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Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck Rally (Many Christians Seem Confused)
Christian Post ^ | 09/02/2010 | Nathan Black

Posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Joann37
No, the video I saw he said he converted because his wife wouldn't have sex with him if he didn't. He is really into it now, the pull of godhood is strong.
101 posted on 09/02/2010 8:45:28 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: Pete
Understanding doctrine = knowing and understanding the Gospel.

And yet still not the means of salvation.

The thief on the cross almost certainly did not understand doctrine. Little children do not understand doctrine, and yet Jesus says we should be like them (in the sense of trusting Him) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. (Matt. 18)

Don't misunderstand: doctrine is a good and necessary thing. It's that body of principles and beliefs by which we can maintain a consistent understanding of what the Gospels say, and for churches to maintain a consistent body of teaching.

Even so, doctrine is not fixed, even among bodies of people that we both would agree are Christians. One expects this, as doctrine is the work of men, trying to make sense of what the Gospels are all about.

102 posted on 09/02/2010 8:45:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Salvation

Not true

They became Mormons together

thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM


103 posted on 09/02/2010 8:45:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: FourPeas
You'll have a hard time finding a Mormon source that will lay it on the line.

Here is a link to lds.org, (the official site of Mormonism on the internet) concerning Temple ordinances. This link will spell out what Mormons belief about what it takes to partake of the blessings associated with the atonement. When perusing this site - ALWAYS make sure to click on the tab marked additional information - that is where you will find a deeper level of LDS teaching - but certainly not all, they don't publish it anywhere.

Temples are places of learning. Their principal purpose is to provide ordinances necessary for the children of God to enable them to return to dwell with Him. Temple ordinances lead to the greatest blessings available through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Everything in the Church—the meetings and activities, the missionary efforts, the lessons taught and the hymns—all lead to the work done in holy temples.

104 posted on 09/02/2010 8:48:28 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Beck has said over and over again that it’s time to get back to a God centered nation, whatever that God means to you. He has said that we (WE as in NOT HE) need to decide what church is right for us.

Does anyone, in there right mind, disagree that we as a people need to get back to the set of principles that was a foundation of this nation that brought it to be the great nation it is today?

Did Beck say we needed to all be one religion? NO
Did Beck say we need to all belong to the same church? NO
Did Beck say we all needed to follow the same theology? NO
Were the founding fathers of this nation all of the same theological background? NO

Was this nation built on a diversity of theology but still together on a Judeo Christian set of guiding principles? YES

Will this nation last if we divide on Theology. NO,NO,NO it won’t.


105 posted on 09/02/2010 8:50:28 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Joann37

I think that conversion to Mormonism from Catholicism is an easy transition because they have many similarities ( Joseph Smith took a little from here and a little from there much like Islam)

But primarily because both are “mystic “ magical faiths...


106 posted on 09/02/2010 8:50:37 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Joann37

We pray with saints, not to them. Nice try at Catholic bashing, but fail.


107 posted on 09/02/2010 8:51:11 AM PDT by fml
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To: Eva; Gamecock
...and it makes you all look like a bunch of nuts.

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

109 posted on 09/02/2010 8:53:30 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Eva
As the head man at FR proved yesterday, loosely throwing around the "jihad" term against fellow FReepers can result in a zot.

If you don't like the message, just don't click on the thread.

110 posted on 09/02/2010 8:53:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (BARF of the YEAR: Obama "We are God's partners in matters of life and death,")
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To: CynicalBear
"Beck has said over and over again that it’s time to get back to a God centered nation, whatever that God means to you. He has said that we (WE as in NOT HE) need to decide what church is right for us."

That is definitly contrary to biblical Christianity. I would call it a doctrine of demons.

111 posted on 09/02/2010 8:54:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: r9etb

“You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.”
— James 2:18-20


112 posted on 09/02/2010 8:54:36 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: Godzilla
Had this rally been promoted as a political rally - I would not have had any problems with it. But it was promoted as a religious rally - no politics. Yet we see the spinoffs - most everyone can see that plainly it was a political rally with God mixed in. Were this to have been a spiritual rally to bring us back to God, it would have taken a whole different form and message.

Exactly, I am a tea party member.. I do not care about the faith of other members..it is political.. but Beck made this about religion..there I draw the line

113 posted on 09/02/2010 8:56:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

**I think that conversion to Mormonism from Catholicism is an easy transition because they have many similarities ( Joseph Smith took a little from here and a little from there much like Islam)**

Mom, you sound like you are speaking from experience!


114 posted on 09/02/2010 8:57:14 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: colorcountry

That makes sense. Thank you for the links. My kid has a 3 hour class in town today, and now I know what I’ll be researching.


115 posted on 09/02/2010 8:57:19 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Eva
I have an idea, don't like the discussion stay off the Religion Forum.
Hey is “jihad” the word for September for lds and their defenders? Last month is ad hominen and progressive.
116 posted on 09/02/2010 8:57:46 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: CynicalBear

Great post! bttt


117 posted on 09/02/2010 8:58:01 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: svcw

Show us that video

t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM


118 posted on 09/02/2010 8:58:14 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. -- Jesus (Mark 16:16)
119 posted on 09/02/2010 8:59:10 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: RnMomof7

No, look it up yourself.


120 posted on 09/02/2010 8:59:24 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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