Posted on 02/28/2008 6:25:40 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL
In their lust for unity the Emergent Church and post-evangelical “Protestants” are right now embracing the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination. But the issue is simple: If, as taught the Church of Rome, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without “the new birth in baptism” then we are now in hopeless contradiction with the Gospel contained in Holy Scripture.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Speaking The Truth In Love
Let me make this as clear as I possibly can for the Roman Catholics who may read this work in Christ from Apprising Ministries. I personally am former member of the Church of Rome and care very deeply about those, such as the majority of my own family line, who are trapped in this apostate man-made system of religion known as Roman Catholicism. I also fully realize that what I say may sound “unloving” and possibly even “harsh.” However, there is just nothing that I can do about that. By not telling the Truth we aren’t doing anyone a service.
(Excerpt) Read more at apprising.org ...
Where is the ‘fantasy’? Calling me a liar is making it personal. You may retract that, or face the abuse button.
The article attacks not faith but doctrine.
The article indicates a failure to understand that the Catholic Church, finding it too forced and simple a distinction to portray soteriology adequately, does not buy into the faith/works dichotomy of the Reformation.
But the Catechism makes plain, though it provides too clipped an examination, that Baptism is not absolutely necessary to salvation. The writer of the article may have been a Catholic, but that's no guarantee that he knows what the RC Church teaches.
He knows. You ntold him. Certainly so have others. Jack Chick types make real money attacking “Romanism”. Follow the Money Mad Dawg, follow the money.
What a sweet threat.
Not looked on very favorably in these parts, BTW.
I called the perspective a fantasy. My construction on theological reality doesn’t allow a more positive description of the perspective responded to.
BTW, I suggest you hit the abuse button repeatedly. It’s a great way to make friends with the mods. LOL. Wellll, that’s not really true . . . but one can always try.
Luther would not have survived without the protection of his lord, Frederick. The Reformation in Germany was fostered by the German princes more for political than theological reasons, just as it was in England. In the end, Germany was left to his brother Ferdinand who was more accomdationist than Charles, and each prince was allowed to decide whether Lutheranism or Catholicism was to be the state religion. Individuals were left to decide whether to accept the official faith or to move to a state where theirs was professed. The most sincere, of course, moved.
BTW, I think any fair-minded observer would be inclined to notice . . . not my side . . . vis a vis fiercely personally assaultive language.
See 295!
Outstanding response. You won’t get a reply because they have none when challenged by facts, rather they close their ears and stick with the dis-proved concepts.
***What specific blessings are we missing out on?***
In baptism, being able to look back and seeing God’s promise being fulfilled in your life.
In the Supper, spiritual union with Christ.
So yes, there is grace in the Sacraments. Not salvic grace but grace upon grace, grace.
“IIRC that baptism must also only be performed by a member of that church.”
Nope.
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.[57] In case of necessity, any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he has the required intention. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes, and to apply the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.[58]
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/baptism.html
Great stuff there, if you really want to know what the Church teaches, as opposed to what Jack Chick types claim.
Amen. I am not catholic, however the only criteria to heaven is to repent, believe in Jesus as Messiah and be born again. He taught Baptism, and I believe the Catholics are in agreement with those things. God does not care about man’s theology, or his bickering.
I am amazed at how humans play God in deciding whose going to heaven and who’s not.
Yes, there are enough nutcases who have a whole other religion that rejects Jesus and embraces dead men, and wants to destroy Gods chosen people and Israel. Let’s focus on the real enemies.
Indeed. Hence:
December 7, 1539: Concluding that bigamy was better than divorce, Martin Luther and Philipp Melanchthon gave Philip of Hesse permission to marry a second wife.
Another Day of Infamy.
You are so wrong. Pilate tried to release Jesus to the Chief Priests of the Jews saying he found no fault in Jesus, and they cried “Crucify him”, and they wanted Barabbas released. In fact after several attempts he did as they wished. Jesus forgave them.
Reading the Bible might clear some things up for you. Luke has a clear account of what happened in chapter 23.
What will become of sinners if we do not first see that we are sinners and then pray for all sinners, "especially those most in need of [His] mercy"?
It's like The Big Rock Candy Mountain -- sweetness and ease and strength -- "The buzzing of the bees and the cigarette trees, the soda water fountains!" -- and all these angry and sorrowful ones who look at it and are repelled!
We have plenty to weep over and plenty for which to repent.
“We have plenty to weep over and plenty for which to repent.”
Hence Lent. Thank God.
Agreed, thank God for Lent and continual calls to conversion and repentance.
Well, going by the text of the Bible alone, I guess one can make the case that the polygamy attributed to the patriarchs was never condemned. Myself, I can barely manage one wife. ;-)
I am really OK with one wife as well. I shant research it, but Our Lord pretty clearly nixed the Old Law wrt divorce and polygamy in clear language, iirc.
You change the word worship but it still is, with some..
A rose is a rose.. even if you call it a carrot..
I know people that worship their cars..
Parsing words only fools the naive, or preconcieved..
You of course are wrong, some catholic priests worship their groins.. sad to say..
I know people that worship their church..
You might have missed the double insult to Jesus in the crucifixion..
Barabbas means trans literated.. "Son of the/a Father"..
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