.

It was not emotionalism that raised the praying Chinese wife and mother's husband from being dead 3 days beside the road--raised him back to healthy life. She had been preaching beside his body that Jesus was going to do that--and HE did.

There's a supervising Mexican preacher in Northern Mexico who will not even consider a candidate for ministry until that candidate has had several bona fide validated resurrections under his fledging ministry.

It was not emotionalism when my friend drove around for several weeks on empty when normally she couldn't go 5 blocks.

But the "routine" miracles common to the better Charismatic groups will pale in comparison to the "routine" that's not too far off.

GOD WILL ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES WILL BE SCATTERED. AND ALONG THE WAY, THE DARK WILL GET DARKER AND THE LIGHT LIGHTER.

GOD WILL NOT allow the enemy all the dramatic events, counterfeit junk.

GOD AND HIS MIRACLES WILL MAKE THE OLD TESTAMENT AND NEW TESTAMENT MIRACLES SEEM TAME BY COMPARISON TO WHAT IS AHEAD IN OUR ERA.


50 posted on 12/20/2006 9:12:32 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre

If it were up to me, the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church would be suppressed and anathematized.
= = =

Evidently The Pope knows something not everyone does.


51 posted on 12/20/2006 9:13:51 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: DogwoodSouth

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52 posted on 12/20/2006 9:22:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Quix

The pope's support of the Charismatic movement is NOT an act of the formal papal magisterium. Hence, Catholics are able to disagree with him there. The pope is NOT infallible when acting as a simple teacher, head of the Western Church, etc.

Well. Hopefully, the pope's successors will suppress the Charismatics the way Pope Benedict XIV suppressed the Jesuits in the 1770s.


53 posted on 12/20/2006 9:33:03 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Quix

There's plenty of mostly emotionalism in AND OUT of the Charismatic Movement in all denominations in behalf of all kinds of errors and non-errors.

>>Emotionalism. The thing about evil is that it disguises itself as good. Pentacostalism, as far as I am concerned, is a heresy, period.

>>Looking for miracles, etc., amounts to spiritual pride, and Satan can use that desire to decieve the unsuspecting.
I believe in miracles, but I heed the advice of the saints and eschew looking for them.


54 posted on 12/20/2006 9:42:15 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Quix
Except you come as little children, you shall in no wise enter the kingdom of Heaven. Little children are not into doctrine. They are into hugs and being close to DADDY. And DADDY Loves that.

So very true. Matt 22:36-40

All of the law and the prophets hang on the Great Commandment (paraphrased) to love God absolutely.

55 posted on 12/20/2006 10:21:24 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GCC Catholic

BTW . . . we Protestants don't have so much

pay, pray and OBEY . . .

it's pay, pray . . . occasionally . . . and do your own thing and ask God to bless it. And if the congregation you're in won't applaud your pride and used Kotex works of righteousness [As Scripture puts it], then it's relatively easy to find one that will.

Have always appreciated Roman believers in counseling. They tended to do what they were asked to do because they usually wanted to get better and had some respect for proper authority in such matters. And, they saw accordingly, improvement. Was refreshing.


56 posted on 12/20/2006 1:09:44 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Bainbridge

Very well put.


57 posted on 12/20/2006 1:10:50 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre

He won't. Unless he kowtow's to the puppet masters.

And, the Roman believers will undergo the same sorting and sifting all the other groups are currently and will inreasingly undergo.

Those with a genuine heart for God--all who truly seek God from their hearts . . . will be drawn closer to Him AND EQUIPPED TO ACT LIKE CHILDREN OF THE KING IN MORE DRAMATIC FASHION THAN EVER BEFORE IN HISTORY.

Those who are otherwise will fall by the wayside and/or be taken out of this life earlier than necessary else they fall away completely.

And those with hard hearts and haughty doctrinal perspectives will likely find their religious as well as personal sphere contracting geometrically.


58 posted on 12/20/2006 1:14:18 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Read redgolum's post#34


59 posted on 12/20/2006 1:14:45 PM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Joseph DeMaistre

SCRIPTURE SAYS:

THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THOSE THAT BELIEVE

And, when they are walking earnestly with God . . . that tends to be the case. Expectancy can tweak it up a bit. But God has made a commitment in that Scripture and He honors it almost regardless of the genuine loving servant involved.


60 posted on 12/20/2006 1:15:56 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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