Posted on 10/01/2009 6:29:50 AM PDT by NYer
Q: Our new next-door neighbors have a 14-month-old daughter. Theyre Catholics, but I just found out that they still havent had their daughter baptized yet! When our own children were born over 30 years ago, we had them baptized when they were just a couple of weeks old. Arent you required to have your children baptized quickly like that any more? Frances
A: The Churchs teaching on the necessity of baptism for salvation has not changed. Christ Himself, after His Resurrection, couldnt have spoken more clearly about the need for baptism, when He commanded the Apostles to go forth and baptize all nations (Matt. 28: 19-20). As the Catechism teaches, through baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God (CCC 1213 ). It is only logical that Catholic parents should want to have their newborn children baptized as soon as possible, to free them from original sin and make them members of the Church.
As we have seen in this space so many times before, canon law follows theology. So it isnt at all surprising to find that canon 867.1 states that parents are obliged to see that their infants are baptized within the first few weeks after birth. And the very next paragraph, canon 867.2 , adds that if the child is in danger of death, he is to be baptized immediately.
Thus it should be clear that waiting for months, or even years, to have ones child baptized is not only not in keeping with the Churchs theological teaching, it is also contrary to canon law. It is difficult to imagine a legitimate reason why Catholic parents, who truly believe in basic tenets of our faith like original sin and Gods grace, would fail to arrange for their children to be baptized as soon as possible.
Ironically, it may be that the wonderful medical advances of the last several decades have inadvertently led many Catholic parents to lose the traditional sense of urgency about having their newborn children baptized. For centuries, the Churchs teaching about the importance of baptism for salvation dovetailed neatly with the fear of many parents that their newborn might not live very long, and so both supernatural and natural reasons tended to push parents to have their children baptized as quickly as they could. If you have ever read the biography of a medieval saint, or if done genealogical research on your own family members in centuries past, you might very well have come across an instance where someone was baptized the day after his birth, or even sooner. In fact, it isnt necessary to dig so far back in the historical past to find examples of this: in 1927, Pope Benedict XVI himself was baptized the same day that he was born.
This practice was, of course, logically consistent with Catholic doctrine. Given the extraordinarily high rates of infant mortality in generations past, and the fear that an infant might die before original sin had been wiped from his soul, what Catholic parent wouldnt rush a newborn child to the parish church for baptism as soon as possible?
While there still is always some risk that a child may not survive, nowadays the fear that a newborn infant might not make it is hardly so great as before, especially here in the US. At the same time, baptisms have become big family/social events, when relatives fly into town and there is often a big family get-together after the ceremony. Of course there is nothing intrinsically wrong with this; in fact, we do well to maintain our awareness of the importance of such an event by celebrating the occasion. But unfortunately, the desire to have all the family present at a childs baptism can naturally lead to postponing the sacrament until everyone is able to make it. While parents are waiting for this or that relative to have a free weekend to travel, their new baby remains in original sin.
There are other factors which now sometimes lead parents to put off having their new child baptized. As we saw back in the June 21, 2007 column , it is standard practice these days in the US for parishes to require parents to attend an evening class (or series of classes) before their child is baptized. This is designed to ensure that the parents truly intend to raise their child in the Catholic faithan intention that must be present if the priest is to agree to perform the baptism (c. 868.1 n. 2 ). Occasionally I have heard parents complain that they cant have their new baby baptized until they attend this class, and that in their parish, the class is held only once a month. But in every single case, I have found that these complaining parents had made no effort whatsoever to inquire about the requirements for their infants baptism ahead of time. Since parents obviously are aware for months in advance that they will be having a baby, it is difficult to understand their failure to do this. Why not arrange to attend the class a month or two before the childs expected birth-date, so that it will be possible to have the baptism soon afterwards?
Many parishes do an excellent job of publicizing the need for all parents to attend the baptism class, and class dates are announced well in advance. Others could probably do a better job of instructing their parishioners about the obligation of all parents to have their children baptized soon after birth. I have personally seen a disturbing pattern in many Catholic Hispanic communities, where children are routinely baptized when they are apparently two or three years old, if not older! If their parents had fallen away from the faith, and just recently returned to the Church, this of course would be an entirely understandable explanation for the delay. But if these families are regularly practicing Catholics, it appears that the pastor and parish catechists would do well to remind parents more forcefully and more often that by delaying their childs baptism, they are leaving that child in original sin. If, God forbid, tragedy strikes and such a child suddenly dies, he leaves this world without the sacramental graces gained from baptismand by his parents choice.
Another, more abstract factor that may cause some new parents to wrongly conclude that there is no need to rush to baptize their child, is the fallout from the fairly recent theological statement from the Vatican concerning Limbo . In 2007, many media outlets wrongly declared that Pope Benedict XVI had done away with Limbo. Even the most sincere journalist could perhaps be forgiven for being confused about what the statement actually meant! In its 2000-year existence, the Catholic Church has never made a definitive, authoritative statement explaining exactly what happens to infants who died before being baptized. Since they themselves are completely innocent, it seems absurd to conclude that God damns them to hell; although no less a theologian than St. Augustine really did reach this conclusion 1600 years ago, it was, understandably, not a position subsequently embraced officially by the entire Church. At the same time, the Church teaches that baptism is necessary to enter Heaven, since we must first be wiped clean of original sin and made children of God before we can be with Him there. It is thus a quandary with which theologians long have had to grapple, and the conclusion that there must be some third place (dubbed Limbo) was reached as a result. In Limbo, they said, the souls of unbaptized children enjoy some degree of happiness, but they are deprived of the Beatific Vision of God because they are still in original sin. This is not a teaching that can be found anywhere in revelation; rather, it is a logical conclusion of the Churchs teaching on baptism.
In the mid-2000s, the International Theological Commission (ITC)a team of theologians chosen from all over the world by the Pope to serve together as a joint committee of expertswas tasked with studying the issue of what happens to infants who die without the grace of baptism. The issue was not merely a theoretical, academic one: questions have been raised repeatedly about the fate of those millions upon millions of children who are killed by abortion. And what about those embryos which are created through in-vitro fertilization, and later discarded in the lab as superfluous? The Church needed to examine the issue more closely.
In their reportwhich was approved by the Popethe ITC provided no magic answer to this difficult theological question. It reiterated traditional Catholic teaching when it asserted that the necessity of the sacrament of Baptism is proclaimed and professed as integral to the Christian faith understanding (66 ), and it did a beautiful job of tracing the historical development of the belief in Limbo, the existence of which is not a dogmatic definition (38 ). The ITC emphasized that there is no need for such a place necessarily to exist at all, since God can therefore give the grace of Baptism without the sacrament being conferred (82 ) if He so wishes. In other words, God is not bound by the sacraments; He can, if He so wishes, freely allow the soul of an unbaptized infant into His presence in Heaven. Thus the ITC stressed the need for hope and trust in the mercy of God, since the point of departure for considering the destiny of these children should be the salvific will of God (41 ).
This report could too easily be misinterpreted as saying that there is no need to baptize our children, since God will allow them into Heaven anyway. But the report definitely does not exonerate parents whose children die without baptism, when the parents have not made an effort to have the baby baptized promptly. Thus it cannot be used as an excuse for failing to have a newborn infant baptized as quickly as the parents reasonably can.
True, there are tragic situations where a newborn dies unexpectedly in the first few hours or days of his birth; if the parents had been planning to have him baptized soon, it is certainly difficult to fault them for not being fast enough! But it is a very different matter when a child of several months, or even years, dies without having been baptized, solely through the negligence of his parents. New parents need to keep in mindand to be remindedof the incredible spiritual responsibility they bear toward their newborn children, who must depend on their parents to ensure that they are relieved of the burden of original sin so that they may someday see God face to face.
I find people who put off having their child baptized are mostly guilty of ignorance. If they understood that by having their child receive the sacrament of Baptism as soon as possible, that child is spiritually reborn; giving this child's soul a new life of santifying grace by which he/she become children of God and heirs of heaven. This is so awesome - why would anyone wait?
Paul used circumcision as a “parallel”. Definition: having the same nature or tendency, analogous.
Just because he used the parallel does not mean he was excluding females. He was merely making a comparison between Old Covenant and New.
Whether baptized at childhood or adulthood is irrelevant. One has the ability to reject their faith once they become conscious of such issues.
How can having absolute faith in God saving babies at an infant baptism be seen as “works” but making a person “realize the message of Christ” and take that step to “surrender” themselves not be seen as a work? You make no sense to me. Whole households were baptized in the bible. Are you saying it’s not possible that babies or small children under the age of reason didn’t exist in these households?
The thief on the cross encountered Jesus face to face during His crucifixion. To give some acknowledgment that such a conversion is unusual wouldn't be unreasonable.
Then, of course, there are the rest of us.
He *said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 6:15-17
A person who rejects the Church's teaching isn't likely to follow it in this matter. But a Catholic is obligated to baptise the baby. It is a matter of spiritual care-taking.
It is the spiritual parallel to feeding, bathing, clothing, and loving the child. In fact, it is the expression of it.
Parents who don't see this are a bit more concerned about their own beliefs that either their child's or the Church's, and, frankly, they are either ignorant (for which charitable allowances can be made) or frighteningly self-centered.
Your argument is specious. The 12 year old child into devil worship, Goth and blasphemy would most like resist all attempts at baptism in any case.
And if that 12 year old is into those things, the parents carry the burden that they have not fruitfully provided a proper spiritual upbringing. However, prayful supplication could change that child’s behavior and open his heart.
St. Monica prayed unceasingly for her non-Christian husband and son - St. Augustine. Have you heard of him? Following his baptism he became a fiercely devoted Father of the Church.
In our situation, our second child was born, and dh had just started a job in another state. Every other weekend, he came home.
Seven months later, another job out of state. Training. Selling house, moving across the country. My father suffered a massive heart attack during the move. The next year was mostly about him, husband flying & hardly home. Again, packed up our apt., and moved into new home in PBC, FL.
This was 8-9 years ago, too, when it was being discovered that many Priests were sexually abusing minors in the Catholic Church. I was disgusted with what was happening even in my own Diocese.
That said, when I approached a Priest in PBC, I’d asked him about Baptizing my nearly 4 yo, and I was told I’d needed to attend classes. EVEN though, I’d done that with my firstborn, I was already a Godparent times 2, and I’d attended Catholic School & received every Sacrament available to me. The Priest was unsympathetic that dh was flying for an airline, in a Reserve unit in WPB, and working a third job as an instructor at My Gym to help pay our bills and continue to keep our older child attending Christian School.
The following year, we moved out of FL, and into the DFW area. The Priest at our nearest Catholic Church wouldn’t told us right away that he wouldn’t Baptize our then 6 yo. until we were Parishoners for at least 6 months. We needed to take classes, too. And to save our child from a group Baptism with tens of babies, my inquiry about having a Baptism performed privately was falling on deaf ears. Oh...plus both of our child’s Godparents were over 2k miles away. That too was an issue with the Priest.
SO, ffw to today. My child is now 11 and where am I to turn? I’ve been so disheartened with the RC Church over the past decade. My children have both attended only Christian Schools. Priests don’t appreciate that I’ve fallen away from what once was my anchor to the Lord. I’m tired of the hypocrisy.
Anyone here a Priest in the Dallas area, willing to work with us?
My Daughter baptized at Four Months, Nephew at Nine Months, and myself at Forty-Four. At least where I reside and live in New York the rules are not that rigid. I assume it differs from parish to parish.
Let me just ask you this then and we can end the debate:
1) Are you going to Heaven?
2) Why?
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Thank you for the ray of light in this otherwise cloudy thread. “Do this ceremony, apply that sacrament...Jesus? Who’s He?” You, my FRiend, have been saved by grace, through faith, and that not of yourself, it is a gift of God, not of works lest any of us boast. Eph. 2.
The truth of the Gospel, not of Catholicism. And it is interesting that no matter how much they protest around here, the Catholics on the street actually believe in salvation by works.
Observably clean, as opposed to muddy or mixed with Crystal Light. In the Bad Old Days, pretty much all water was dangerously polluted.
My great grandfather’s brother, Christian, had their firstborn son, Karl, baptized the same day of his birth, September 5, 1856. This according to the baptismal records of First Immanuel Lutheran, Chicago (which is still there, situated in the Chicago Circle Campus). This was two years after the family’s immigration from Germany.
Wrong. Faith AND works. Please don’t confuse your misconceptions about Catholics with facts.
1.) I certainly hope so!
2.) Salvation does not come directly from faith alone or works alone. It is directly from God’s GRACE alone. Not from man. We can only receive it and not reject it.
I baptize my babies as soon as I can so they can begin right away to receive God’s grace. As they grow, they go through the other Sacraments as their faith builds. The more Grace they receive, the stronger their faith AND works. It’s God given, not man made. It seems as if you are saying that unless man has faith(man made) God cannot give him graces. Seems a little backwards to me!
If we reject God’s graces then we risk losing salvation. Any opportunity for my child to have God’s graces poured onto him, I will surely let that happen.
Doctrine or no, I do not believe that someone else’s action, or lack thereof, can condemn your immortal soul.
BTTT!
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