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What's the Point of Creeds?
Insight Scoop ^ | March 7, 2010 | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 05/08/2010 1:49:40 PM PDT by NYer

I remember vividly how deeply moved I was as a young Protestant to hear how one of the Catholic martyrs died: scratching in the sand with his own blood the words of the creed, "Credo...."( "I believe").


My heart was moved, but my head did not yet understand. What do these Catholics see in their creeds anyway? How can a set of words be worth dying for? Why have wars been fought over a word? What's the point of creeds?


Then I read Dorothy Sayers' little masterpiece Creed or Chaos?, and I was answered.


The question can be answered by remembering another question, the one Pilate asked Christ in another life-or-death situation: "What is truth?"


And that is the point of the creeds: truth. In fact, Primal Truth, the truth about God. That is why the words of the Creed are sacred words. Just as God's material houses are sacred, so are his verbal houses. Of course God is no more confined to words, even the sacred words of creeds, than he is confined to the sacred buildings of tent or temple, church or cathedral. But both are holy, set apart, sacred. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain."


Faith has two dimensions: the objective and the subjective. Creeds express these two dimensions: "I believe in God. " There is an I, a believing subject, and there is God, the object of belief. There is the psychology of believing, which is something in us, and there is the theology of belief, which is the Truth believed. There is the eye, and there is the light. And woe to him who mistakes the one for the other.


When the Church formulated her creeds, humanity was more interested in the light than in the eye. God providentially arranged for the great creeds of the Church to be formulated in ages that cared passionately about objective truth. By modern standards, they ignored the subjective, psychological dimension of faith.


But we moderns fall into the opposite and far worse extreme: we are so interested in the subject that we often forget or even scorn the object. Psychology has become our new religion, as Paul Vitz and Kirk Kilpatrick have both so brilliantly shown.


Yet it's the object, not the subjective act, of faith that makes the creeds sacred. They are sacred because Truth is sacred, not because believing is sacred. Creeds do not say merely what we believe, but what is. Creeds wake us from our dreams and prejudices into objective reality. Creeds do not confine us in little cages, as the modern world thinks; creeds free us into the outdoors, into the real world where the winds of heaven whip around our heads.


What is the object, the Truth? Saint Thomas says that the primary object of faith is not words and statements but God himself. "We believe in God." Further, as Christians we know God most fully in Christ, God incarnate, and as Catholics we know Christ through Holy Mother Church and her creeds.


When human reason raved, in the Arian heresy, that Christ could not possibly be both fully human and fully divine, Athanasius stood against the world; today we know Christ as he really is because of Athanasius and his creed.


When contemporary forms of the same heresy water down the strong meat" of Christ, the Church again braves the media, the mouth of the world, and calmly thunders the full truth about Christ. True, it is Christ rather than words that is the primary object of the Christian's faith, but what Christ? Here words are crucial.


Two extremes must be avoided: intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, worshipping the words and scorning the words. If the ancient mind tended to the former extreme, the modern mind certainly tends to the latter. Both errors are deadly.


Intellectualism misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, the core of faith is God, who is a Person, not a concept. Subjectively, the core of faith is the will, not the intellect. Though informed by the intellect, it is the will that freely chooses to believe.


Faith is not the relation between an intellect and an idea, but the relation between an I and a Thou. That is why faith makes the difference between heaven and hell. God does not send you to hell for flunking his theology exam but for willingly divorcing from him.


Anti-intellectualism also misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, because its faith has no object. It calls faith an experience ("the faith experience") — a term never used by our Lord, Scripture, the creeds, or the popes. Modern people are constantly saying, "Have faith!" But faith in what or whom? They often mean "have faith in faith. " But faith in faith in what?


Anti-intellectualism is a modern reaction against the modern narrowing of reason to scientific reason. When the ancients and medievals called man a "rational animal", they did not mean a computerized camera mounted in an ape. They meant by "reason" understanding, wisdom, insight, and conscience as well as logical calculation.


Modern thinkers often forget this dimension of man and think only of reasoning (as in calculating) and feeling. And because they see that faith is not a matter of reasoning, they conclude that it must be a matter of feeling. Thus "I believe" comes to mean "I feel and creeds simply have no place. Faith becomes a "leap" in the dark instead of a leap in the light.


Many of the Church's greatest saints have been doctors of the Church, theologians, philosophers, intellectuals: Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Bonaventure. Anti-intellectuals like Tatian and Tertullian and Luther (who called reason "the devil's whore") often die excommunicated, as heretics.


The Church — repeating what Saint Paul said in Romans 1: 19-20 — even teaches as a matter of faith that God's existence can be known by reason, independent of faith!


The Catholic ideal is the complete person, with a cool head and a warm heart, a hard head and a soft heart. The mere intellectual has a cool heart; the anti-intellectual has a hot head. The intellectual has a hard heart, the anti-intellectual has a soft head. The Church puts the severed parts in the right order because the Church has the blueprint: Christ (Eph 4:13). The Church has always had a conservative head and a liberal heart, and the world has never understood her, just as it never understood Christ.


Creeds are to the head what good works are to the heart: creeds express truth, the head's food, as good works express love, the heart's food. Both are sacred.


If there is any doubt about the need for creeds, it can be settled by fact: the fact that the Church established by Christ, the Church Christ promised to "guide into all truth", has in fact formulated and taught creeds.

The first bishops, the apostles, formulated the Church's first, shortest, and most important creed, the Apostles' Creed. Whether the apostles literally wrote it, as tradition says, or whether it was written by their disciples to preserve the apostles' teaching, in either case it is the teaching of the apostles. When we recite this creed we speak in unison with them.


There is a strange notion abroad that creeds oppress, repress, or suppress people. That is like saying that light or food is repressive. The practical purpose of the creeds is truth, and truth is light and food for the soul.


Each of the Church's creeds was written in response to a heresy, to combat it not by force but by truth, as light combats darkness. Creeds are "truth in labeling". Those who disbelieve in truth or scorn it, or who disbelieve in our ability to know it, see creeds as power plays.


The media's hysterical rhetoric about the pope's labeling Hans Kung's theology as non-Catholic theology is a good example of the world's utter confusion here. The media conjured up visions of the return of the Inquisition simply because the pope said, in effect, that Kung's teachings about Christ should not be confused with the Church's teachings about Christ. But this reaction should be expected if we remember the words of Christ himself (read Jn 3:17-21 prayerfully).


The most important creeds were those formulated by the Church's ecumenical (universal) councils in response to the most important heresies, the heresies about Christ; and of these the two most important were Chalcedon and Nicaea. (The Nicene Creed is the one we recite each Sunday at Mass.) The Church's most recent council, Vatican II, formulated no new creeds and no new doctrines but applied the old ones to new needs and situations.


The pope called an extraordinary synod of bishops in 1985 in part to clarify Catholic confusion concerning Vatican II. Anyone who would take the trouble to read the actual documents (which are much, much longer than creeds) would see how traditional they are. The "spirit of Vatican II" conjured by the media and some theologians is a phantom, a ghostlike half-person, with the fatal split between head and heart, creed and deed, theology and social action, love of God and love of man, eternal principles and updated applications.


But the pope is a bridge builder, a pontifex; he will patch what the world has torn. And the blueprint he will follow in doing this will be the historic, never-abandoned creeds of the Church of Christ.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; creed; protestant
Peter Kreeft, Ph.D., is a professor of philosophy at Boston College who has written over forty books, including C.S. Lewis for the Third Millennium, Fundamentals of the Faith, Catholic Christianity, Back to Virtue, Three Approaches to Abortion, and The Philosophy of Tolkien.
1 posted on 05/08/2010 1:49:40 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 05/08/2010 1:50:08 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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"In 1648, the first printing of the Larger and Shorter Catechisms of the Westminster Assembly were made available for distribution and sale in England and Scotland. They remain the clearest expressions of Reformed Protestantism ever formulated..."

- May 13, This Week in Religion History

Confession and Catechisms [introduction to the Westminster Confession of Faith]

The Westminster Confession of Faith
[from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church website]
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scripture
Chapter 2: Of God, and of the Holy Trinity
Chapter 3: Of God’s Eternal Decree
Chapter 4: Of Creation
Chapter 5: Of Providence
Chapter 6: Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof
Chapter 7: Of God’s Covenant with Man
Chapter 8: Of Christ the Mediator
Chapter 9: Of Free Will
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
Chapter 11: Of Justification
Chapter 12: Of Adoption
Chapter 13: Of Sanctification
Chapter 14: Of Saving Faith
Chapter 15: Of Repentance unto Life
Chapter 16: Of Good Works
Chapter 17: Of the Perseverance of the Saints
Chapter 18: Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
Chapter 19: Of the Law of God
Chapter 20: Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience
Chapter 21: Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day
Chapter 22: Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
Chapter 23: Of the Civil Magistrate
Chapter 24: Of Marriage and Divorce
Chapter 25: Of the Church
Chapter 26: Of the Communion of Saints
Chapter 27: Of the Sacraments
Chapter 28: Of Baptism
Chapter 29: Of the Lord’s Supper
Chapter 30: Of Church Censures
Chapter 31: Of Synods and Councils
Chapter 32: Of the State of Men after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead
Chapter 33: Of the Last Judgment

3 posted on 05/08/2010 2:02:10 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: NYer
What's the Point of Creeds?
What’s the Point of Creeds?
Who Needs a Creed? (part 1 of 12)

Creed 7: Ascended Into Heaven
Beginning Catholic: Creeds: Apostles, Nicene, Athanasian [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Basic Tenets of Catholicism [Ecumenical]
The Catholic Nicene Creed
We Believe in One God...: The Nicene Creed at Mass [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
I Believe [Apostle's Creed]
Why the Creed Doesn't Mention the Eucharist
The Apostles' Creed in Public and Private Worship
More Than Our Father [The Creed]
The Nicene Creed in Greek and Latin
The Creed - latest revisions proposed by ICEL

4 posted on 05/08/2010 2:10:56 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
how one of the Catholic martyrs died: scratching in the sand with his own blood the words of the creed, "Credo...."( "I believe").

Peter of Verona, OP, Martyr. Murdered by (allegedly dualistic) Albigensians. One of his murderers later repented and became a very holy Dominican.

5 posted on 05/08/2010 2:28:32 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: NYer

In St. Augustine Florida, there is a Tiny Greek Orthodox Chapel, founded by Greek people who were fleeing from Muslim oppression (so what else is new?) a few centuries ago. On the wall, in English and Greek, are the Lord’s Prayer and The Nicene Creed (With a slight variation..Our Orthodox Friends know what I mean).

Anyway, my husband, was able to read the Creed, and understand precisely, without embellishment, the basics of the Christian Faith in a nutshell, without the Folklore and Cultural baggage that often makes non-Christians prejudiced against believers in Jesus.

He stood back, looked at the wall, read what it said, nodded his head, and said, “Oh. THAT’s IT! Well THAT makes sense. OK!”

And then we went on with our tour.

It was most pleasant indeed!


6 posted on 05/08/2010 2:41:24 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Alex Murphy
The Westminster Confession of Faith

How does the confession translate into a Creed? And which one?

7 posted on 05/08/2010 2:54:28 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Bagging on Luther, are we?


8 posted on 05/08/2010 2:55:00 PM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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Bagging on Luther, are we?

No ... where did you get that idea?

9 posted on 05/08/2010 2:58:46 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Bertha Fanation
Bagging on Luther, are we?

It's a Catholic article, ain't it?

Related threads:
The man who dared to laugh at the Pope ["Out of the Storm: The Life and Legacy of Martin Luther"]
Vatican spokesman calls rumors of rehabilitation of Luther groundless
Conversions from Catholicism to Lutheranism
Catholic Church called on to revoke Luther's excommunication
The Pope, Justification, the New Perspective and Paul
Catholic bishop welcomes the challenge of Luther

10 posted on 05/08/2010 3:12:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: NYer

With all due respect, Protestant churches hold to the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed, too.


11 posted on 05/08/2010 3:32:19 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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With all due respect, Protestant churches hold to the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed, too.

Glad to hear it. Thanks for the post and ping.

12 posted on 05/08/2010 3:37:49 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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13 posted on 05/08/2010 3:38:12 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: GAB-1955

True: Often I receive emails from men I served with who have faced death in war many times. I can tell you ,I, too, did a lot of praying. They will admit it.

There is no man I ever served with in war- who did not pray.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 3:54:16 PM PDT by Lumper20
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Agreed. Anyone who can hold to a philosophical atheism while the fire’s raging or the bullets are flying or the waves are crashing over the foredeck has great mental discipline, or is lying.

There is only on Christian Church, and Christ is its Head. We’re closer than many imagine, not because we are one in practice, but one in Headship.

15 posted on 05/08/2010 4:46:01 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

Men pray to get into an LZ without being ambused on that LZ. Men pray to live after being hit in arteries, blown to hell, etc.

You know much more then I.


16 posted on 05/08/2010 5:16:05 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: NYer

And, let us not forget, the Athanasian Creed.


17 posted on 05/08/2010 6:26:09 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Lumper20
No, I don't. However, can you clarify what you are asking? Something’s missing.
18 posted on 05/08/2010 6:46:10 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

Any God fearing and God loving man old enough to serve in combat, add womemen now, pray. I am not a judge of anyone.


19 posted on 05/08/2010 8:21:04 PM PDT by Lumper20
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