Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren
Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.
A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.
The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.
This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.
So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.
But, we'll just have to wait and see. I have no doubt that the infinite mind of God will give us an eternity beyond what we could ever imagine.
I am also looking forward to it!
Hitler’s main problem with Catholicism, from what I have read in his writings, was that it looked to Rome and Italy - and not to anywhere in Germany.
Excellent post.
In Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jewish people will continue to be “a nation before Me forever.”
Which underscores my view that God’s Covenants are ETERNAL. He is ALWAYS faithful, He always holds His side, even if we stray - abd if we do, He wants us to return.
Thus, a further problem with replacement theology - you would have to throw out the entire Old Testament. Yet the Old Testament points to the New Testament, Jesus Christ.
Thank You RegulatorCountry, One thing that is still a bit of a mystery to me and may fit in. After Acts 15 Should Jewish Christians, not Gentile Christians, observe the Jewish traditions such as passover and circumcision etc. Is it God pleasing? and I do not mean the circumcision legalistic approach.
That’s 12/21/12 ... :-)
As you know I'm against all forms of "replacement theology."
By all "all forms" I mean those beliefs which foster hatred toward the natural branches (supremacism > Holocaust) - to the more benign beliefs that boast against the natural branches.
It is all outside the will of God:
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance. - Romans 11:18-29
The sad thing about this is that it will give another “black eye” to Christians, when this is the time to witness to others for the good news of the Gospel of the Lord.
No Reformed, amillennial or postmillennial Christian that I know of believes that they're replacing the Jews in God's eschatology. In fact, it's the modern dispensationalist who thinks that the Jews have been replaced by the church until the church disappears in the rapture!
According to English and every other dispensationalist, the Church has replaced Israel until the rapture. The unfulfilled promises made to Israel are not fulfilled until after the Church is taken off the earth. Thomas Ice, one of dispensationalism’s rising stars, admits that the Church replaces Israel this side of the rapture: “We dispensationalists believe that the church has superseded Israel during the current church age, but God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel ‘as the institution for the administration of divine blessings to the world.’”
-- From the thread Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)“...the very category of ‘replacement’ is foreign to Reformed theology because it assumes a dispensational, Israeleo-centric way of thinking. It assumes that the temporary, national people was, in fact, intended to be the permanent arrangement.”
-- From the thread Replacing “Replacement” Theology"The historical premillennialist's view interprets some prophecy in Scripture as having literal fulfillment while others demand a semi-symbolic fulfillment. As a case in point, the seal judgments (Revelation 6) are viewed as having fulfillment in the forces in history (rather than in future powers) by which God works out his redemptive and judicial purposes leading up to the end. Rather than the belief of an imminent return of Christ, it is held that a number of historical events (e.g., the rise of the Beast and the False Prophet) must take place before Christ's Second Coming. This Second Coming will be accompanied by the resurrection and rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18); this will inaugurate the millennial reign of Christ. The Jewish nation, while being perfectly able to join the church in the belief of a true faith in Christ, has no distinct redemptive plan as they would in the dispensational perspective. The duration of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:1-6) is unsure: literal or metaphorical."
-- From the thread Four Views on the Millennium
To believe [the world will wax worse and worse and lawlessness will increase until the Great Tribulation], you must conclude that either A) Transformed lives don't accomplish jack squat when working in groups, meaning groups can't be transformed B) God doesn't plan on transforming lives in the future, or b) The "transformed life" is but a temporary phenomena.
-- Alex Murphy, November 9, 2007
And Jesus answering saith unto them, "Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall watch the mountain groweth before him until it fills the whole earth, even unto crushing all the saints beneath it, yet yeah verily ye will declareth victory over whatsoever ye saith until death.Catholic Cleric: Jesus Cancelled Biblical ‘Chosen People’Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and keep ye deluding yourselves until that day when I will return unto you and finally accomplish Myself what ye could not do in My Name.
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-- Mark 11:22-24, Pretrib Dispensational Version
Helpful articles on Replacement Theology:
What About the Land Promises to Israel?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatAboutTheLandPromi.pdf
The Israel Of God
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-TheIsraelOfGod.pdf
Replacement Theology and the Epistle of Peter
by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Fruchtenbaum-ReplacementTheologya.pdf
What Is Replacement Theology?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatisReplacementThe.pdf
Neo-Replacement Theology
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-NeoReplacementTheolo1.pdf
An Analysis of Neo-Replacement Theology
by Dr. Michael J. Vlach
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Vlach-AnAnalysisofNeoRepla.pdf
replacement theology.
"Shibboleth!"
(Use of the term "replacement theology" is a reliable marker. Dispensationalist hedgehogs use it, noone else.)
- Romans 14:5-6, 13, 22
Scripture gives us the mind of God if we will only listen and take Him at His word!
Okay ... supersessionism is a lie of the devil, then ... is that better?
And accomplish it he has. Think of how many people who would have come to Christ through hearing prophetic Scripture will now not even consider it and will spend eternity separated from God.
Satan's use of Harold Camping will reap great dividends.
Indeed. Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear GiovannaNicoletta!
Me: "You appear to have a wish to be argumentative. I do not."Siena, you are coming across as not just a n00b, but a rude n00b... very naughty.You: "Too bad you do not find Paul's classifying the church as the "true Israel" and the "true circumcision" as persuasive. And yet you tell me to take it up with Paul? That is truly funny. I think perhaps you need to look in the mirror and say those very words to yourself since you ignore his words."
Reagan: "... there he goes again..."
You should, instead, be preparing for the end of the world. After the destruction that is coming at 6pm tonight, you can personally discuss these things with Paul in person over tea and some manna crackers...
best,
ampu
i don’t follow Camping. if he wasn’t influenced by Jesus saying no one knows the day or hour, i don’t think Luther, Calvin or Augustine had much influence either.
God washes his hands of all those that reject Jesus and His Body on earth, The Church. It doesn’t matter if they are Jewish, Irish, English, German, Chinese, etc. God is not a respecter of persons.
Hitler’s main problem with Catholicism is he didn’t believe or accept anything it taught. Other than that little issue, i guess he was fine with it.
And just how do you know doing evil was in Camping's heart? His predictions are the logical end to end of the world doctrine.
Your raptureready.com site is no better than Camping.
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