Posted on 11/19/2010 7:02:39 PM PST by Benchim
Right on Brother!
That's when it's a little late to worry about it...
John says:
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Did your priest not believe what Jesus told John to write???
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
God gave us his Spirit that we would know if we are saved...Sounds like your priest doesn't have that Spirit of Christ...Perhaps you don't as well...
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
And when you are saved, you will be indwelt with the Holy Spirit who will bear witness to that Salvation...You can know if you are saved, right now...
And Peter wasn't speaking to Gentiles...Peter was speaking to Jews under the Law...
Acts is a transitional book...As you read thru the chapters you can see a transition from 'salvation is of the Jews' and the physical Kingdom of Heaven to the Gospel of the Grace of God given to all, including Gentiles...
There's no water in that verse...Baptize does not mean water...
As you can see if you believe the verse, 'calling on His name' is the baptism...
By calling on His name, you are immersed (baptized) into Jesus...And He, into you...It's a Spiritual baptism, made without hands...A circumcision of the heart...
shâmayim shâmeh
shaw-mah'-yim, shaw-meh'
The second form being dual of an unused singular; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s).
Guess it depends on whose Hebrew Lexicon you use, eh???
**Are we to infer from the above verse that literal H2O is what Jesus was referring to here?**
Don’t you see that you answered the matter yourself?
At the beginning of the conversation the Lord tells the woman at the well that he “would have given thee LIVING water. The same is mentioned in John 7:38: “..rivers of LIVING water”.
It’s just ‘water’, without an adjective, in John 3
Granted, in the literal sense, there are things living IN most of the water around us; which is why we should boil it before drinking.
Am I trying to take credit for obeying God’s word? Except for the Spirit drawing me, I would not. The Lord said, “..blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Luke 11:27
There are a good many folk that will not obey Acts 2:38 because in will cause division, and/or loss of family, friends, even houses and land. I credit my wife for having a stronger will than I at the time we were pondering the Acts 2 message. I had relation already converted, while she had none, and received much more persecusion. While she loves her family very much, she truly loves the Lord more than family, houses, and land.
The message is strong, and cuts like a knife.
>> Don’t you see that you answered the matter yourself?
At the beginning of the conversation the Lord tells the woman at the well that he “would have given thee LIVING water. The same is mentioned in John 7:38: “..rivers of LIVING water”.<<
Sorry to hear that you miss the truth. I’m not even going to try to point the clear intent or how badly you have missed the message. I will leave that to the Holy Spirit.
>> There are a good many folk that will not obey Acts 2:38 because in will cause division, and/or loss of family, friends, even houses and land.<<
Therein lies the reason for public profession and baptism. If you put pride or fear over Jesus then you have not given Him priority. Public profession and baptism are simple outward proclamations of you dedication.
You’re exegesis is too cunning by half, so no, I have no further desire to communicate with you. Have a nice day.
Until one understands “Take and eat; this is my body,” they will flounder with the rest ...
**There’s no water in that verse...Baptize does not mean water...**
Saul/Paul had already been literally and figuratively brought low by the Lord, even had that brief but shocking converstion with him. Paul believed on the Lord Jesus right then and there. But what said the Lord in closing? “Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be TOLD thee WHAT thou MUST DO.” Acts 9:6
Paul has met the Lord...and there’s something he MUST DO??
Dittos for Cornelius, except for the messenger being an angel in a vision. Some can claim ‘legalism’, but since when is obedience to the Lord, legalism. The avoiding of Acts 2:38, using out of context study habits, would be legalism, imo.
**“And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.” Acts 22:16.**
There are scriptures records that Paul himself baptized almost a dozen souls, Jew and Gentile. When you include the ‘households’, the number may be considerably larger.
The book of Acts is transitional in this sense: If you aren’t born again, and don’t know how to be, you will know how by the time you’ve gotten just a few chapters through it, and thoroughly convinced by the end.
The stumblingblock is the reading of the epistles with the same mindset; that starting into each, one might not be born again, but would see how to be somewhere therein. When, in fact, those letters were written to saints, those sanctified, etc., and need to be read in that context.
YES!
Believe The Gospel and you are saved. No extras required.
Bingo
Beautifully said.
Eph. 5:26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing water by the word,
The ones that flounder are those who are not indwelt with the Holy Spirit and won't have a clue if they are saved til they see Jesus at the final judgment...
That's not me...I won't be there...
That's not me...I won't be there...So we get to call all the shots? How about fear (respect) of God?
He called all the shots already! ‘There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus!’
A number of biblical reasons...Jesus is called a door...But he isn't really is He??? Jesus is called the Lion of the tribe of Judah...But He's not really a lion, is He...And Jesus is not really a lamb...
There is no formula in the scriptures for anyone to turn Jesus body into a cracker...If Jesus was serious about physically eating His flesh, He'd have told someone how to turn the flesh into a cracker...But he didn't...
The transformation into a Christian takes place in your soul, not your flesh...There is no connection between your stomach and your soul...You can eat as many of those crackers as you can get your hands on and it still won't do anything for your Christianity, which is Spiritual...
Looking at just John chapter six one can see that Jesus says salvation comes from believing on Him...
Jesus says that if you eat the Bread, which is Jesus, you'll never be hungry again...Now you know that's not true, physically...
The people that turned from Jesus wanted something for their stomach...Just as you guys get when you eat the cracker....
Jesus says the whole discourse, the words that He spoke, is Spiritual...
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
The words that Jesus spoke are spirit...Is that something you can grasp???
Just like the priest you talked about who doesn't know if he is headed for heaven or hell, there is a lack of spiritual discernment because there is a lack of the Spirit...
These verses will be mostly meaningless without the leading of the Spirit...You will only see these words thru the eyes of a pagan person...
If you read John, Chapter 6, it’s clear Jesus is not talking metaphorically or else He would have told them it was a metaphor when many disciples said, “This is a hard teaching,”(60) after Jesus said, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will have no life in you.” (53-55) Instead, He confirmed it was “Real,” causing many disciples who couldn’t accept “really” eating Christ to leave, and they no longer followed Him. (66)
I have read John chapter 6...And it's clear that those disciples did not leave because of what Jesus said about eating His flesh...They left because Jesus said this:
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
And this:
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
They left because Jesus was telling them that He was the Son of God and had come down from Heaven...
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
We know this also because of what Peter said:
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Why do you suppose Jesus didn't correct Himself when He said this???
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Why did not Jesus correct Himself here when He knew that some didn't believe Him??? He that believes me will never be thirsty again???
Jesus didn't correct anyone about anything because they wouldn't believe Him anyway...
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And out of all the Spiritual Truth in the entire discourse of John chapter 6, all your religion can get out of it is, 'eat my flesh'...
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
I know there are a lot Catholics who 'passed on'...What's up with that??? Unless Jesus was talking Spiritually, eh???
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
And Jesus DID give His flesh for the life of the whole world...Jesus gave His flesh on the Cross...NOT in a cracker...
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