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TIME names "New Calvinism" 3rd Most Powerful Idea Changing the World
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| March 12, 2009
| David Van Biema
Posted on 02/28/2010 8:30:39 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Forest Keeper
Free will ≠ Chance.
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posted on
03/12/2010 8:58:48 PM PST
by
Tramonto
(Live Free or Die)
To: spirited irish
This means that from the beginning, there have always been two general categories of men: those who willingly seek Truth, to which they will submit, and those who willfully choose not to, for they elevate autonomous self above all. These two categories can be further characterized like this: Those who seek the living, personal Creator and those who feel more comfortable speaking of impersonal, irrational energies, forces, and spirit/soul.
So very true. Thank you so much for your wonderful insights, dear sister in Christ!
To: the_conscience
Yes, you're playing twenty questions ... and Adam was not holy by his own nature. If God chooses to see you as holy in His sight, it is because His nature--which IS Holy--has been imparted to you because what Jesus did for you and for me.
Holy is a state of being which when God created Adam He did not create Adam holy else Adam would not have sinned. In the act of sinning/disobeying God, Adam proved he was not holy and had not been holy. Got it?
1,063
posted on
03/12/2010 9:05:02 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
To: the_conscience; MHGinTN
Im not playing a game nor am I looking for an opportunity to jump anyone. Im merely using a Socratic method to work through the logic to see what results from our investigation. The Socratic Method starts with the statement of a premise followed by questions to determine the validity of the premise. You have asserted no premise, and your questions about holiness and righteousness are completely irrelevant to the discussion that was going on before. Basically you just changed the subject. That is not a Socratic method. Changing the subject is just a way to avoid answering pointed questions.
1,064
posted on
03/12/2010 9:08:42 PM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
To: P-Marlowe; the_conscience; blue-duncan; xzins
Colloquially the word "fate" is taken to mean some controlling factor which does not necessitate a sovereign, divine Creator, but a fortuitous alignment of the stars.
Camus said that "there is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn." That's not the Triune God; that's unfortunate happenstance.
A better word than fate or destiny would be Providence which implies the sure and steady hand of the Creator.
Fatalism implies the inevitable downward tug of gravity. Christian predestination means God is in control and that's always a good thing to acknowledge.
Logically, it can be no other way, if God exists. From the moment of creation, God knew everything that would happen because He ordained everything that would happen. And if He had wanted something else to happen, it would have happened differently. But what happens is exactly what God wants to happen at the moment it is happening.
1,065
posted on
03/12/2010 9:09:52 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Quix
Could be. It's a very funny joke.
To: P-Marlowe
It does indeed answer the question. Thank you for all of your insights, dear brother in Christ!
To: Tramonto; Forest Keeper
Free will ≠ Chance. Is your name written in the Book of Life?
If so, when did God write it in there?
If it is written there, then what are the odds that you will make a Free will decision to reject Christ and die in your sins?
1,068
posted on
03/12/2010 9:19:50 PM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
To: Quix
In my experience, pseudo-super-rationalists tend to be chronically, bone-marrowly angry at the God they deny the existence of
I have noticed that, too. It strikes me as irrational for someone to be angry at One he swears doesn't exist. Thank you for all of your insights, dear brother in Christ!
To: Tramonto; Forest Keeper; P-Marlowe; the_conscience
Free will ≠ Chance.Free will ≠
1,070
posted on
03/12/2010 9:26:50 PM PST
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Godzilla
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear Godzilla!
To: Alamo-Girl
You’ve just described Christopher Hitchens and a rather well known Physicist.
1,072
posted on
03/12/2010 9:27:23 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
To: Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej
Didn’t dr stevej write a song about free will?
1,073
posted on
03/12/2010 9:30:37 PM PST
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
To: MHGinTN
Thank you for your insights, dear brother in Christ!
To: Joya
Ping to joke about ducks in Heaven
1,075
posted on
03/12/2010 9:34:36 PM PST
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: blue-duncan; Quix
Oh, funny. Thanks for the laugh.
1,076
posted on
03/12/2010 9:35:54 PM PST
by
Joya
(Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
To: Alamo-Girl
INDEED.
Thanks for your kind reply.
1,077
posted on
03/12/2010 9:36:08 PM PST
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for your insights and those beautiful Scriptures, dear sister in Christ!
To: P-Marlowe
"Every one knows they are sinners whether they are saved or not."
I don't think so. Obviously you haven't read all the posts on this thread. I think there are posters who would not recognize the idea that they are sinners. I suspect most of the world thinks that their own good works outweigh any bad deeds they have done, if they are even willing to admit to themselves that they have actually done any bad deeds.
Why do you think people rationalize their sin by comparing themselves to others or saying they do more good than bad? Its because they recognize that they are sinners so they try to make excuses so they don't have to change. If people weren't aware of sin, they wouldn't even think about good works vs bad.
Lord, take this cursed free will from me! Mold my will to Yours. Enslave my will to Your will, Oh Lord and let the old things pass away so that all things become new!
Can you say that prayer?
I have prayed that prayer but to be honest, it scares me because I know that God will answer it. I may be a bit immature in my faith. This discussion is a bit tedious though. I think we agree about quite a bit but I am not going to become a Calvinist and I don't think I will change your mind. In the end, it doesn't matter that much. We both believe that we are saved through faith because Jesus loved us enough to pay the penalty for our sins.
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posted on
03/12/2010 9:38:42 PM PST
by
Tramonto
(Live Free or Die)
To: P-Marlowe; MHGinTN; Dr. Eckleburg
P-Marlowe: Obviously the premise revolves around God's interaction with his creation. Asking questions about the Biblical data as it concerns this interaction helps expose how the logic will follow.
MHGinTN wrote:
Holy is a state of being which when God created Adam He did not create Adam holy else Adam would not have sinned.
God said he created Adam very good and in his image. Isn't being righteous and holy acting according to God's commands? God is righteous and holy because he acts according to his own standard. So Adam having never sinned since his creation up until the time he sinned must have been righteous and holy before he sinned. In fact, Paul talks about renewing the image of God as being righteous and holy.
put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
So clearly being renewed is returning to our original condition in Adam which is righteousness and holiness.
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posted on
03/12/2010 9:42:43 PM PST
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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