Skip to comments.The Early Church Fathers on the Scriptures: These Words are the Word of God [Ecumenical]
Posted on 09/19/2011 4:49:23 PM PDT by Salvation
Working to finish a short series on the Early Church Fathers and Scripture that I started before I broke my arm.
The Early Church Fathers on the Scriptures: The Four Gospels [Ecumenical]
The Early Church Fathers on the Scriptures: The Scriptures are one book in Christ [Ecumenical]
The Early Church Fathers on Scripture: The Nourishing Bread of Scripture [Ecumenical]
The Early Church Fathers on the Scriptures: Reading Scripture with the Early Church Fathers [Ecumenical]
Fathers of the Church
Abortion and the Early Church [Fathers] (Catholic & Orthodox Caucus)
Why do Catholics always talk about the Early Church Fathers (Apostolic Fathers)?[Ecumenical]
The Church Fathers' Marian Interpretation of the Old Testament (Catholic Caucus)
Writings of the Fathers of the Church
THE CHURCH FATHERS: A DOOR TO ROME (fundamentalist warns saying they sound too Catholic)
Were the Church Fathers Closer to Protestantism Than to Catholicism?
The Faith of Our Fathers
The Early Church Fathers on the Assumption [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Look to the Church Fathers to Shed Light on Modern Problems, Writes the Pope
Origen: The Privileged Path to Knowing God Is Love
On Origen of Alexandria: He Was a True Teacher (April 25, 2007)
St. Clement of Alexandria: One of the Great Promoters of Dialogue Between Faith and Reason (April 18, 2007)
St. Irenaeus of Lyons: The First Great Theologian of the Church (March 28, 2007)
Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday
St. Justin Martyr: He Considered Christianity the True Philosophy (March 21, 2007)
Truly a Doctor of Unity (St. Ignatius of Antioch) (March 14, 2007)
On St. Clement of Rome -The Church Has a Sacramental, Not Political Structure (March 7, 2007)
Quotes from the Early Church Fathers
The Early Church Fathers on Baptism - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Justification - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Marys Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on the Immaculate Conception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Confession / Reconciliation - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Real Presence - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Intercession of the Saints - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Hell - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Primacy of Peter/Rome (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
The Early Church Fathers on The Mother of God - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Marys Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Apostolic Succession - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Church (Catholic Caucus)
The Early Church Fathers
I'm not sure I would agree with this statement. The Jews were exceptionally careful to copy the scriptures down exactly as it had been given. One would think that if there was some concern as to whether the Torah was inspired, the Jews would not have gone through the trouble. The issue wasn't so much whether the writings were inspired. Rather it was the interpretation of the writings (which we still have today).
Catholics, however, hold to the belief that ALL scripture is divinely inspired. I think Protestants do too.
How is your arm doing now?
I’ve been typing without the wrist brace all afternoon. Even did a Publisher document to thank everyone for their support of the Ministry Fair that I recently co-chaired.
You talk about historical accounts and folk tales and fables. Care to explain?
Why not read it and then ask questions, and see if the NAB in this regard is consistent with how the NT treats such, and even how conservative RCS overall see them?
The Bishop's list the bible but not the footnotes on their website. The person who your are quoting is a famous ant-cathoic apologist. Dave Armstrong has counter arguements against him.
Oh boy! My spelling is terrible. I am tired. I am going to bed. Good night.
Praise be to God!
But any of the Fathers are like a breath of clear, fresh air compared to the majority of what passes for God-talk these days. Anyone who talks smack on them hasn't read them.
>The Bishop’s list the bible but not the footnotes on their website. The person who your are quoting is a famous ant-cathoic apologist. Dave Armstrong has counter arguements against him.<
Actually, I see the footnotes on the web site, such as
“The Red Sea: the traditional translation, cf. Septuagint and other Versions; but the Hebrew literally means sea of reeds or reedy sea, which could probably be applied to a number of bodies of shallow water, most likely somewhat to the north of the present deep Red Sea.” (http://www.usccb.org/bible/ex/10:19)
As for the 2nd statement and attempting to attribute this exposure to an anti-Catholic, in this section i am not quoting Jason, if that is who you are referring to, but the NAB itself, which i found by myself when reading it, as well as referencing an RC source which likewise is critical of the NAB. This is a more comprehensive criticism by RCA Ben Douglass (once VP at Robert Sungeniss CAI, but who later split) but apparently it is no longer retrieval at the Internet archive i linked to, but i actually found it on FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1179305/posts and is also on the web site of Armstrong himself: http://www.pugiofidei.com/NAB.htm
More here: http://www.bible-researcher.com/links09.html
Many in RC scholarship is in the same league, but which is not limited to them, as mainline Protestants is marked by such as well. “Hath God said.”
I did not see that level as much in NAB as I did years ago. Thanks for sharing.
The Holy Father himself is buckling against the historical-critical method. The problem with the commentators. They think they should have the final word about the meaning of Scripture. The Holy Father says, not so fast. His volumes on Jesus have met with dismissive remarks from the confraternity of Biblical schools. He has said, that my word—as Joseph Ratzinger—is not final either. But as pope he is saying—and this they must accept—that one must approach the Bible as a believer, or one will not understand what the Bible is truly saying. You MUST be open to the Holy Spirit, or all the tools of scholarship will not help you discern the truth.
Luther and Calvin also relied on the Fathers, although they did not put as much stock in their authority as Catholics did. Both Reformers and the Catholic theologian Jansen put too much stress on Augustine’s views, and not enough on those of the Greek Fathers.
That is very useful! Thank you.
As for the Greek Fathers, without St. Athanasius we would not have the Nicene creed; that is no small thing. We owe him a debt at least as big as that which we owe to Augustine. An Arian church would have been every bit as unrecognizable as a Pelagian church.
I just found Origen's statement:
Before Christ it was not possible to produce decisive arguments for the inspiration of the Old Testament.
rather curious. Origen at times held some strange views but this was not uncommon for the early church fathers who were trying to piece together their theology into a coherent understanding. But I would have thought the early fathers would have recognized the inspiration of the Old Testament was well established by our Jewish fathers before the time of Christ. I suspect Origen is saying something that simply is not clicking with me.
A honest reply John, and i have debated at least one RC apologist here who holds to the liberal school.
I just read some of your homepage. Just think if we could have today a fast like Lincoln declared.
Just think if we could have a President at least like Lincoln, who would faint if he read the Revealing Statistics page above that one, quantifying costs of the War against God.
But until the born again evangelical church seeks God like once did, rather than being at ease in Zion - and i need to do more - then the country is doomed. But the body of Christ and the country are not the same thing, and the latter can go to dust while a remnant shall be saved
The real revival will start after natural chaos or war in USA. I am sad to believe will be our true path in this america. Soon.
I almost wrote that in my response.
“I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.” (Hosea 5:15)
“Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him.4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.” (Hosea 8:3-4)
“I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.” (Hosea 8:12)
“And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan.” (2 Chronicles 34:15)
“Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath given me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king. And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the law, that he rent his clothes.” (2 Chronicles 34:18-19)
“Go, enquire of the Lord for me, and for them that are left in Israel and in Judah, concerning the words of the book that is found: for great is the wrath of the Lord that is poured out upon us, because our fathers have not kept the word of the Lord, to do after all that is written in this book.” (2 Chronicles 34:21)
The scriptures are the supreme standard for truth and obedience, but America (we) has turned to lying vanities, forsaking her own mercy. (cf. Jonah 2:8)