Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut
Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the dead—the Redeemer of mankind—the most important figure in history.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893—three years before Utah became a state in 1896—and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)
New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearch—under different versions of his identity—which have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for him—including combined records—show LDS ordinance details as “Not Available.”
On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled “Jesus Christian,” and showed “Jesus Christian” was born “before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel.” LDS ordinances were tagged as “Not available” on this record. The other entry was for “Jesus Cristian,” who was born “before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel.” The entry for “Jesus Cristian” gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouse—“Maria Magdelena.”
“Jesus Cristian” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” “Jesus Cristian” was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage “sealing” to “spouse” “Maria Magdelena” on April 9, 2010—all rites occurred in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
It appears the submissions for “Jesus Christian,” and “Jesus Cristian” were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled “Cristian,” instead of “Christian,” could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as “Cristian” to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names “Jesus Christ.” That would explain why the entry for “Jesus Christian” shows LDS ordinances as “Not available.”
While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise “before” years of these events—the first name “Jesus” combined with the surnames “Christian” and “Cristian” (both spins on the name of “Christ”) are signs that “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.
Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, “Bethlehem,” and the death location, “Jerusalem.” (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of “Jesus Cristian” is the name of his “spouse”—“Maria Magdelena,” a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. “Maria Magdelena” is not listed on the “Jesus Christian” record.
Because “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” have similar names and identical birth and death locations—“Bethlehem” and “Jerusalem,” they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” were born and died in the 16th century. “Jesus Christian” lived roughly 50 years, while “Jesus Cristian” died in his thirties.
On May 27, 2010, “Maria Magdelena” was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as “1504 Israel,” and death date as “before 1540 Israel.” Both years are likely inventions. Along with “spouse” “Jesus Cristian,” “Maria Magdelena” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage “sealing” to “Jesus Cristian” on April 9, 2010—all rites were done in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormons—although that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was married—to Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.
LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yet—under their very noses—on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christ—under a false name—two millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.
Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” were scrubbed from New FamilySearch—concealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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Jacob Neusner wrote a book on it several years ago. If you have trouble finding it, let me know and I will loan it to you.
I was curious how far you would go. My convictions of right and wrong don’t flap in the wind. ;0)
1 Timothy 4-1,2 Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
I get tired of the Catholic and Mormon threads and try to stay off them, they are all BAIT.
Jesus Christ the Son of God is what matters ...
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I don’t go on the Catholic threads, they may be bait, I don’t know.
But you are right, it is about Christ the Son of God and THE LDS CONSTANTLY TRAMPLE HIM, make Him just another created being(who happened to be good enough to keep all the commandments) and the product of sex between God and Mary (another one of his creations and Jesus’ ‘spirit sister’).
SAY WHAT???
The difference is, Catholics are Christians, Mormons are NOT and what we are doing is not ‘bait’, it is exposing their lies and heresies. Big difference there.
So I suppose we can expect more "attacking the messenger, not the message" type of efforts when you "speak out"?
To deny those of us who disagree with mormonism the opportunity to speak out and to offer counter arguments against mormon posts and threads is a form of bigotry and censorship in and of itself. You disagree with our beliefs, so you make efforts to quell our voices in the name of "social justice". You become a bigot yourself when you do so.
What you call bigotry, a personal prejudice against a specific belief, I would call theological disagreement. I don't compare mormonism with my current religion because I don't have a religion. Ergo, technically, I am not a bigot.
I will expose the fallacies of mormon dogma and present my experiences as an apostate who was once very active and obedient to the tenets of the LdS faith. But I fail to see how that equates to bigotry.
Am I missing something or is it that you personally don't like it when the dogma and doctrines of mormonism are exposed and discussed, because it disagrees with your own beliefs, which in and of itself is bigotry?
The primary purpose of this is to enlighten those who don't think to look for the types of information posted. The blind followers or True Believing Mormons (TBM's) or those Born into the church (BIC's). Or even converts who didn't know their scripture and were led astray by the mormon missionaries. (like me)
Information, that when posted and discussed, reveals many "different" truths than those the LdS church would have their members learn.
There is value in posting against mormonISM. Many just aren't capable or willing to see that. They make the wrong assumption that it's about the person as opposed to the doctrine.
I can't do that seeing as how I've been married to a mormon for over 20 years. I love her dearly, I don't like her religion. That doesn't mean I have to blindly accept the false teachings and heresies of mormonISM.
Nor does it justify yours or anyone else's attempts to silence me or the others who speak out.
It seems to me that the shoe is on the other foot.
There’s a lot of that going around.
Sorry to hear that you aren’t able to give others the considerations you demand for others.
Whoopee!
I offer post #387 as proof of your response.
Completely ignored the content and resorted to denigrating the poster.
Were you "speaking out" when the mormon proselytizing was going on daily here with no rebuttal? I don't recall seeing that.
And how about this one..did you speak out here? Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down.
None of us tried to keep the mormons from doing as promised in this article..."So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). (Note the little slam at Catholics here.)
They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.
We are encouraging the mormons to do exactly that...post about their basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. "If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post."
Where ARE these articles?
Because they do, any Freeper offended by condemnations of his deeply held beliefs on "open" Religion Forum threads should IGNORE them altogether and instead read/post to the "ecumenical" "caucus" "prayer" and "devotional" RF threads.
Thanks.
And #390.
Thanks, RM. I won’t be visiting this thread again.
Yep, as expected, a very adult like response.
Scurrilous claims and all...
I have no interest in your posts. Any further posts to me will be ignored.
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IOW, since we are not going to play your games, you are taking your dollies and going home.
got it.
And you are an insult to your Catholic faith.
But I still give monthly...because I use the site.
FWIW
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