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First Things - Purgatory for Everyone
First Things ^ | April 2002 | Jerry L. Walls

Posted on 10/30/2011 11:29:04 AM PDT by narses

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1 posted on 10/30/2011 11:29:07 AM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 10/30/2011 11:30:22 AM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses

Thanks.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 11:34:37 AM PDT by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: narses

If there is a purgatory, it’s here on earth and we are living it.


4 posted on 10/30/2011 11:37:02 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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Purgatory isn’t needed in Jesus promise of salvation through his grace alone. It is however, critical if an earthly royal leader needs a way to control people while they are still alive. This is why the Roman church invented it. Jesus way has nothing to do with 3 to 5 in afterlife prison before getting into heaven.


5 posted on 10/30/2011 11:43:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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“Purgatory” , NOPE

Heaven vs Hell , YEP

Christ said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

He did not say wait a while till I make up my mind.


6 posted on 10/30/2011 11:48:01 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: narses
Pray for Jerry L. Walls
to seek YHvH in His WORD.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

7 posted on 10/30/2011 11:49:17 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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According to Christian theology, the options were heaven, purgatory, or hell.

Incorrect. Jesus did not teach of Purgatory, nor did the Apostles or the early church father. In fact, a couple hundred years passed before a pope moved the teaching of the Catholic church away from scripture and incorporated the pagan concept into scripture. Thus it is NOT Christian theology, it is Catholic theology.

8 posted on 10/30/2011 11:51:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: narses

All those words and never once to scripture? Pitiable if not pathetic.


9 posted on 10/30/2011 11:53:27 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Texas Fossil

Ever notice how Christianity and the USA have a big similarity? Both have an original document thats clear enough for a 10 year old to understand. Only in the hands of constitutional attorneys and religious scholars does it become exceedingly complex,,,,
In both cases,, they are trying to put the britches on us.


10 posted on 10/30/2011 11:55:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Good post.


11 posted on 10/30/2011 12:03:51 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: narses

Thankfully, Hebrews 10:10 eliminates the need for purgatory.

Either Christ’s sacrifice “once for all” is sufficient or it is not.

Bless your day.


12 posted on 10/30/2011 12:08:26 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Barack suffers from ADD -- "Additional Deficit Disorder".)
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To: DesertRhino

Damn good arguement, and amazingly accurate.


13 posted on 10/30/2011 12:09:58 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sherrif in town.)
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To: DesertRhino

Correct. The usual motives.


14 posted on 10/30/2011 12:11:18 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: DesertRhino

Another good and logical point, how long before you go off the tracks? he he


15 posted on 10/30/2011 12:12:56 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sherrif in town.)
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To: narses

“As Nobile observed, this remark implied Diana was in purgatory.”

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Nobile doesn’t know what he is talking about — no one but God knows the condition that Diana’s soul was in. Everything else is but idle speculation.


16 posted on 10/30/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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Sigh.....................will they ever learn?

Many are called but few are chosen.

So many Protestants are going to be surprised at the moment of their death when they find Christ sending them to Purgatory. Actually that’s good news, because eventually they will enter heaven after being purified for all that they did not make amends for on earth.


17 posted on 10/30/2011 12:16:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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First Things - Purgatory for Everyone
What the Church means by Purgatory
Radio Replies Second Volume - Purgatory
Purgatory Exists. And It Burns
The Month of November: Thoughts on the "Last Things"
To Trace All Souls Day (Protestants vs Catholics)
Radio Replies First Volume - Purgatory
The Doctrine of Purgatory [Ecumenical]
The Heroic Act [Catholic-Orthodox Caucus] (Offering everything for the Souls in Purgatory)
MONTLIGEON MIRACLE: HOW PRIEST TURNED INTO 'TRAVELING SALESMAN' OF PURGATORY

IN BRUSH WITH DEATH, PRIEST SHOWN HELL, PURGATORY, DEGREES OF SUFFERING
Praying for the Dead [All Souls Day] (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Purgatory: Service Shop for Heaven [Ecumernical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Purgatory: What Does It Mean? [Ecumenical]
OF GUARDIAN ANGELS AND THE ROLE THEY PLAY NOT JUST ON EARTH BUT IN PURGATORY [Catholic Caucus]
IN ANNALS OF SAINTS IS CONVERT'S STRIKING DEDICATION TO THOSE SOULS IN PURGATORY [Catholic Caucus]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
PURIFYING THE SOUL ON EARTH IS WORTH 100X WHAT IT TAKES AFTER [Catholic Caucus] What Happens After Death?
Purgatory
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 12: Purgatory

The Doctrine of Purgatory
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.
(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory
Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?
Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?
Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)
Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory
The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory
Praying for the dead [Purgatory]

18 posted on 10/30/2011 12:20:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DesertRhino
Hey purgatory mass (Gregorian Mass) is big business! My uncle had his estate pay the church to pray him out of purgatory.

The practice of Gregorian Masses goes back to a tradition hailing from Pope St. Gregory the Great (540-604). According to legend, a deceased monk appeared and requested 30 Masses to be celebrated for the release of his soul from purgatory. On completion of the stipulated days he appeared once more radiant in heavenly glory. From this legend the practice of celebrating 30 consecutive Masses for one and the same person with the intention of procuring release from purgatory became an established custom which has been regulated in various ways over the centuries.
19 posted on 10/30/2011 12:36:46 PM PDT by TSgt (Legal Disclaimer: View my profile at your own risk)
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To: DesertRhino
Purgatory isn’t needed in Jesus promise of salvation through his grace alone.

Yet for some silly reason Jesus seemed to think it important for Peter to reverse his thrice denial....hmmmmm?

I guess "grace" means. never having to say you're sorry.

20 posted on 10/30/2011 12:42:54 PM PDT by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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