Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism
Virtue Online ^ | 11-28-11 | Dr, Michael Youssef

Posted on 11/30/2011 7:16:29 AM PST by ReformationFan

A number of years ago, I was on Larry King Live and was asked point blank if I had a problem with the appointments of Justices Roberts and Alito (both areRoman Catholics). My answer was very clear that I did not, as long as they shared my own conviction of upholding the Constitution - not trying to rewrite it - and as long as they were committed to the biblical values of the Founding Fathers. I was certain that both men were.

Many people today are quoting a statement reputedly made by Martin Luther, the great reformer, that he "would rather be ruled by a competent Turk (a Muslim) than an incompetent Christian." First of all, there is no evidence whatsoever that Martin Luther ever said these words. But even if he did say them, it would have been a gross exaggeration used to make a point. He never lived under a Muslim ruler and did not know what that would be like. But I did. And I can tell you, there is no such thing as choosing between Muslim and non-Muslim leaders under Islam.

In America, we have the great privilege of choosing candidates based on our core values, rather than how they identify with our theological point of view.

In looking at some of the candidates for the 2012 election, one cannot help but notice the controversies that have arisen regarding the Mormon religion. As I considered Luther's quote and the concerns regarding electing a Mormon president, I noticed some peculiar similarities between the Mormon faith and Islam as they relate to orthodox Christianity.

It's hard to believe that two religions that are worlds apart geographically have so many things in common.

Here are some examples:

1. Both believe that Christianity was corrupt and incomplete until their respective founders came on the scene. For Islam, it was Muhammad; for Mormons, it was Joseph Smith.

2. They both have their own book of "sacred scripture." While both tip their hats to the Bible, each see God's Word as insufficient by itself. Both Islam and Mormonism use many biblical themes, narratives and personalities. But the Qur'an draws heavily from the apocryphal books rather than the authoritative cannon of the Bible.

3. In both cases, Islam and Mormonism see their religion as complete within itself. Above all, both repudiate biblical Christianity and identify orthodox Christianity as a false faith.

4. Both religions reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The Mormon's concept of god includes many gods, not just one. Muslims view god as one, but as an aloof, remote god who could never become a man or relate to humanity. Allah can have mercy if he wants to, but he is also a cunning god.

5. Both religions reject the Bible as the sole and sufficient authority of faith. For Mormons, the Book of Mormon and other writings of the Latter Day Saints represent God's final revelation. For Muslims, the Qur'an and the Sunna (traditions of Muhammad) constitute God's final authoritative word.

6. They both reject the biblical teaching of original sin. Muslims believe Adam did not become completely depraved after disobeying God; he merely slipped but quickly recovered. Therefore to Muslims, humanity does not need redemption. Salvation in Islam is very uncertain, even when keeping the Five Tenants of Islam; although some teach that jihad will help in that quest for salvation. Mormons believe that they are not condemned by what many call "original sin." In other words, they are not accountable for Adam's transgression in the Garden of Eden.

Here are two questions Christians must ask when considering political candidates:

First, has the candidate been consistent in his/her political and moral values, or is he/she pandering? Second, has the candidate upheld their philosophical convictions throughout their public and private life, or did they change their political convictions to suit their audience?

All believers need to be good stewards and spend time in deep prayer before exercising their right to vote. God will give us wisdom so that we will not be persuaded by the slickest and the cleverest. We can trust Him to help us choose those who have proven core values.


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: dr; drmichaelyoussef; islam; martinluther; michaelyoussef; mohammedanism; mormonism; youssef
I find this quote particularly insightful: "3. In both cases, Islam and Mormonism see their religion as complete within itself. Above all, both repudiate biblical Christianity and identify orthodox Christianity as a false faith."
1 posted on 11/30/2011 7:16:36 AM PST by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

Hmmmm, such logic is worthy of someone who studies marshmallow roasting.

After all, there are so many more comparisons...both religions have members who breathe, eat, and take smelly Obamas afterwards....etc, etc.

However, I really cannot find any references to Mormon jihad, any Mormon suicide bombers, any Mormon burkas in recent literature.

We do not need to knock Mormons to find reasons to exclude RINOmney from any consideration for political office.

He is simply a wimp. A career nothing. Someone who’d flunk any demanding university class. In other words, he is a politician.


2 posted on 11/30/2011 7:22:16 AM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
Both were started by crazy people with illusions of grandeur.
3 posted on 11/30/2011 7:23:01 AM PST by dog breath
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

Excellent. Sure way to get everyon’e hate juices flowing on a tuesday.


4 posted on 11/30/2011 7:23:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

These six points are all very well and good. But then the author totally bones himself with making this a political litmus test.

If I do hold my nose and vote for Mitt - the fact that he is a Mormon will make it easier for me. And no, I’m not an LDS’r.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 7:29:35 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

Last time I checked, Mormons weren’t calling for the destruction of Israel and the United States, flying hijacked planes into buildings, setting out IEDs on roadways, launching rockets into Israeli schools, calling for the beheading of anyone who insults them, or calling for a worldwide caliphate.

An argument can be made some facets of Mormonism are distasteful, but to liken it to Islam is utter BS.


6 posted on 11/30/2011 7:31:47 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy
Read this very good description of your faith and you will know why Christians call Mormonism a false religion.
7 posted on 11/30/2011 7:31:51 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

I’m personally protestant ... but this sub is meant to offend in the manner of progressives who like to write “Similarities between the Republicans and the Nazis” articles.


8 posted on 11/30/2011 7:32:33 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
"If I do hold my nose and vote for Mitt - the fact that he is a Mormon will make it easier for me." A very sad declaration from you. But then if Milt gets the nomination to run against barry bassturd, the media will educate you on the vagaries of mormonISM. If you still find his mormonism to be a plus, well, sadder still. Mormonism is the spirit of anti-Christ writ large, stealthily, and well funded.

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored! MormonISM is the very essence of slick anti-Christ inveigling, and the promoters of this anti-Christian religion will continue to be exposed and opposed so long as Christians are not squelched by the political correctness approach inherent in the lie that exposing mormonISM is hate or hatred of the people trapped in this demonic cult.

9 posted on 11/30/2011 7:36:13 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN

“We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ’s] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action.” [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

Thanks for the quote. Doesn’t exactly jibe with “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins” from Hebrews 9:22.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 7:42:44 AM PST by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
Many people today are quoting a statement reputedly made by Martin Luther, the great reformer, that he "would rather be ruled by a competent Turk (a Muslim) than an incompetent Christian." First of all, there is no evidence whatsoever that Martin Luther ever said these words. But even if he did say them, it would have been a gross exaggeration used to make a point. He never lived under a Muslim ruler and did not know what that would be like. But I did. And I can tell you, there is no such thing as choosing between Muslim and non-Muslim leaders under Islam.

Ping to read later.

11 posted on 11/30/2011 7:42:51 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Da Coyote

Yea, you win. First one to bring up Romney.


12 posted on 11/30/2011 7:44:11 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
1. The Osmonds are a big family and are Mormons.

2. The Bin-Ladens are a big family and are Muslims.

Coincidence? I think not.

13 posted on 11/30/2011 7:46:00 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Mormon will make it easier for me Why?
14 posted on 11/30/2011 7:46:59 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

If Mitt was a conservative I’d vote for him regardless of his Mormon faith.


15 posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:05 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan; All
"Both believe that Christianity was corrupt and incomplete until their respective founders came on the scene"

Martin Luther?

16 posted on 11/30/2011 7:49:11 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
Already posted a month ago here.
17 posted on 11/30/2011 7:50:06 AM PST by TheMightyQuinn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dog breath

A Mormon and a Muzzie walk into a bar.

The Muzzie declares to the bartender and its patrons that there is only one god and his name is Allah.

The Mormon gets a surprised look on his face and declares to the bartender and its patrons, “You aren’t going to believe this but my name just happens to be Allah!”

LOL!


18 posted on 11/30/2011 7:52:23 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ScottinVA
An argument can be made some facets of Mormonism are distasteful, but to liken it to Islam is utter BS.

Which part of mormonISM do you find tasteful?

You are aware that Joseph Smith said he was the next mohammad, correct?

You are aware that mormonISM and islam have been creating partnerships with each other for more than two decades, correct?

When you say the comparison is BS, which parts? The list is pretty clear as to why they are nearly identical in these aspects.

19 posted on 11/30/2011 7:52:27 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN

Very well. I see your point. YOU obviously know Mormons who live lives of deceit, dishonesty and debauchery. You probably know hundreds of Mormons who cheat on their wives, and live in opposition to their church’s teachings.

As for me... I know of thousands of CATHOLICS who live in opposition to papal theocracies as they support abortion and live like Kennedy’s - but nope... Don’t know of any Mormons who do.

But that’s just me.

So. If the time came for me to vote for a man who I could not trust politically AND religiously verses a man who I could not trust politically but COULD trust religiously; then the answer is simple.

That said... I still hope I do not have to vote for Mitt the politician.


20 posted on 11/30/2011 7:57:04 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: svcw
When you say the comparison is BS, which parts?

I'm talking about the overall equation between the two. The koranic doctrine is the guiding force behind the examples I listed earlier.

21 posted on 11/30/2011 7:57:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN

“We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ’s] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action.” [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859. . . . .

___________________________________________________________

If you think about what he is saying it is obviously true. If we do not repent and seek the Grace of The Lord, (our own actions), it won’t be given. There will be Millions, no make that Billions of people from whom the blood of Christ will have no effect except to condemn them.

LDS don’t worship gods they worship GOD. They believe in the Ten Commandments and place no gods before God The Father.

I thought his article was laughable. There are so many un-truths and half truths in it.

By the way It was Martin Luther who thought The Church was corrupt and an abomination, does that make all Protestants unfit for elected office?

Leave religion out of this, the Mormons are good people and have good values. They may not worship the way we do but if we were all like they try to be it would be a better world.

Mitt is wrong for the Republican nomination for president not because of his Mormonism, but because he is RINO.


22 posted on 11/30/2011 7:57:56 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: svcw

See post 20.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 7:59:09 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: stuartcr

I think it is Wednesday....


24 posted on 11/30/2011 8:05:23 AM PST by NEMDF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Your effort to use faulty logic and absurd hyperbole to support your assertion that Milt’s MormonISM would be a plus in your mind is duly noted. And just for the record, yes I do know a few Mormons, and yes one or two live lives not aligned to the supposed morality of mormonism. But trying to be good to earn salvation is after all a hallmark of MormonISM. Perhaps the smoking and beer drinking helps the occasional Mormon to refocus their efforts to be good enough for The Grace of God in Christ. Can you explain it?


25 posted on 11/30/2011 8:11:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: JAKraig

The poster asserted that Milt’s being a Mormon would be a plus in voting for Milt if it came down to it. IIRC, you are a Mormon. Do you agree with the quote from your Journal of Discourses? And I notice you made not one attempt to refute any of the ‘un-truths’ you calim the article offers. We get that a lot from Mormons when they want to oppose the fac ts of MormonISM being aired at FR.


26 posted on 11/30/2011 8:16:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: JAKraig

The poster asserted that Milt’s being a Mormon would be a plus in voting for Milt if it came down to it. IIRC, you are a Mormon. Do you agree with the quote from your Journal of Discourses? And I notice you made not one attempt to refute any of the ‘un-truths’ you claim the article offers. We get that a lot from Mormons when they want to oppose the fac ts of MormonISM being aired at FR.


27 posted on 11/30/2011 8:16:47 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: JAKraig; MHGinTN
Which God?

The god that was once a man?

The god of Kolob?

The god of earth?

The god of one of the millions of planets that are earth like?

The god you might become?

Per Brigham Young (yeah, the one they named a university after): "He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. On every earth. How many earths are there?...Consequently every earth has its redeemer..." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, p. 71, 1870)

President Spencer W. Kimball has said: “There is a purpose in the building of this earth and in the creation of man, that he might have a place in which to live, to perfect himself that he might become perfect and … raise HIMSELF, with the help of his Father, to godhood. “EACH ONE of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to GOVERN SUCH A WORLD WITH ALL OF ITS PEOPLE. “...You are sent to this world with a very serious purpose. You are sent to school, for that matter, to begin as a human infant and grow to unbelievable proportions in wisdom, judgment, knowledge, and power” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], p. 31).

It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men....If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,” ( Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670)

(Mormon Doctrine, p. 163). “And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light,” (Book of Abraham 4:3).

Which god is that?

28 posted on 11/30/2011 8:18:14 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
Dr. Michael Youssef wrote: "In America, we have the great privilege of choosing candidates based on our core values, rather than how they identify with our theological point of view."

In my worldview, one's theological point of view affects his core values. Therefore, it behooves us to examine our candidate's religion as well as his public record. To ignore a man's theological point of view is to ignore his base motives in everything else. Ignore it at your peril.

Case in point: Obama.

29 posted on 11/30/2011 8:18:31 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NEMDF; stuartcr

Yeah you know what, I was sitting in class and I read your comment about it being Tuesday and panicked and had to check that I wasn’t sitting in the wrong class.


30 posted on 11/30/2011 8:21:55 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: JAKraig
And for the record on this thread, your assertion is categorically incorrect: “If you think about what he is saying it is obviously true.” If you read what the LDS teacher is saying int he quote, it is the spirit of anti-Christ in blatant exhibition. If you cannot see that reality, then you might fall for the lie inherent in the assertion quoted.

Just to help you, here's the quote again, which you assert is true:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

'Apostle' Lyman was referring to those redeemed by the blood of Christ. He then denies that efficacy of their redemption because of the washing of regeneration, as you have sought to agree with that denial of the efficacy having washed away the sin of the redeemed in Christ. THAT denial is the spirit of anti-Christ.

31 posted on 11/30/2011 8:27:11 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: NakedRampage; ReformationFan
"Both believe that Christianity was corrupt and incomplete until their respective founders came on the scene"

"Martin Luther?"

It was the Church heierarchy that Luther said was corrupt, not the Church itself. There is no fundamental difference between the liturgys of the Catholic Church and the Lutheran Church. Luther was all about eliminating the "middle man".

32 posted on 11/30/2011 8:29:01 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan
Which one has a god that requires your only son die for him ?
33 posted on 11/30/2011 8:39:57 AM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Designer

Exactly.


34 posted on 11/30/2011 8:44:25 AM PST by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: NEMDF

Yeah, I had monday off, so I’m messed up by a day. At least I got the hate part right.


35 posted on 11/30/2011 9:01:11 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan

Both religions use/used their faith as an excuse to sexually subjugate women via polygamy, arranged marriages, and child brides.


36 posted on 11/30/2011 9:21:50 AM PST by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JAKraig; MHGinTN
LDS don’t worship gods they worship GOD. They believe in the Ten Commandments and place no gods before God The Father.

In that you are not entirely correct. The verdict is mixed as many lds sources also state they worship Jesus Christ as well - that would make 2 'gods' being worshiped and if you throw in the semi-worship/recognition of a 'god' they call the "Holy Ghost", that makes three.

The Ten Commandments are also based upon the understanding that there was only one TRUE God. Within mormonism the fundamental understanding is that there are an uncountable plethora of 'true' gods and goddesses.

37 posted on 11/30/2011 9:28:30 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Godzilla

And we won’t even mention the LDS inc teaching that the Mormon ‘god’ (s) had to be appoionted as god(s) by a council of gods. Polytheism anyone?


38 posted on 11/30/2011 10:03:34 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: MHGinTN
Polytheism anyone?

By definition

39 posted on 11/30/2011 10:11:30 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: stuartcr

starter you claim hate, show one example of hate against mormons (since this is an mormon/islam post)


40 posted on 11/30/2011 10:42:15 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: svcw

It’s Mormonism hate, not Mormon hate. Very few actually use the word hate when talking about Mormonism, but it’s obvious to the most casual observer. Just go back the last year or so and randomly pick out 4 or 5 long threads that have to do with Mormonism, and you will see.


41 posted on 11/30/2011 11:59:13 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: stuartcr

Ok, that is an answer, thanks.
I would not have used the phrase “I hate mormonISM” but I have said “I loath mormonISM”. That could be the same on the bottom line.
My feelings are derived from my knowledge of mormonISM and what this belief system in mormonISM has done to my lds family and friends.
So, “I loath mormonISM” and will do everything I can do to expose to the general population everything mormonISM and all that means.


42 posted on 11/30/2011 12:10:19 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson