Posted on 09/03/2007 12:11:33 PM PDT by concernedAmerican1
The American TFP’s America Needs Fatima campaign (ANF) is offering a special privilege to all those planning to lead public square rosaries on October 13. It will send a rose to Our Lady’s Fatima shrine in the name of each one on October 13..
America Needs Fatima offers this as a token of gratitude for the work these “rosary captains” are doing. “Our rosary captains are struggling to publicly honor Our Lady on October 13,” said ANF director Robert Ritchie, “so, I wanted to give them a present that would glorify Our Lady and grant them graces.”
The roses will be taken to the site of the 1917 apparitions. “Being that Our Lady’s Fatima apparitions are the most spectacular intervention of Our Lady in modern times,” said Mr. Ritchie, “I could not think of a better place to bring these roses to offer them symbolically to the Mother of God.”
To date, there are over 1,200 rosary captains across the nation. You, too, can have a rose offered in your name by signing up to lead a public rosary in your area. Join now while there is still time by clicking here.
I do wonder . . . to what degree you have seriously considered and seriously investigated the degree to which certain aspects of the RC edifice might be wholesale wrong.
Stop and think what a wonderful happening for our country -
especially now that we are so in need. Prayers to Our Lady,
the Blessed Mother of Christ, from across the nation. Each
group or even individual offering prayers asking her to intercede with her divine son, Jesus to help us - save us and
our great country.
Do you know of any son that’s worth his salt denying a
request of his mother? Remember the marriage feast at Cana
where she requested his help?
I will pray for you that you at least consider all aspect's of
all faiths. They can be very beautiful.
God bless.
THANKS BIG for your kind and thoughtful response.
I’m not aware of anything of the sort you hypothesize happening to me and me “blowing back” so to speak.
I have had, over the last 15 years or so an increasing awareness that . . . all kinds of RELIGIOUS
. . .
STUFF
. . .
just does not cut it. All the worse when it detracts from the dialogue, intensity, focus etc. on CHRIST. GOD HAS PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM . . . BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED.
The Marian distractions—at best—have become increasingly greveous to my spirit as I’ve observed the focus, energy, intensity etc. which people divert what should rightly be God’s to her.
I consider it a hideous and insideous seduction of the enemy to siphon off time, energy, focus, adoration etc. that should be CHRIST’S ALONE . . . to His mother. SHE, IF AWARE, MUST BE OUTRAGED AND AT LEAST GREATLY GRIEVED.
Christ did away with layers of priests etc. etc. etc. and an off limits Holy of Holies that we might come directly to Him and via Him even directly to ABBA, DADDY.
INSERTING MARY in the midst of that must really annoy the God-head at a minimum.
Prayer to Christ for our nation and by our nation is greatly needed—leave Mary out of it. She never inserted herself in such a role. Holy Spirit did not insert her. Christ did not insert her. The Father did not insert her.
Political folks for political ends did it. The magicsterical. I’m not impressed.
RELIGION IS DEADLY. RELIGION HAS ALWAYS BEEN DEADLY. RELIGION WILL BE DEADLY UNTIL GOD DOES AWAY WITH ALL SEMBLENCE OF IT.
HE IS AFTER RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OF US DIRECTLY.
Mary is a distrraction from that . . . AT BEST.
imho, of course.
I ate a potato chip that looked like Pope Benedict the other day. Beats your cloud formation by a mile.
The Fatima story is a bunch of baloney. Grow up.
Have you REALLY READ
ANYTHING
I’ve written?
Your comment is utterly off the wall and shows a rather shocking lack of knowledge about the poster and his efforts . . . that you’re responding to.
In fact, it says the opposite:
Blasphemous dogma, “sinless Mary”< detracts from the sinlessness of Christ, who ALONE was born of a virgin and immaculate. The Bible nowhere says Mary was sinless. It says “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). The only exception is the Lord Jesus Christ, who alone is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens” (Heb. 7:26). Mary knew her own sin and acknowledged her need of a Saviour (Luke 1:47). None of the Lord’s Apostles exalted Mary; none of them applied to her such titles as sinless, immaculate, ever-virgin, Mother of God, Blessed Virgin, Holy Queen, Queen of Heaven, Our Lady, Co-Redemptress, Immaculate Virgin, etc. The Apostles taught us that Jesus Christ ALONE is the Mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5). The Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine of Mary is blasphemous error. Mary cannot answer prayer. She cannot aid in man’s salvation. She cannot intercede with Christ in behalf of God’s people. She is not Queen of Heaven. The only Queen of Heaven mentioned in Scripture is an Old Testament idol (Jeremiah 44:18-19). Every prayer addressed to Mary is idolatry. If the Roman Catholic Church did not hold any false doctrine other than its dogmas pertaining to Mary, the Bible would require us to reject it as a false church on this basis alone.
When we look at the genealogy of Christ in Luke 3, which is the genealogy from Mary’s side, we see that God takes Mary’s genealogy all the way back to Adam which means she, like every human being, was a descendant of Adam which carries the sinful Adamic nature. Does the Bible bear this out? Let us see how many (pre-salvific) righteous people there are in the world.
(Rom 3:23 KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
ALL includes, Mary!
Notice the term which God uses in this verse, “all have sinned.” God is not saying some or a few or even the majority, He is definite in His usage of “ALL.” This means that Mary was part of that “all.” Below in 1 John 3:4 we see the biblical definition of sin which is the transgression of God’s law. There is no division of sin into either venial or mortal classifications but only one class and that is sin. (James 2:10 KJV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Since Mary was part of the human race at that time, she was guilty of sin as every other human being was.
(1 John 3:4 KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Since Mary was born before Jesus (obviously) we should also look for confirmation of the fact of universal sin and how everyone is affected by it, no matter who we are.
(1 Ki 8:46 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
Here we see this verse included in a passage of Scripture detailing Solomon’s dedication of the temple which puts this verse about 900 years before Mary’s birth. God is also detailing the fact that there is not one who does not sin.
(Psa 14:1-3 KJV) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. {2} The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. {3} They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
See also Psalm 53:1-3
Here we have Psalm 14 which is another OT proof that God’s assessment of all humans is the same, that there is none that does any good or no one which does not sin. The Bible has a uniformity on this matter doesn’t it?
(Psa 58:3-4 KJV) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. {4} Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
Here is a verse which details when human beings start to sin. It informs us that we begin to sin as soon as we are born. This means that Mary did not have an immaculate conception, rather, she was subject to the same sinful nature everyone else was and that right from the womb.
(Rom 3:10-20 KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: {11} There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. {12} They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. {13} Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: {14} Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: {15} Their feet are swift to shed blood: {16} Destruction and misery are in their ways: {17} And the way of peace have they not known: {18} There is no fear of God before their eyes. {19} Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. {20} Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Here is probably the most succinct description of the entire pre-salvific human being. God takes the quotes from Psalm 14 & 53 and brings it into the New Testament because He wants to show that just because we live on the New Testament side of the cross does not mean we are exempt from sin and its catastrophic effects. God re-emphasizes the fact of universal sin but also includes how heinous that sins makes a person in His sight and why salvation is needed so badly. People who think they are good in God’s sight are brought back to reality when they read this revealing passage. Mary too was part of this description of the human race since she was part of the human race.
(Gal 3:22 KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
We will take this verse as our final verse in this section showing that the entire human race was plunged into sin because of Adam’s sin. This verse does not reveal any exceptions to the universality of sin.
Mary Needed A Savior!
(Luke 1:47 KJV) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Here is an extremely revealing verse taken from her magnificat. If Mary was born without sin, then she would have been able to fulfill the demands of God’s holy law without the benefit of a substitutionary atonement. In essence, she would have no sin and therefore would be perfect before God. That is not what the Scriptures are teaching, they are telling us that Mary needed a Savior which means she was under the curse of sin with the rest of the world and had to be atoned for before she could even consider going to Heaven, never mind, carry the Lord Jesus from a Holy Spirit conception.
Mary is not a mediatrix!
(1 Tim 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Those in the Roman Catholic Church teach that Mary is a mediator between Jesus and us. This teaching is erroneous because the Bible teaches that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man. The Bible does not teach anywhere that the redeemed of God in Heaven have any intercessory authority or ministry for those still remaining on earth.
Mary Was not a Perpetual Virgin!
(Mark 6:1-3 KJV) And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. {2} And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? {3} Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
(Mat 13:54-56 KJV) And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? {55} Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? {56} And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Another teaching which the Roman Church teaches is that Mary remained a perpetual virgin. The Bible refutes this in the two passages which I have listed here. The Bible teaches that Jesus had brothers and sisters, and if Mary was the mother of Jesus, then these men and women named in these Scriptures were from the same woman, namely Mary. Notice how God specifically names Mary as their mother. The perpetual virginity of Mary is a fallacy which does not exist in history nor the Bible. If someone chooses to believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, they must do so in opposition of Scripture, a dangerous place to be.
Quix, if you want to deny what GOD states, rather clearly in the Bible, that is up to you. Just understand that others who are Christians, know and see what you post as blasphemy.
EXACTLY.
Call him ‘satan.’ HE is the master deceiver and manipulator.
When I see them honor Jesus in this way....
I believe it’s more of a satanic deception, Quix. Demons can make themselves look like the spirits of the dead.
With all due respect, what America really needs is Jesus.
HUH?
I honor JESUS DIRECTLY as the Bible states.
You can blaspheme Him all you want, but I will NEVER, EVER, deviate from giving HIM the honor, glory and prayers; NOT the dead sinner Mary. GEESH!
BTW, if you are the one that keeps writing back to honor the sinner Mary in this way ... Christ knows ME and my HEART so it will have NO EFFECT on HIM or me.
17 posts from Catholics, the rest from the usual mockers/detractors. Not surprising, but still sad. It all points to the truth about Catholicism. It is the one true faith.
“17 posts from Catholics, the rest from the usual mockers/detractors. Not surprising, but still sad. It all points to the truth about Catholicism. It is the one true faith.”
Unfortunately, this is part of what separates Catholics from Christians. Christians adhere to what the Bible teaches. Mary is just another sinner in need of Jesus for eternal life too. Many Bible verses are CLEAR on that. Praying to dead sinners, is not what God wants us to do.
Well, at least they can put their words in really really HUGE RED AND BLUE and BLACK PRINT with ellipses and lots of DOTS and misinterpretation.
All we can do is state the Truth that the Catholic Church is the Foundation.
I have to find a way to make my printing really HUGE and PURPLE with lots of SEMICOLONS and PERIODS and other stuff.
(I love purple! That’s the color of Antarctic ice along with Blue.)
Yeah, I Know, move along Opus, you aren’t helping.
When you start from that erroneous claim, it's not even worth arguing with you.
You, almost of all FREEPERS should have known that I wrote from the same side as you on all Marian stuff.
Sheesh. I didn’t think my writing was that obscure.
MarySecretary is ALSO on the same side as you and I regarding Marian stuff.
Is something in the water or air? Why the confusion?
Mary is NOT sinless.
Praying to Mary, another dead sinner is not Biblical and serves no purpose.
It is CHRIST that died for you; NOT MARY.
Mary needed Christ to die for her to take away her sin as well.
CHRIST paid the price, NOT MARY.
To honor Mary in this way - DISHONORS what CHRIST did for YOU on the cross.
All this Mary worship is another teaching that distinguishes you from Christianity. Praying TO Mary and worshiping Mary is not Christian - it is Catholic.
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