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[Rick] Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders [lukewarm]
The Washington Times ^ | 2009-04-11

Posted on 04/10/2009 8:09:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Stance about-face at issue.

BY JULIA DUIN

Evangelical leaders say they are bewildered and stunned by the Rev. Rick Warren's apparent turnaround on gay marriage after the famous California pastor said earlier this week that he was not a proponent of California's Proposition 8.

Mr. Warren told CNN's Larry King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the proposition, which said marriage in the state could only involve one man and one woman. The measure won at the polls last November by a close margin, in effect negating an earlier California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages.

Proponents of the proposition had gathered from earlier comments that Mr. Warren stood with them on the issue, and they reacted vigorously to his CNN interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ca2008; churchoflaodicea; enemyofthebible; evangelicals; fakechristians; falseteacher; flipflop; heretic; homosexualagenda; laodiceanchurch; lukewarm; marriage; pastor; prop8; rickwarren; saddleback
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To: Arguendo
but there are plenty of legitimate reasons a Christian could oppose Prop 8.

Name one? Then back it up by the Scriptures.
41 posted on 04/10/2009 9:34:22 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Ol' Sparky; Finny

Hugh Hewitt is only marginally more credible than Michael Medved.
Hewitt threw a hissy fit the day that Tom Tancredo announced candidacy. I didn’t like Hewitt before, but that sealed it.
Does anyone remember that day on his show? He screamed, “no one cares about illegal immigration!”


42 posted on 04/10/2009 9:35:15 PM PDT by cybervyk
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To: Torahman

Amen


43 posted on 04/10/2009 9:36:02 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OafOfOffice
but then he says he can't be against gays because he has them as friends and they do so much for AIDS

Do so much for AIDS? Like what, spread it?
44 posted on 04/10/2009 9:37:16 PM PDT by cybervyk
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To: 444Flyer

Now, THAT is blasphemy!!!


45 posted on 04/10/2009 9:55:23 PM PDT by pankot
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not a Rick Warren fan, and I am a Bible-thumping believer, but I don’t want the government getting involved in marriage at all.


46 posted on 04/10/2009 9:59:26 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Travis McGee

You wrote “bottom.”


47 posted on 04/10/2009 10:00:30 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: rabscuttle385

I’ve never liked this guy - he’s a little too caught up in his own fame.
Purpose Driven Life - nice words, but only that if the author follows them himself.


48 posted on 04/10/2009 10:00:51 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: OneVike
Do not get me started on that heretical charlatan Joel Osteen. Every time some idiot posts something by him they close it to debate, any wonder?

If you want to debate Osteen, just post whatever you want as an "OPEN" Thread.

There's nothing stopping you.

49 posted on 04/10/2009 10:02:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: rabscuttle385

Rick Warren is just another Jim Bakker/Jimmy Swaggert-style whore.


50 posted on 04/10/2009 10:08:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: OneVike

You could argue that it’s not the government’s role to enforce morality (which is dubious but a more nuanced argument that resembles this can be made). More reasonable, you can argue that you don’t trust the government to enforce a morality you like, so you’d rather not push moral issues when you have a slim majority and set a precedent that could very easily swing the other way.

You could argue that the government should not even be in the business of issuing “marriage” and thus for political reasons oppose things that “strengthen” marriage as a legal institution.

There are probably any number of others I’m not thinking of. Opposing Prop 8 does not mean endorsing gay marriage or the homosexual lifestyle.

I’m not saying I subscribe to these arguments (as I stated, I supported Prob 8, though I think at this point it would be better if marriage were a religious institution, and the government’s primary involvement was in dealing with the contract involved), but they’re certainly not antithetical to Christianity.


51 posted on 04/10/2009 10:11:26 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: mkleesma

John Eldredge - Wild at Heart.
Now there’s a REAL purpose driven life.


52 posted on 04/10/2009 10:11:38 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: rabscuttle385

No surprise here. He has espoused a theology that is only an inch deep for years.


53 posted on 04/10/2009 10:14:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Arguendo

“Seriously. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, or many of those “seeker-oriented” churches, but can’t people show a little Christian grace? He’s not exactly a false prophet.”

He’s been a General in our war on Christianity and morality.

With this act, he’s basically halted fighting just long enough to run across the bloody battlefield to join the other side.

Here’s an article that posts his original statment of support for Prop 8:

http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3989&Itemid=53

What he has said twice this week is diametrically opposed to this.

No grace for heresy.


54 posted on 04/10/2009 10:19:19 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TruthHound

As I mentioned in post #51, it’s not heresy. There are legitimate reasons a Christian can oppose this policy even without supporting gay marriage.


55 posted on 04/10/2009 10:22:03 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo

Watch the video I linked.


56 posted on 04/10/2009 10:30:29 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: Arguendo

Jesus said “Let the dead bury their dead.” Apparently, Rick Warren has an overpowering need to be liked and accepted by a “dead” world that embraces and champions homosexual marriage.

Make no mistake about it. Homosexual marriage is a secular, trendy, humanistic-driven perversion of the natural order, an order designed and blessed by Almighty God from the beginning. There is nothing spiritually acceptable about homosexual marriage to the faithful believing Christian whatsoever.


57 posted on 04/10/2009 10:39:44 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: behzinlea

Of course not, but there’s no clear scriptural mandate that we legally ban it, or get the government involved in marriage at all. I think people are going overboard by calling him heretical or saying he’s sold his soul to the devil. Obviously he’s going PC, but that’s not quite on the same level.


58 posted on 04/10/2009 10:44:20 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: TruthHound

So he lied about his previous actions. Still not heresy, even if it is wrong.


59 posted on 04/10/2009 10:45:57 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo
The guy doesn't endorse Prop 8, and people are questioning whether he's gay

I didn't say he was gay. I just am wondering why a Christian would be against Prop 8. Address Warren's position without including me. Why would he be against Prop 8?

60 posted on 04/10/2009 11:53:37 PM PDT by Carling ("We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down," - Warwick Spooner)
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