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NY's top Catholic officials seek to halt Senate vote on legalizing gay marriage (freep poll)
NY Daily News ^ | 15 Jun 2011 | GLENN BLAIN AND KENNETH LOVETT

Posted on 06/15/2011 7:52:47 AM PDT by Cronos

"The stampede is on," Archibishop Timothy Dolan wrote in a blog post. "Our elected senators who have stood courageous in their refusal to capitulate on the state's presumption to redefine marriage are reporting unrelenting pressure to cave-in."

He equated the move to allow same-sex marriage to life in China or North Korea, where "government presumes daily to 'redefine' rights, relationships, values and natural law."

Meanwhile, New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, an evangelical Christian group, warned that Republicans who support gay marriage will face primaries next year as the GOP seeks to keep control of the chamber.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; cuomo; freep; gay; homosexualagenda; newyork; northkorea; ny; pinkmafia; poll
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Freepers -- PLEASE FREEP the poll at the link. This asks Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage? and right now shamefully it is 71% FOR gay marriage.
1 posted on 06/15/2011 7:52:55 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Gamecock; xzins; paladin1_dcs; redgolum; Belteshazzar; TaraP; Quix; metmom; boatbums; ...
Freepers -- PLEASE FREEP the poll at the link. This asks Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage? and right now shamefully it is 71% FOR gay marriage.

Only a freep can switch this. help needed

2 posted on 06/15/2011 7:54:52 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos
Poll
3 posted on 06/15/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Poll Results

Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage?

Yes 78%
No 21%
I'm not sure 1%

4 posted on 06/15/2011 8:03:50 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos; maica; Albion Wilde; <1/1,000,000th%; 1000 silverlings; 1035rep; 109ACS; 11Bush; ...

Vote no -— NOW.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 8:15:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Please.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I did. This thing is probably being hit by all the cross-dressing Weiners out there in la-la land of New York...


6 posted on 06/15/2011 8:22:57 AM PDT by bcsco (A cross-dressed Weiner turns it into a Frank[furt]...)
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To: Cronos

Yes at 77% but not total numbers.

And here I thought there was supposed to be separation of church and state.


7 posted on 06/15/2011 8:28:20 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Cronos

Yes 77/23.


8 posted on 06/15/2011 8:28:22 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: Cronos

Ah but the NY sophisticates are so hip to stand with Gays and their perverted ‘marriages’. Forget Sodom, never mind Gomorrah—those fairy tales of the past from the non-existant ‘god’.
Pity the fools who say and promote their no god mantra.
Truth will ultimately be revealed and expect lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth. Its the truly intelligent and wise who believe in the Almighty One!


9 posted on 06/15/2011 8:30:35 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTT


10 posted on 06/15/2011 8:30:43 AM PDT by E.G.C. (Edward's Soft Rock Playlist: On Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=A7A56731DE671E6A)
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To: Cronos

Hideous.


11 posted on 06/15/2011 8:36:51 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for the heads up.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 8:42:34 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

done - thx


13 posted on 06/15/2011 8:45:51 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Done!


14 posted on 06/15/2011 8:47:49 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

RE: Vote no -— NOW.

The problem is it isn’t a referendum where the people of New York get to vote on the issue. It is LEGISLATORS prodded by the Governor, who are voting on this issue, regardless of whether or not, it reflects the people’s will or not.

And even if we were to go on a referendum, very often ( see California ), the gay lobby challenges the result if it goes against what they want, in court.

And if I know NY, the courts WILL vote to overturn the will of the people.


15 posted on 06/15/2011 8:49:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

As of this post, the YES votes outnumber the NO votes 76% to 24%.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 8:52:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is better to try to do something, and fail, than to try to do nothing, and succeed.


17 posted on 06/15/2011 8:52:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anybody with more than one computer should try to vote twice. I’ve voted on 2 computers, and I’ll hit a 3rd one when I get to work this afternnoon.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 8:54:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SeekAndFind

Even if there was a popular vote, I’m not sure NY would vote for a “gay marriage” amendment. It would be really close in any case. Maine barely repealed pro “gay marriage” law by 53% this year.

Freegards


19 posted on 06/15/2011 9:07:45 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cronos

The perverts are organized and on this poll.


20 posted on 06/15/2011 9:09:28 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Cronos

Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage?

Yes 75%

No 25%

I’m not sure 0%


21 posted on 06/15/2011 9:10:17 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses

Ping.


22 posted on 06/15/2011 9:25:36 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...

We need some weapons-grade FReepin’ on this poll.

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin’, if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

I’m handling Dynachrome’s FReep a Poll pings until he returns. Errors and omissions during that time are solely my fault and should cease upon his return.


23 posted on 06/15/2011 9:37:21 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: Cronos

For Pete’s sake, this is a NEWSPAPER poll! It means absolutely nothing!!!


24 posted on 06/15/2011 9:38:29 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: fwdude
True, it means nothing more than fluff, but it's good for the pinkos to realise that the majority disagree with them and are willing to stand up against them

it's the symbolism of the thing.

25 posted on 06/15/2011 9:45:04 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrz&#261;szcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego s&#322;ynie.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for voting.

Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage?
Yes 74%
No 26%
I’m not sure 0%

This is NOT representative of the majority of Americans. It’s been slammed by perverts and the godless.


26 posted on 06/15/2011 10:46:03 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: sr4402

Yes 74%
No 26%
I’m not sure 0%


27 posted on 06/15/2011 10:47:05 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: tflabo

It’s an election promise of Cuomo’s - seems he is pushing it and whining/dining the GOP. Wonder if Archibishop Timothy Dolan brought catholic cuomo to the woodshed, yet, for him doing the devil’s work.


28 posted on 06/15/2011 10:51:41 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: Cronos
Voted "NO"!

I'm from Massachusetts! I'm not used to getting a vote on this!

It felt good!

29 posted on 06/15/2011 11:18:01 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Cronos; AZ .44 MAG

Do you think the state Senate should pass a law legalizing gay marriage?

Yes
73%

No
26%


30 posted on 06/15/2011 11:28:51 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Done. It is still pretty bad 76% yes verse 24% no.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 12:22:41 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Just did.......73% no and 25% yes.


32 posted on 06/15/2011 12:23:51 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: bgill
And here I thought there was supposed to be separation of church and state.

Yes ... there is.

The State cannot dictate how the Church shall run its affairs, nor can the State dictate which of many competing "churches" will receive favor and sanction.

The Church, however, as a private organization of citizens, may voice its institutional opinion as to what the State should do ... likewise the members of the Church, as individual citizens may both voice their opinions and exercise their franchise according to their consciences.

Separation of Church and State doesn't mean what many folks think it means.

33 posted on 06/15/2011 12:29:59 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cronos
PLEASE FREEP the poll at the link.

Freeping a poll doesn't really help. Better to contact the politicians. Info posted on my latest thread.

34 posted on 06/15/2011 12:31:44 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... this is a Christian nation”....... United States Supreme Court 1892.


35 posted on 06/15/2011 12:35:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: TheOldLady

I don’t think they’re counting our votes....it’s still at 27%....appears it’s rigged already.


36 posted on 06/15/2011 12:40:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: ArrogantBustard

The state should not be making laws regarding religious sacraments.


37 posted on 06/15/2011 12:42:48 PM PDT by bgill
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To: caww

That would be typical, wouldn’t it. Why would they treat a poll any different than they treat elections?


38 posted on 06/15/2011 12:43:59 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT Lightning ping list.)
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To: Cronos

Evidently there are more gays than straights:(


39 posted on 06/15/2011 12:49:12 PM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: TheOldLady

Yep....besides few things can be trusted as polls. It was not til two years ago anyone asked me what I thought...but anymore my phone rings frequently with politicians calling for money, or town hall meeting, or phone chats. etc.


40 posted on 06/15/2011 12:53:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: Cronos

My Senator is already on board against it. He has even proposed legislation to not recognize other states gay marriages here, but he’s getting his ass kicked in the Press with some bull in it. NY sucks and is going down the crapper. I am at a point in my life where I can move to PA, and I may just do it.


41 posted on 06/15/2011 1:52:58 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Cronos

And don’t forget... it is a NY Daily Snooze poll so it’s going to be slanted, but the whole state is slanting left with the city dems moving upstate for easier welfare...


42 posted on 06/15/2011 1:54:47 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Cronos

I voted NO! Please, everyone, help stop this nonsense. Our rights are being taken away from us one by one at an ever increasing pace. Young people are being recruited every day to be gay. Now they are being RAISED by gay parents to be gay.


43 posted on 06/15/2011 2:05:14 PM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: All
Oh!!!!.... They finally woke up???????

What could have caused such a "drastic" change? /SARCASM!

The RCC should have been doing this at least 10 years ago...had they not been so busy hiding the perverts... "you know..."

I do hope this "new" concern is for "real" and not just for show!

(sorry for being a "tad" bitter...)

44 posted on 06/15/2011 2:44:44 PM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: ElPatriota; NYer; MarkBsnr; Titanites

your tagline is pretty outdated looking at this headline..


45 posted on 06/15/2011 3:56:34 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrz&#261;szcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego s&#322;ynie.)
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To: ElPatriota
I'm sure you must feel bitter by the way in which the bishops earlier ignored the 3-4% of bad priests, however take heart, change is happening and change is and can be driven by us.

Even at the darkest hour, the majority of the clergy were uncorrupted

But now, the Church needs people like you, deeply believing, religious, indignant folks

Let me just say this -- curses on the 3% of criminals that were priests who abused children. I am glad they are thrown out and glad that there are stricter norms today (see the suspension of Corapi on mere suspicion and accusation sans proof) and am saddened that this was not done earlier (either due to liberal ideas that pscyhology could help or other reasons).

however, I do not see this affecting my beliefs or the dogma or doctrines of The Church.

I note also that this is not something embedded in the clergy, despite what our media wants us to believe

Even in the worst dioceses only 2-3% of priests were accused (in the lib hell-holes of Philly and Chicago). Let's assume all were guilty, that still means only 3% of priest.

Do not condemn the rest of the priests for the actions of the few.

This is not endemic -- note the many good priests and bishops, especially those being appointed now. They need our help. Note also that we are Catholics, we are not a personality driven MegaChurch that rises or falls based on a pastor -- our High Priest is Christ Himself.

If we have a sin filled priest (and hey, they are human after all), that matters not. If they are criminals boot them in prison, that doesn't affect our Church. If they can't preach, that matters not.

Because we look beyond this human vessel and focus on Christ in the Eucharist

During our Holy Prayer to God, what do we have?

  1. We enter in holding aloft the Word of God, singing praises to God
  2. We hear the Word of God, we meditate on this
  3. we sing praises to God, recite glorious psalms, dwell our thoughts on God
  4. and then, my friend, we experience a marvelous, miraculous experience, the Eucharist! Why is it all of this? Because we witness God's sacrifice, His giving of Himself to us, we look on in awe at Jesus Christ, our Lord, God and Savior in the Eucharist, fulfilling His promise to us and giving us the graces in communion
  5. We recite the Nicene Creed acknowledging our Triune God
  6. We pray to the Father as Jesus taught us to pray
  7. We experience the blessings of the Holy Spirit, the grace, the freely given grace granted through the Spirit.
  8. We pray in silence, contemplating this supernatural experience
  9. We greet one another, brothers and sisters, all sharing in this ONE experience along with millions of our brothers and sisters across the world, stretching back to the Apostles and forward to His return
  10. We leave the Church with joy, Christ in our hearts and the Holy Spirit indwelling in us with the grace of the Father.

oh, my friend in Christ, we are blessed to have experienced this -- and where does the minister figure in all of this? He is just a tool, a means. God uses splendid tools or weak ones, but they are just tools

What is at the centre of our Churches? Not like in others, the pulpit, glorifying the preacher, but in Our Church the center-piece is the altar with the Eucharist, the Bible and the Cross, remembering us of Our Risen Lord, His sacrifice and His Word

Arise, let us take back our Church Catholic.

46 posted on 06/15/2011 4:06:39 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrz&#261;szcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego s&#322;ynie.)
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To: Cronos

71-28.


47 posted on 06/15/2011 4:30:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

bumpbump. Keep voting folks!


48 posted on 06/15/2011 4:35:05 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi

This is truly sad....bump


49 posted on 06/15/2011 4:37:11 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Cronos; wideawake; All
Unfortunately, we've all let this happen by allowing religion to be redefined from ultimate, absolute truth into subjective ethno-cultural heritage. Once upon a time to invoke "religion" as the reason for a position was the ultimate justification. Now people reject it as the ultimate non-reason. This very day I had an argument with some people elsewhere on the web and their position was that you can't base such things on "religion." A whole generation or two or three has grown up not knowing what "religion" is.

When "religion" says that such-and-such a practice is wrong and sinful, it isn't communicating a charming ethno-cultural taboo. It isn't expressing an opinion. It is stating absolute truth. But things have gotten so screwy nowadays that liberals dismiss any and all religious appeals because "imagine if religion taught discrimination against Blacks." In other words, "religion" is an absolutely groundless rationale to the modern mind--yet those same modern minds never seem to consider that there is no other valid foundation for our laws!

Liberals have spent over a century discrediting G-d with "science" in order to do away with His "oppressive" rules, yet they never seem to have considered that the universe, rendered a meaningless material phenomenon of physical causes and effects, renders their own morality stupid and groundless as well. If the universe doesn't care if I'm "gay," it doesn't care if I'm a "bigot" either!

I'm afraid that with a population absolutely convinced that religion has absolutely nothing to say about anything--and who can't seem to think critically about the similar groundlessness of their own liberal moral concerns--we are doomed. We're going to have to change the way people think!

Even here on Free Republic people appeal to men and to human tradition as a valid reason to reject "gay marriage." It isn't. Homosexuality isn't wrong because it's "un-American," or because George Washington would have been scandalized, or because it is contrary to the traditions of the pilgrim fathers or because "this is a chr*stian country." It is wrong for one and only one reason: it has been declared so by G-d. We've got to stop being ashamed of that rationale. We've got to stop appealing to "constitutional rights" as the basis of morality. And we've got to stop appealing to John Locke, "western civilization," or anything else!

Yet conservatives allow liberals to play them like a fiddle. One minute we're invoking G-d against sin, the next we're appealing to Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine as a defense against moslem "theocracy." Make up your minds, people!!! Conservative chr*stians who demand that moslems abandon their "theocratic" convictions are no different from Orthodox Jews who demand that chr*stians stop evangelizing.

Unfortunately, "separation of church and state" really only makes sense in a Protestant context. What such "separation" really originally meant was that no one is required to be "saved." It never meant religious strictures could not serve as law. Because Protestantism uniquely assigns to the church only the mission of "saving souls" and depends on the secular state to enforce moral law it has to make such a distinction. Before Protestantism there was no such thing as "religion" apart from the rest of life (though it was hinted at in earlier chr*stianity's dichotomy between G-d and Caesar, G-d and the "world," etc.).

When non-Protestants--members of religions that teach all-embracing moral codes rather than merely "getting saved"--accept the Protestant notion of "separation of church and state" they are naturally preparing the ground for the current idea that religious moral codes cannot serve as the basis of secular law (though liberals never seem to wonder why their hang-ups about "social justice" do). Jews, who learned by experience not to get into religious quarrels with chr*stians during the Middle Ages, long ago adopted secular rationales as the only way to make their points ("you should let us practice our religion so you and everyone else can be free to do as you wish as well"). And American Catholicism adopted Protestant separationism in the only way it could--by becoming the subjective heritage of certain ethnic groups rather than a universal religion with claims on all people (such a concept is "un-American"). It is no wonder the American Catholic Church can't excommunicate liberal politicians; the Catholic Church is the birthright of everyone with an Irish, Italian, or Spanish surname, and you can't kick anyone out of an ethnic group!

All of us are guilty for the situation in which we find ourself. Every one of us. America's Fundamentalist Protestants, just like everyone else, turned their religion into an ethnic heritage, treating jim crow as though it were from Heaven and the American redneck as if he were the chosen people. Catholicism not only ethnicized its religion but defined itself against those awful ignorant bigoted people who don't understand that religious truth is not factual but profound and symbolic. Eastern Orthodoxy and other even more exotic forms of chr*stianity are non-factors. Though present in this country they live in ethnic ghettos and refuse to take part in any of these controversies (when have you heard of a Coptic, Armenian, or Assyrian clergyman address these issues?). And as for the Jews . . . well, everything that happens in the world ultimately is for the sake of Israel, and how the vast majority of Jews have redefined Judaism from the covenant with Israel made at Sinai to a sort of Lenny Bruce/Weimar Republic decadence in the face of "chr*stian prudes" is too well known to need explication.

Americans are allergic to the word "theocracy." But what is G-d's universe if not a Theocracy? What is the law against murder or theft but a primitive Theocratic regulation no different from laws against homosexuality or the laws of animal sacrifice? This rot has been a long time coming. It is not the work of a few decades or a few centuries, but of millenia. By de-throning G-d as the King of the Universe and making Him a "spiritual" entity (a feat of which conservatives boast in their attacks on islam) we made this inevitable.

Ultimately, all agree that eventually G-d will rule and there will be no secular rationale with which to oppose His decrees. But until then the fact that we all believe different things (something considered beyond the pale of conversation in polite company because religion is subjective and besides, "chr*stianity built western civilization"), we're going to have to find a more creative way to honor G-d without "oppressing" our fellow man. Each and every Orthodox Jew lives in a portable Theocracy, and no one feels threatened (unfortunately). Is there some way the rest of us can adopt a similar tack? Perhaps the various religious communities could organize as governments united under some sort of common federal system. There has to be some way to enable each of us to live in subjection to the laws of G-d in a "pluralist" context. If you haven't noticed, the Left doesn't just want "gay marriage"--THEY WANT ALL OF US IMPLICATED IN IT! That's the whole point; they want to force us to violate the laws of G-d. Any system which didn't threaten them, but which would leave our consciences unmolested, is something they would oppose tooth and nail because their whole purpose is to molest our consciences.

As dumbed down as the average modern person has become about religion, is it possible to appeal to him to support a system in which those of us who care about such things are not implicated in the G-dlessness and schmutz the liberals are so fond of? Would the refusal of the hard core left to accept anything short of forcing us to violate our consciences wake the average non-Theocrat up?

Whether portable, ethnic, communal, "voluntary," or whatever, we need to find a way to allow those of us who fear G-d to follow His laws in this evil society. It isn't enough to "take back the culture" or "take back the country" (a country founded by deists?) or to appeal to "western civilization" or to northwestern European descended people (as if G-d's laws were civilizational, racial, or utilitarian). We have GOT to try something new! The old ways don't work any more! "Religious freedom" has destroyed them!

I may have my head taken off for this post, but there has to be someone out there who can contribute to a situation where acknowledgment G-d's absolute sovereignty and Kingship is allowed to exist. Ultimately this isn't about homosexuality. It's about G-d and G-d's place as the foundation of everything. A nation can have a law against homosexuality and still not acknowledge G-d (after all, we live in a society that outlaws murder for purely pragmatic reasons and not out of submission to G-d's Commandments).

What are we gonna do about it, people?

PS: This was composed at the keyboard. Please excuse any mistypes.

50 posted on 06/15/2011 4:53:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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