Posted on 01/15/2010 9:44:27 PM PST by Quix
I think bogusname’s choice of scripture is to highlight that in the only instance of responding to a comparable assessment to a contemporary tragedy as what we have with Robertson (that I’m aware of off the top of my head, at least), Jesus did not come close to giving them the response they were looking for (”yeah, those guys really got what they deserved”...).
It’s exactly this kind of facile, simplistic way of interpreting events that is targeted in some of the parables...
True.
However,
Certainly Jesus did not say . . .
and those verses did not quote Him as saying
that
THAT FACT applied to all disasters in all situations.
I take those Scriptures as a caution not a law that applies in all cases.
Do you take them differently?
Thanks for your kind reply.
I haven’t checked the fault lines . . .
However, even if the fault lines crossed the border,
I’d NOT have been surprised to have seen the quake damage stop at the border.
I think this EXAMPLE was a . . . fairly precise one of God saying to the world—look at this island.
What the people and leaders have done with my priorities and laws
IS IMPORTANT.
At least, that’s my read on it all.
Thanks for your kind words, BTW.
Wish I could take credit for the IQ.
Entirely God’s doing . . . as was all His careful training and conditioning and educating through umpteen long dark nights of the soul etc.
Has been all I could do to even partially keep up most of the time.
LOL.
Bless you and yours this New Year.
Certainly Christ sliced katty wumpus across Pharisaical constructions on reality time after time.
I think one has toa be cautious in applying that record about the PHARISEES’ CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY
to ALL REALITY.
I do not believe Pat Robertson was operating in a Pharisee type of attitude at all. He has all the compassion in the world for the Haitians as his Operation Blessing’s outreach to them over the last year has well documented.
I believe Pat did tap into the heart of God regarding the satan worship and child sacrifice so horrifically real in Haiti.
“Do you take them differently?”
Nah, I was just adding my two cents in my usual untimely manner. Sorry
Nothing to be sorry about.
It’s a fitting and timely caution worth expressing.
I just don’t think it defines all reality.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Highly interesting if it is true that the more wicked part of Haiti has been seeing more natural disasters and that this doesn’t have some more prosaic explanation (such as worse construction under a faulty government, or geography). We could well look at home: San Freaksicko sits on a fault line and yet it has lucked out... so far.
BTW this doesn’t have much to do with Haiti, but some random poking around Wikipedia earlier today located an entry for “Abracadabra” which is purported to come from Kabbalistic numerology, a corruption of the Hebrew “arba echad arba” or 4 1 4. In the second century, an amulet containing “Abracadabra” reduced by one letter on succeeding lines was consider to ward off evil. Four having a mystical connotation of the divine and nine having a mystical connotation of evil. It didn’t say what the one is for. None of this matches with the numeric symbology of Revelation so it might just be “old wives tales.” Anyhow, 414 is the area code of a large part of the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area. Take that as you will.
You are absolutely right, you know - The term “judge not lest ye be judged” has been utterly misconstrued to mean “understand not lest ye understand”.
No doubt there will be those who dissent with what is plainly on the page, and will argue that God is nothing but love... which is true, but that doesn’t mean that there is not retribution. And that doesn’t mean that God will not be true to His Word.
There are some things so awful in Man, that the very land will spit you out - And if a nation cannot see those things being purged from another country, how will that nation see those things in itself?
This is just the beginning of sorrows. Those who refuse to see will have a very hard time ahead. Millions WILL perish. It is written. Jehovah will judge the nations.
Robertson is exactly right - and with precisely the right tone. His was not a judgment against individual persons, but a judgment against a nation. And he made it while helping greatly to pick up the pieces in the aftermath... That is his judgment upon individuals.
Great OP.
Have a good day.
1 Corinthians 6 1-4And how dare you take each other to court! When you think you have been wronged, does it make any sense to go before a court that knows nothing of God's ways instead of a family of Christians?
If the USA rule of law is more "righteous" than a pharisaic "christian" religious institutions rules, is it OK to use the Courts? Paul seemed to do this when he appealed to Caesar.
A Christian Psych Association Conventioni was once held in Oakland. I remember how hard it was to find a church to worship in on Sunday.
The enemy has succeeded far more than any of our better Founding Fathers would have had a nightmare about—in seducing folks into believing that the pleasures of a moment are the best life has to offer . . . and that there is no death or that death is just a transition to different fun and games a la the “New Age.”
The wake-up will be severe and Scripture indicates that even than many will just curse God and die. Boggles the mind.
Certainly these are but the BEGINNING of sorrows. I think few even awake and prepared Christians have much of an understanding of the severity ahead.
Scripture really means it when God says therein—WORSE THAN EVER HAS BEEN; WORSE THAN EVER WILL BE AGAIN.
The Grapes of Wrath [movie] will look like a delightful picnic by comparison.
Anything particularly ugly going on there or based there?
I do know that 999 is seen as having the same evil meaning as the upside down of it.
Laz, what’s with 414 . . . and Milwaukee? Any info on those?
4 in Chinese is not a good sound . . . sounds like the word for death.
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I'm assuming that you mean that Haiti is the more wicked part of the island with the DR being the less wicked. There is slavery existing today in the DR, I've seen it. The Slaves are Haitians.
The DR is doing substantially better in large part because of the fortunes made by Dominicans in the cocaine business here in the US. These drugs have destroyed millions of lives and families over the past thirty years but have made thousands of Dominicans wealthy beyond our comprehension.
Crime is so rampant in the DR that our State Department warns tourists against leaving resort areas during the day as well as after dark.
Oh, santeria is not nearly as common in the DR as voodoo is in Haiti but it is deeply ingrained. They are two sides of the same animist coin.
Well put.
THanks for your kind reply.
God spent enormous energy illustrating what Holy was in the Old Testament.
Folks sometimes seem to believe and act like the NT watered that down with Christ’s GRACE and Mercy triumphing over judgment etc.
Actually, Christ’s standard was tougher. Love your enemies. Do good to those who use [and abuse] you. Love others as yourself to the max. Love wives as Christ loved the Church. Obey the Spirit of the law. Give your coat also to someone who requests your sweater. Give to him who asks. Avoid expecting back from him who borrows.
The Sermon on The Mount set a new standard.
We have rationalized it away as a lofty nice speech to recite parts of at memorable occasions. Christ wasn’t just talking to hear the wind blow.
Those who earnestly attempt by His Blood, Grace and Spirit to live out the Sermon on The Mount’s standards will find new empowerment and authority in these END TIMES that will be unprecedented compared to all of history—including Moses’ era.
God is making leaders to rule and reign with Christ eternally. This boot camp is not just to give us spiritual muscles to preen and prance before mirrors and throngs with.
This Graduation era will be a most dramatic set of Graduation ceremonies.
God will be illustrating for all Creation the consequence of choosing HIM vs the consequences of choosing anyone or anything less than HIM.
The globalists believe the critters even though they know that the critters constantly lie to them. Amazing. They think they’ll snooker God Almighty as though HE were merely another critter.
These managers of the GREAT END TIMES DECEPTION will learn far too late that they have been the most deceived.
I wonder where the San Francisco based “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” will be excessing when the quake hits. How grand will their absurdities and costumes be then?
God have mercy on all who have any heart to know Him at all.
May He lead them to Him through whatever it takes.
Prayers for likewise for you.
Interesting points and question.
1. Paul was already “in the system” by no action of his own in terms of appealing to the system or choosing to be a participant in the system. He was hauled into the system for doing God’s work.
2. It was more of a Peter “Who would you have us obey—God or man?” kind of situation.
3. It is clear that God intended to get Paul to Ceasar and Rome for God’s purposes.
4. In terms of the courts in our era. No—do not use them between Christians. They are getting worse and worse headed by satanic globalists sitting in far more judges chairs.
5. I believe that MORE OFTEN THAN NOT—probably always or close to it—God would have the authentic Christians suffer loss rather than take each other to a pagan court system.
6. Instead, FIND WHATEVER HUMBLE WISE CHRISTIANS ARE IN THE AREA AND SUBMIT TO THAT CHRISTIAN’S OR A GROUP OF THEM’S JUDGMENT in the matter. God would bless that. He’s not very happy to bless taking each other to a pagan court.
7. Step-Dad has said all my life—GOD IS OUR PAYMASTER. GOD SAYS—HE WOULD THAT WE PROSPER AND BE IN HEALTH EVEN AS OUR SOUL PROSPERS. HE MEANT IT THEN; HE MEANS IT NOW. When we take care of the majors with His help, He takes care of minor things like wealth and property.
8. Take such matters to a humble lower status wise old discerning Spirit-filled Christian in the area. Give the atny’s fees to missions. Then see God bless. If the other believer won’t do that—suffer loss and wait on God to repay. I can’t read the related Scriptures any other way.
9. I’m not arguing that the RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS are always more inherently righteous than the pagan court system. They are NOT. I’m not even talking about such RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS. I’m talking about finding Believers who are wise, mature, experienced, humble, Spirit-led as individuals—submit the matter to them.
An alternative is trained mediators who are Christians.
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