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Progress: Benedict and Bartholomew to Meet Again
National Catholic Register ^ | December 24, 2006 | EDWARD PENTIN

Posted on 12/20/2006 7:56:17 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY — In what theologians are describing as a highly significant gesture, Pope Benedict XVI and the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople are considering a proposal to attend the next round of joint Catholic-Orthodox theological discussions in 2007.

According to sources at the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the two leaders are examining the possibility of personally opening the next session of the Catholic-Orthodox Joint International Theological Commission, expected to be held in Ravenna, Italy.

The panel of 60 experts has become the focus for improved Catholic-Orthodox relations after a successful meeting in Belgrade in September — the first time members of the commission had met in six years.

Metropolitan John Zizioulas of Pergamon, one of the Orthodox co-chairmen of the commission, said Dec. 7 that details had not yet been finalized but “there is a will on both sides.”

Metropolitan Zizioulas said the presence of the Pope and the ecumenical patriarch, who is regarded as the spiritual leader of the Orthodox Church, would be “very significant,” as it would demonstrate the significance both men attach to the dialogue.

Metropolitan Zizioulas said it would also give members of the commission “moral support” and offer the Holy Father and Patriarch Bartholomew “the opportunity to put some questions to us, which would be a very good thing.”

According to sources at the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the proposal was made by Bartholomew during Benedict’s recent visit to Istanbul. The Pope has reportedly approved it in principle and Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, is also thought to support the idea.

The joint commission was suspended for six years (2000-2006) after members failed to bridge the gap on key differences, particularly regarding the status of the Eastern  Catholic Churches that reached full communion with Rome in the 16th century.

Under Stalinist rule, these Churches suffered repression and their property and congregations were placed into the custody of the Orthodox Church. But after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Eastern-rite Catholics pressed forcefully for restitution of their churches and property.

In the ensuing disputes that arose, Catholics were accused of aggression and proselytizing among the Orthodox by leaders of the Orthodox Church, particularly Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexei II.

As well, the Orthodox have always regarded the formation of Eastern Catholic Churches, which they refer to as “Uniate Churches,” as a grave historical injustice that created a permanent wound in the Orthodox Church.

“The Unia has brought about new divisions, tearing the One Body of the Orthodox Church,” the Theological Commission of the Russian Orthodox Church declared in a 1997 statement. “The four centuries of its maintenance have revealed it as a dangerous form of proselytism against Orthodoxy.”

Despite the commission’s restart, the issue remains a point of contention.

As recently as Dec. 5, Patriarch Alexei renewed the accusation of “proselytism” and complained of what he described as the “extremely unfriendly policy” of the Catholic Church. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican’s Secretary of State, denied the allegations, saying that relations with the Russian Orthodox Church were “sufficiently good” and that visits and discussions were continuing.

Another contentious issue revolves around the exercise of papal authority and the nature of the Petrine ministry. Despite the suspension of the commission’s work, however, some significant advances have been made in this area thanks to a Catholic-Orthodox symposium in 2003 hosted by Cardinal Kasper.

The symposium noted a greater openness to a papal “ministry of unity” in today’s fragmented world. And some participants, most notably Metropolitan John, spoke favorably of a “universal primacy” that the Orthodox Churches could accept as long as it did not undermine the ecclesiological integrity of any local church.

Hopes have been raised of further progress on these sticking points due to Benedict’s high standing among Orthodox leaders. Despite their opposition to his decision earlier this year to drop the papal title of “Patriarch of the West,” many of them esteem him as a theologian.

They also note that, as a German, Benedict is without the historical baggage that hampered Pope John Paul II, as a Pole, in his dealings with the Russian Orthodox Church.

Vatican officials are cautiously optimistic about the dialogue.

“It’s always good to remember that it’s only been 40 years that the Churches have been open to each other,” said one official. “Not everything is going to be clear in a short time.”

The official acknowledged the “great gestures and signs” of the meeting between the Pope and Patriarch Bartholomew in Istanbul, but added, “We need time and patience, and they also with us — it’s reciprocal.”

Father Bernard Albertrauch, director of the Ostkirchliche Institut (Eastern Church Institute) in Regensburg, Germany, believes the presence of Benedict and Bartholomew would be an important gesture but not vital to furthering Catholic-Orthodox dialogue.

“We are essentially one Church already, we’re sister Churches — it’s not like relations with the Protestants,” he said.

After working on Catholic-Orthodox relations for 40 years, Father Albertrauch looks for incremental progress rather than dramatic breakthroughs.

“I don’t hope for anything special except to draw nearer and nearer towards a dialogue of life,” he said. “In the Church, things are not for television but for the heart, so we look more at a dialogue of life, of living together, facing the good and difficult things of life together, rather than placing too much significance on ‘spectacular’ meetings.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Orthodox Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; goc; orthodox; patriarch; pope; roc
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To: kosta50
Having seen the Tridentine High Mass, a lot of that reverence and frequent signs of the cross and kissing of the priest's right hand was still part of the reverence of the Latin Church that has been since lost in the post-Vatican II period.

Thank you, kosta, and may you have a blessed Christmas!

41 posted on 12/21/2006 4:07:58 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: kosta50

Amen my Brother. Merry Christmas to you & Yours!


42 posted on 12/21/2006 4:40:09 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("The Union, next to our liberty, most dear!" John C. Calhoun)
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To: kosta50
As to whether a Pope must be a Latin Rite bishop, ordianed Latin Rite priest, or anyone, I ask Catholic Freepers to clarify.

First off, the bishop must be a 'Cardinal' and under the age of 80 to vote in the Conclave. In the 2005 Papal Conclave, there were several 'Eastern Catholic' voting members (like Cardinal Husar) and others who have exceded the voting age and served as observers.

Ultimately, it is the Holy Spirit who chooses the successor of St. Peter. That is and has always been our faith. Pope Benedict XVI is an excellent example of this.

43 posted on 12/21/2006 8:32:48 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
I believe it used to be, but it was lost. Having seen the Tridentine High Mass, a lot of that reverence and frequent signs of the cross and kissing of the priest's right hand was still part of the reverence of the Latin Church that has been since lost in the post-Vatican II period.

Perhaps one has to dig deeper into RC history to find this but in my lifetime (which predates VCII), I don't recall any of what you mention.

In the Eastern Catholic Churches, the norm is for the priest to make profound bows before the Blessed Sacrament. Genuflection is a western (i.e. Latin) tradition. During the Pope's visit to Turkey, I watched the Patriarch's Divine Liturgy and felt quite comfortable (except for the distribution of communion), with the traditions exhibited. Like the Greek Orthodox Church, the Maronite Catholics use incense at every divine liturgy and also in the novenas celebrated. When the bishop comes to visit, those invited to proclaim the Readings do so only after they have asked for the Bishop's blessing and kissed his ring.

Again, I don't recall this in the RC Church as part of the Mass but perhaps I wasn't paying close enough attention.

44 posted on 12/21/2006 8:42:56 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer; Pyro7480
You may go back and check out the video you posted (I believe) of the Traditional Easter High Mass in 1944.
45 posted on 12/22/2006 6:26:37 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer

This is good news, but as I pointed out in my reaction to the joint communique released by Pope Benedect and Patriarch Bartholemew on the occasion of the Pope's visit to Constantinople, the joint statements coming from meetings in which the Slavic churches are involved always seem weightier and more like real progress toward union, even if they aren't so warm in tone.


46 posted on 12/22/2006 11:42:53 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Kolokotronis
... the fact that the EP and the Patriarch likely will jointly preside over a collection of Catholic and Orthodox theologians is "religious world" shaking.
Religious global warming : )
47 posted on 12/22/2006 1:21:45 PM PST by eastsider
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