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ATONEMENT OF JESUS CHRIST - Mormon- (OPEN)
lightplanet.com ^ | Jeffrey R. Holland

Posted on 03/01/2010 5:56:02 PM PST by greyfoxx39

 

Atonement of Jesus Christ

by Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland

The Atonement of Jesus Christ is the foreordained but voluntary act of the Only Begotten Son of God. He offered his life, including his innocent body, blood, and spiritual anguish as a redeeming ransom (1) for the effect of the Fall of Adam upon all mankind and (2) for the personal sins of all who repent, from Adam to the end of the world. Latter-day Saints believe this is the central fact, the crucial foundation, the chief doctrine, and the greatest expression of divine love in the Plan of Salvation. The Prophet Joseph Smith declared that all "things which pertain to our religion are only appendages" to the Atonement of Christ (TPJS, p. 121).

The literal meaning of the word "Atonement" is self-evident: at-one-ment, the act of unifying or bringing together what has been separated and estranged. The Atonement of Jesus Christ was indispensable because of the separating transgression, or fall, of Adam, which brought death into the world when Adam and Eve partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:9; 3:1-24). Latter-day Saints readily acknowledge both the physical and the spiritual death that Adam and Eve brought upon themselves and all of their posterity, physical death bringing the temporary separation of the spirit from the body, and spiritual death bringing the estrangement of both the spirit and the body from God. But they also believe that the Fall was part of a divine, foreordained plan without which mortal children would not have been born to Adam and Eve. Had not these first parents freely chosen to leave the Garden of Eden via their transgression, there would have been on this earth no human family to experience opposition and growth, moral agency and choice, and the joy of resurrection, redemption, and eternal life (2 Ne. 2:23; Moses 5:11).

The need for a future Atonement was explained in a premortal Council in Heaven at which the spirits of the entire human family were in attendance and over which God the Father presided. The two principal associates of God in that council were the premortal Jesus (also known as Jehovah; see Jesus Christ, Jehovah) and the premortal Adam (also known as Michael). It was in this premortal setting that Christ voluntarily entered into a covenant with the Father, agreeing to enhance the moral agency of humankind even as he atoned for their sins, and he returned to the Father all honor and glory for such selflessness. This preordained role of Christ as mediator explains why the book of Revelation describes Christ as "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8) and why Old Testament prophets, priests, and kings, including Moses (Deut. 18:15, 17-19), Job (19:25-27), the Psalmist (Ps. 2, 22), Zechariah (9:9; 12:10; 13:6), Isaiah (7:14; 9:6-7; 53), and Micah (5:2), could speak of the Messiah and his divine role many centuries before his physical birth. A Book of Mormon prophet wrote, "I say unto you that none of the prophets have written, nor prophesied, save they have spoken concerning this Christ" (Jacob 4:4; 7:11). To the brother of Jared who lived some two thousand years before the Redeemer's birth, the premortal Christ declared, "Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people" (Ether 3:14). Such scriptural foreshadowings are reflected in the conversation Christ had with two of his disciples on the road to Emmaus: "Beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself" (Luke 24:27; cf. also 24:44).

For Latter-day Saints, it is crucially important to see the agreed-upon and understood fall of man only in the context of the equally agreed-upon and understood redemption of man—redemption provided through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Thus, one of the most important and oft-quoted lines of Latter-day Saint scripture says, "Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall" (2 Ne. 2:25-26).

LDS scripture teaches that the mission of Christ as Redeemer and the commandment to offer animal sacrifice as an anticipatory reminder and symbol of that divine Atonement to come were first taught to Adam and Eve soon after they had been expelled from the Garden of Eden (Moses 5:4-8). The Atonement of Christ was taught to the parents of the family of man with the intent that they and their posterity would observe the sacrificial ordinances down through their generations, remembering as they did so the mission and mercy of Christ who was to come. Latter-day Saints emphatically teach that the extent of this Atonement is universal, opening the way for the redemption of all mankind—non-Christians as well as Christians, the godless as well as the god-fearing, the untaught infant as well as the fully converted and knowledgeable adult. "It is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice," said Amulek in the Book of Mormon, "an infinite and eternal sacrifice…. There can be nothing which is short of an infinite Atonement which will suffice for the sins of the world" (Alma 34:10, 12).

This infinite Atonement of Christ—and of Christ only—was possible because (1) he was the only sinless man ever to live on this earth and therefore was not subject to the spiritual death that comes as a result of sin; (2) he was the Only Begotten of the Father and therefore possessed the attributes of Godhood, which gave him power over physical death (see 2 Ne. 9:5-9; Alma 34:9-12); and (3) he was the only one sufficiently humble and willing in the premortal council to be foreordained there to that service (JC, pp. 21-62).

The universal, infinite, and unconditional aspects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ are several. They include his ransom for Adam's original transgression so that no member of the human family is held responsible for that sin (A of F 2; see Original Sin). Another universal gift is the resurrection from the dead of every man, woman, and child who lives, has ever lived, or ever will live, on the earth. Thus, the Atonement is not only universal in the sense that it saves the entire human family from physical death, but it is also infinite in the sense that its impact and efficacy in making redemption possible for all reach back in one direction to the beginning of time and forward in the other direction throughout all eternity. In short, the Atonement has universal, infinite, and unconditional consequences for all mankind throughout the duration of all eternity.

Emphasizing these unconditional gifts arising out of Christ's atoning sacrifice, Latter-day Saints believe that other aspects of Christ's gift are conditional upon obedience and diligence in keeping God's commandments. For example, while members of the human family are freely and universally given a reprieve from Adam's sin through no effort or action of their own, they are not freely and universally given a reprieve of their own sins unless they pledge faith in Christ, repent of those sins, are baptized in his name, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and confirmation into Christ's church, and press forward with a brightness of hope and faithful endurance for the remainder of life's journey. Of this personal challenge, Christ said, "For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink" (D&C 19:16-18).

Furthermore, although the breaking of the bonds of mortal death by the resurrection of the body is a free and universal gift from Christ, a product of his victory over death and the grave, the kind or nature of the body (or "degree of glory" of the body), as well as the time of one's resurrection, is affected very directly by the extent of one's faithfulness in this life (see Degrees of Glory). The apostle Paul made clear, for example, that those most fully committed to Christ will "rise first" in the resurrection (1 Thes. 4:16). Paul also speaks of different orders of resurrected bodies (1 Cor. 15:40). The bodies of the highest orders or degrees of glory in the resurrection are promised to those who faithfully adhere to the principles and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ; they will not only enjoy immortality (a universal gift to everyone) but also eternal lives in the Celestial Kingdom of glory (D&C 88:4; 132:24; see also Resurrection).

Latter-day Saints stress that neither the unconditional nor the conditional blessings of the Atonement would be available to mankind except through the grace and goodness of Christ. Obviously the unconditional blessings of the Atonement are unearned, but the conditional ones are also not fully merited. By living faithfully and keeping the commandments of God, one can receive additional privileges; but they are still given freely, not fully earned. They are always and ever a product of God's grace. Latter-day Saint scripture is emphatic in its declaration that "there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah" (2 Ne. 2:8).

The Church is also emphatic about the salvation of little children, the mentally impaired, those who lived without ever hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ, and so forth: these are redeemed by the universal power of the Atonement of Christ and will have the opportunity to receive the fulness of the gospel in the spirit world (see Salvation for the Dead).

To meet the demands of the Atonement, the sinless Christ went first into the Garden of Gethsemane, there to bear the spiritual agony of soul only he could bear. He "began to be sorrowful and very heavy," saying to his three chief disciples, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, unto death" (Mark 14:34). Leaving them to keep watch, he went further into the garden, where he would suffer "the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam" (2 Ne. 9:21). There he "struggled and groaned under a burden such as no other being who has lived on earth might even conceive as possible" (JC, p. 613).

Christ's Atonement satisfied the demands of justice and thereby ransomed and redeemed the souls of all men, women, and children "that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities" (Alma 7:12). Thus, Latter-day Saints teach that Christ "descended below all things"—including every kind of sickness, infirmity, and dark despair experienced by every mortal being—in order that he might "comprehend all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth" (D&C 88:6). This spiritual anguish of plumbing the depths of human suffering and sorrow was experienced primarily in the Garden of Gethsemane. It was there that he was "in an agony" and "prayed more earnestly." It was there that his sweat was "as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:44) for he bled "at every pore" (D&C 19:18). It was there that he began the final March to Calvary.

The majesty and triumph of the Atonement reached its zenith when, after unspeakable abuse at the hands of the Roman soldiers and others, Christ appealed from the cross, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34). Forgiveness was the key to the meaning of all the suffering he had come to endure.

Such an utterly lonely and excruciating mission is piercingly expressed in that near-final and most agonizing cry of all, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). In the depths of that anguish, even nature itself convulsed, "and there was a darkness over all the earth…. The sun was darkened…. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent" (Luke 23:43-45; Matt. 27:51-52). Finally, even the seemingly unbearable had been borne and Jesus said, "It is finished" (John 19:30), and then, saying "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit," he "gave up the ghost" (Luke 23:46). Latter-day Saints believe that every tongue will someday, somewhere confess as did a Roman centurion at the crucifixion, "Truly this was the Son of God" (Matt. 27:54).

"The Savior thus becomes master of the situation—the debt is paid, the redemption made, the covenant fulfilled, justice satisfied, the will of God done, and all power is now given into the hands of the Son of God—the power of the resurrection, the power of the redemption, the power of salvation…. He becomes the author of eternal life and exaltation. He is the Redeemer, the Resurrector, the Savior of man and the world" (Taylor, p. 171). Furthermore, his Atonement extends to all life—beasts, fish, fowl, and the earth itself.

To the thoughtful woman and man, it is "a matter of surpassing wonder" (AF, p. 77) that the voluntary and merciful sacrifice of a single being could satisfy the infinite and eternal demands of justice, atone for every human transgression and misdeed, and thereby sweep all mankind into the encompassing arms of his merciful embrace. A President and prophet of the LDS Church writing on this subject said:

In some mysterious, incomprehensible way, Jesus assumed the responsibility which naturally would have devolved upon Adam; but which could only be accomplished through the mediation of Himself, and by taking upon Himself their sorrows, assuming their responsibilities, and bearing their transgressions or sins. In a manner to us incomprehensible and inexplicable, He bore the weight of the sins of the whole world, not only of Adam, but of his posterity; and in doing that opened the kingdom of heaven, not only to all believers and all who obeyed the law of God, but to more than one-half of the human family who die before they come to years of maturity as well as to the heathen, who having died without law, will, through His mediation, be resurrected without law, and be judged without law, and thus participate…in the blessings of His Atonement [Taylor, pp. 148-49].

Latter-day Saints sing a favorite hymn, written by Charles H. Gabriel, that expresses their deepest feelings regarding this greatest of all gifts:

I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me,

Confused at the grace that so fully he proffers me.

I tremble to know that for me he was crucified,

That for me, a sinner, he suffered, He bled and died.

Oh, it is wonderful that he should care for me

Enough to die for me!

Oh, it is wonderful, wonderful to me! [Hymns, p. 193].

Bibliography

McConkie, Bruce R. The Promised Messiah. Salt Lake City, 1978.

Nibley, Hugh W. "The Atonement of Jesus Christ," Ensign 20 (July 1990):18-23; (Aug. 1990):30-34; (Sept. 1990):22-26; (Oct. 1990):26-31.

Taylor, John. The Mediation and Atonement. Salt Lake City, 1882.

 



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To: Elsie
Got any scripture we can look at for this?

Certainly. Try Doctrine and Covenants Sections 19 and 76.

241 posted on 03/03/2010 5:19:40 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
Although I am far from the greatest logician in the world, what you call the "tangled theology of Momonism" does not seem to me to be so terribly difficult to understand. (There are issues in traditional Christian theology that seem far more difficult.)

If it not that difficult to understand - why couldn't you answer the 5 questions in post #222?

242 posted on 03/03/2010 5:47:04 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Logophile; Godzilla

Actually, no one noticed, *I* pointed it out.

And I will start capitalizing “mormon” when they stop capitalizing “Church” and start capitalizing “He” and “His” in reference to Christ.

Pet peeve.


243 posted on 03/03/2010 5:56:53 PM PST by reaganaut (You say 'Jesus Freak' like it's a bad thing....)
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To: Logophile; Godzilla
What? Do you honestly mean to tell me that two beings named Jesus of Nazareth...

No, Logo, one is Jesus of Nazareth; the other is jesus of moroni -- the latter, says the Book of Mormon, was that he was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10), not Bethlehem.

Do you honestly mean to tell me that two [such] beings...lived in the Holy Land at the beginning of the first century? That these two beings were both the Son of God...

Why do you have a problem with only two, Logo??...After all, I've NEVER seen you critique Lds "prophet" John Taylor, who was imprisoned with Joseph Smith when Smith died in a gunbattle. Didn't "prophet" Taylor tell you: ...What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but HE IS THE SON OF GOD ALSO. HE IS A GOD IN EMBRYO, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame which was struck from the blaze of God's eternal fire in the eternal world..." (Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, p. 2) [Gee a spark of the divine flame; how New Age-ish; how Hindu-like! But the main point Taylor communicated is how EVERY MAN is THE Son of God]

both...born to virgin mothers...

No. Jesus of Nazareth was; but jesus of moroni "was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation…Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.” (Brigham Young, Millennial Star, Vol. 15, p. 770, 1853)

(I mean, I've never seen you call Brigham a liar or false prophet, right?)

Besides Jesus of Nazareth was both THE son of God & son of man; Savior of the World. In contrast, the Mormon christ is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad: "Christ is a saved being” (lds apostle McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257) “Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being... (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234) (Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)

That both men called 12 apostles and sent them out to teach the Gospel?

No. Jesus of Nazareth called 12 apostles; jesus of Moroni apparently called 24 -- another dozen in BoM fantasyland...I can't believe, Logo, that math was ever a problem for you.

That both were crucified, rose from the dead...?

No, when Jesus of Nazareth was resurrected, many others were resurrected with him; when jesus of Moroni died many hundreds of people were killed in violent earthquakes, so says the Book of Mormon. (The BoM says entire villages were wiped out)

(NO matter how you spin it, these are NOT the same Jesus...the Former brings true life; the "Latter" one death & destruction)

244 posted on 03/03/2010 6:07:13 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: reaganaut
Pet peeve.

I am sorry it annoys you. But the convention of capitalizing pronouns referring to God is not universally practiced. In fact, The Chicago Manual of Style states that such pronouns "are today preferably not capitalized."

Some people follow the current preference for reducing capitalization; others do not. Many people are simply not that careful when it comes punctuation. Either way, capitalization (or the lack thereof) should probably not be taken as an indication of one's respect (or the lack thereof) toward God.

245 posted on 03/03/2010 6:21:41 PM PST by Logophile
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To: reaganaut; GreyMountainReagan
...in order to get to the CELESTIAL KINGDOM (the presence of God the Father), is membership or baptism into the LDS church required? If so, then only the LDS church can ‘save’. If not, then there is no need to be LDS or for the LDS to go door to door in search of Christians to convert.

Well, Reaganaut, I think that it's too easy for a Mormon to say ALL or most will be "saved" via the atonement -- just at a lower degree of glory if they are not Lds church members.

So, I think instead of using the word "saved," I would ask GMR & other Lds: ...then only the LDS church can ‘save’ to the point of Christians living eternally with Jesus?

Elsewise, what Mormons set up for Christians is a broken or estranged eternal marriage from the get-go:

I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. (2 Cor. 11:2)

Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. 8Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.) Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God." (Rev. 19:7-9)

2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband...One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." (Rev. 21:2, 9)

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. (Rev. 22:17)

23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. (Eph. 5:23-32)

246 posted on 03/03/2010 6:27:48 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Logophile; reaganaut; colorcountry; SZonian; SENTINEL
So now that someone has noticed, we can expect you to being writing Mormon, Mormonism, etc.?

I was a member of the "mormon" church when the leaders lack of respect for the nickname was such that they were on their drive to eliminate the term from use altogether.

Just another item in the effort to rewrite mormon history.

When I am convinced that mormon and mormonism deserve the respect that Jesus Christ deserves, I will consider the use of capital letters.

As it stands, the comparison of "mormon" and "mormonism" TO Jesus in the matter is indicative of the status that mormons accord their church and the status they accord Jesus Christ.

247 posted on 03/03/2010 6:31:11 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: Colofornian
"So, I think instead of using the word "saved," I would ask GMR & other Lds: ...then only the LDS church can ‘save’ to the point of Christians living eternally with Jesus?"

Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. No man cometh to the Father except through him.

248 posted on 03/03/2010 6:34:32 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan ("Mormons will rot in hell")
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To: Logophile; reaganaut
Either way, capitalization (or the lack thereof) should probably not be taken as an indication of one's respect (or the lack thereof) toward God.

I'll believe that when I see that mormon FReepers have stopped capitalizing "church" when referring to their organization.

249 posted on 03/03/2010 6:34:43 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: GreyMountainReagan; reaganaut; Logophile
Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. No man cometh to the Father except through him.

The Q is: Can somebody live with Jesus forever if they are not & never will be -- a member of the Lds church? (That's what I'd like to know)

250 posted on 03/03/2010 6:39:04 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'll believe that when I see that mormon FReepers have stopped capitalizing "church" when referring to their organization.

Is it OK to capitalize Church when writing "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"? Or is that a sign that one lacks respect toward God?

251 posted on 03/03/2010 6:54:58 PM PST by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39

do as you wish it only shows boorish behavior to those who see this spiteful nature!


252 posted on 03/03/2010 6:59:07 PM PST by restornu (The Gospel is here to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable)
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To: colorcountry
Can you tell me about sons of perdition. Who are they? Because I asked another freeper this just the other day and never got an answer.

D&C 76:32-49 is a good place to start.

253 posted on 03/03/2010 6:59:22 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Colofornian

YES!


254 posted on 03/03/2010 6:59:39 PM PST by restornu (The Gospel is here to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable)
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To: Colofornian; GreyMountainReagan; restornu; Logophile

Jesus yes (Terrestrial Kingdom), God the Father (Celestial)? NO WAY!


255 posted on 03/03/2010 7:09:55 PM PST by reaganaut (You say 'Jesus Freak' like it's a bad thing....)
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To: Logophile; Godzilla; greyfoxx39

I am familiar with Chicago Style we used it in Grad school. However, the lower case of pronouns is because of liberalism and inclusiveness. Chicago 15 is great as a guideline but it is ONLY a general guideline. Style sheets vary considerably.

Which journals have you written for?

More often, in academia you use the preference of the journal or publishing house. In my academic work I have used both, depending upon the audience. However, I use capital He and His whenever possible.

An example, I took a religious studies course where the instructor insisted we use ‘gender neutral’ language for God. We went around and around about this all semester and she finally gave in but stated “you know that it says something about you and you may be judged on that”.

It is like using BC/AD vs. BCE/CE, either convention is generally accepted (there are some style sheets that prefer one over the other), but the preference of one or the other says something about where you stand regarding Christianity.

For me, capitalization matters because it does reflect how a person views it (in this case “Christ” vs. “church” or vice versa).


256 posted on 03/03/2010 7:21:59 PM PST by reaganaut (You say 'Jesus Freak' like it's a bad thing....)
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To: greyfoxx39

As it stands, the comparison of “mormon” and “mormonism” TO Jesus in the matter is indicative of the status that mormons accord their church and the status they accord Jesus Christ.

- - - - -
‘Zactly!


257 posted on 03/03/2010 7:22:37 PM PST by reaganaut (You say 'Jesus Freak' like it's a bad thing....)
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To: greyfoxx39

That will never happen. “The Church” is too important.


258 posted on 03/03/2010 7:23:15 PM PST by reaganaut (You say 'Jesus Freak' like it's a bad thing....)
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To: reaganaut
Jesus yes (Terrestrial Kingdom), God the Father (Celestial)? NO WAY!

***

Only the clean are allow there...

So it matters not if one is LDS or what ever if ye have a boorish, contenious nature all that kind of spitefull and carrying on will be able to not dwell in the House of God!

..but then again many here seem to consigned themselves to be angels if worthy

Mark 12
23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

259 posted on 03/03/2010 7:24:31 PM PST by restornu (The Gospel is here to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable)
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To: Logophile
D&C 76:32-49 is a good place to start.

Well, thanks but I asked if YOU could tell me. I guess you can't.

260 posted on 03/03/2010 7:36:21 PM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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