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Reasons Joseph Smith Is More Important Than Jesus [Mormon Merry Smithmas!]
Mormon Curtain.com ^ | Feb. 10, 2005

Posted on 12/08/2011 7:46:56 AM PST by Colofornian

"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]" Apostle George Q. Cannon, as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142

"Whosoever... does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist...," Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 176

[There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91

"He that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.312

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation," Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again." Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a God, and also upon Brigham Young, our Governor” Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p. 88

"It is to be feared that in course of a century, some gifted man like Paul, some splendid orator, who will be able by his eloquence to attract crowds of the thousands who are ever ready to hear, and be carried away by, the sounding brass and tinkling cymbal of sparkling oratory, may command a hearing, may succeed in breathing a new life into this modern Mahometanism, and make the name of the martyred Joseph ring as loud, and stir the souls of men as much, as the mighty name of Christ itself. Sharon, Palmyra, Manchester, Kirtland, Far West, Adam-ondi-Ahman, Ramus. Nauvoo, and the Carthage Jail, may become holy and venerable names, places of classic interest, in another age; like Jerusalem, the Garden of Gethsemane, the Mount of Olives, and Mount Calvary to the Christian, and Mecca and Medina to the Turk." Brigham Young, History of the Church, Vol. 7, p.40-41


TOPICS: History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: josephsmith; lds; mormon; smithmas
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First President Heber C. Kimball was a "counselor" to Brigham Young and ensuing Lds "prophets" as one of the three highest-ranking in the Mormon hierarchy:

From the article: "You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a God, and also upon Brigham Young, our Governor” Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p. 88

From the article: "Whosoever... does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist...," Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 176

Y'all (non-Mormons) didn't know that Mormons think you are of the "anti-Christ," did you? All because you fail to "confess Joseph Smith."

And here I thought the Bible emphasized confessing Jesus Christ!!!!

From the article: [There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

Joseph Fielding Smith was the 10th "prophet" of the Mormon church...He says "no salvation" -- "no kingdom of God" for you...unless you "accept Joseph Smith."

Obviously Smith is the "the way, the truth, and the life" for the Mormon church:

The cousin of Mitt Romney's father, George -- Marion Romney -- was one of three highest ranking Mormons as a member of the LDS First Presidency. Marion Romney said half a century ago: "This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, pg. 119).

No, Marion Romney. There is NO substitute for Christ! Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Still...Mormons place people like Brigham Young on a high platform by naming their most prominent university after him...And Young claimed that Joseph Smith's "consent" is needed to live forever with Heavenly Father...all because Young regarded Joseph Smith "as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven":

From the article: "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true." Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91

1 posted on 12/08/2011 7:47:02 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
With Joseph Smith’s birthday coming on Dec. 23, Jesus Christ gets plenty of Mormon competition!

Don’t believe me that this doesn’t practically carry itself out?

Then read these posted articles:
* Dealing with “Smithmas” [Mormon worship of Joseph Smith]
* Joseph Smith: a witness of Christ [O Come, O Come EmmanSMITHuel, anyone?]
* 'Praise to the Man' honors Joseph Smith [Mormon Merry Smithmas!]
* Joseph Smith: Blessed Be His Name [Mormon Merry Smithmas]
* “Praise To The Man”: A Review Of The Annual Joseph Smith Memorial Sermons [Mormon Merry Smithmas]
* Joseph Smith Jr.—Prophet of God, Mighty Servant
* Tis the season for Smithmas; Whom do you worship? [Mormon Merry Smithmas]

2 posted on 12/08/2011 7:48:46 AM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]" Apostle George Q. Cannon, as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142

Blasphemy!

3 posted on 12/08/2011 7:49:02 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Colofornian

Do they have the angel Moroni on top of their Christmas tree?


4 posted on 12/08/2011 7:52:27 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: Colofornian

All false religion rots the soul.

Thanks for the post.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 7:53:31 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: MEGoody

“I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.”

This guy is such a stud. Maybe he should do an endzone dance.

Congrats to the “prophet” for getting it exactly wrong.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 7:53:34 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Colofornian

My hope is that lds and its defenders read the words of lds leaders and their founders to learn, see and take to heart what they are following and defending.
I am mind blown that lds can defend this belief system, and deny that these words have been spoken by those very leaders.
It appears on FR that lds members and defender will deny the words that are right on their computer screens and scream they are not true......even though they are documented, linked to original sources all from lds informational sites.


7 posted on 12/08/2011 7:57:21 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Colofornian

Are these recent posting about Joseph Smith, Jr., for real???? I hope they’re sarcastic posting about this stone reading, embezzling, polygamist, pedophiliac, phony prophet.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 7:58:34 AM PST by laweeks
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To: All
How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

9 posted on 12/08/2011 7:59:04 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: laweeks
Are these recent posting about Joseph Smith, Jr., for real????

Most of these quotes were from the 19th century. Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce McConkie are from the 20th century. Yes. Real comments. Real Mormon general authorities. Most of them either by Lds "prophets" or "apostles."

10 posted on 12/08/2011 8:02:05 AM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: Colofornian

Wow, that makes Joseph Smith almost as big as The Beatles!


11 posted on 12/08/2011 8:06:22 AM PST by circlecity
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To: thesaleboat
Illogical reasoning.

It's like saying if you're a patriarch of a family, it was jumpstarted by you.

But we ALL -- patriarch or not -- go back to Noah and his wife. And before that, back to Adam and Eve.

You have therefore cited something that arbitrarily draws a line in the sand.

What? Did your family start with you, thesaleboat? You had no father or mother? You were some immaculate conception who arrived suddenly on the scene? No heritage?

Look at Martin Luther's history, for example. He didn't name any church after himself. [That was done externally]

Luther considered himself to be part and parcel of the historic church. He was there to REFORM the church; not 100% knock it down and start from scratch.

You have flunked church history.

12 posted on 12/08/2011 8:07:03 AM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: thesaleboat
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

You fail at history.

13 posted on 12/08/2011 8:10:51 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Colofornian
Wow I agree with you for a change!!! That post saying the only real church is the Catholic Church probably was the most offensive post I've seen on this website in a while!!!

I guess I should avoid these religious threads...

14 posted on 12/08/2011 8:13:07 AM PST by Dengar01 (Dengar01 - "Heartless" since 1983!!!)
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To: thesaleboat
You sound like a member of the Spanish Inquisition. You conveniently left out when Constantine moved to Constantinople (Now Istanbul for throwbacks like you).

He formed the Eastern Roman Empire which led to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I don't see Orthodox anywhere on your list. You only start with Martin Luther!

Take a look in the mirror and you will see BIGOT!!!

15 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:29 AM PST by Dengar01 (Dengar01 - "Heartless" since 1983!!!)
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To: thesaleboat
How Old Is Your Church?

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

And if you are a CHRISTIAN - one who has accepted Christ's Gospel of Grace, regardless of which local fellowship you worship with - you belong to the ONE TRUE CHURCH, purposed in the heart of God before time began!
16 posted on 12/08/2011 8:23:08 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Colofornian
Obviously Smith is the "the way, the truth, and the life" for the Mormon church:

Look at what Smith got up to:

Taking other men's wives and daughters into his own harem.
Boozing and drugging himself up while keeping the riff raff teetotal.
Removing 10% of their income and using it for his own.
Living the high life while others subsistance farmed.
Getting people periodically to uproot and move you and themselves when you got yourself into trouble.

Moammar Ghadaafi could only dream about Smith's accomplishments. Smith's people never turned on him at the end, either.

17 posted on 12/08/2011 8:23:25 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: thesaleboat
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

Founded by Christ and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Funny how the Bible Believers (tm) don't seem to believe that...

18 posted on 12/08/2011 8:25:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: thesaleboat
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

If you are a Christian, you know that your religion was founded when God created the heaven and the earth.

19 posted on 12/08/2011 8:29:57 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: thesaleboat

This was very simplistic and very wrong. The ROMAN Catholic church of today is VERY DIFFERENT from the Roman Catholic church of the time of the reformation. Martin Luther did not start a new religion. He didn’t want to cause a division within the church. He simply wanted the established church of his day to get back to the faith of the New Testament as taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

Martin Luther lead the reformation in order to RECLAIM that faith.

If you think everything was hunky dory with the Roman Catholic church, then you need to read why how the Jesuits got started in order to train a large number of clergy who couldn’t even read the Bible from which they could not teach. Simultaneously, they were burning people at the stake for distributing copies of Bibles to common folk.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:32 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Dengar01; thesaleboat
Well, let's talk a moment about our "originators"

Adam and Eve fell. (Not much of a "hurrah" there, eh?)

By parallel, the Catholic church badly disgraced (history of pre-16th century popes; selling of indulgences; etc....not much of a "hurrah" there, either, eh?)

...the only real church is the Catholic Church...

Before there was the "Roman Catholic" church (capital "C"), it inherited the church from the "catholic" church (small "c"). All "catholic" means is "universal." The "genuine article" wasn't the "Roman Catholic" church; yet God saw fit to put up with the foibles of that church...It was "the church of the dark ages," after all...which has both a positive and negative connotation.

It's "positive" in that despite it being a trying time with the advancement of Islam, the church rose up to defeat it. Lack of light...the knowledge of our Lord...was prevalent in that dark time...and yet the church still "survived." And monasteries -- especially those developed by St. Patrick and those enclaves he helped to jumpstart...helped to preserve much of what we have in church history, etc.

It's "negative" for some of the same exact reasons: In a time when the church was under tremendous attack, monasteries were great preservations/sanctuaries of light...and when that attack began to relent, an over-abundance of remnant & newly created monasteries meant for a grand retreat from missionary and public ministry.

Hence, the church of the "dark ages" doesn't have much to promote pride-wise. (Their candle wattage wasn't exactly overwhelming in cultural impact)

21 posted on 12/08/2011 8:30:57 AM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: thesaleboat

...and if you are a Jew, your religion is a couple of thousand years older than THAT.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: thesaleboat
If what you are saying is you are not a true Christian unless you are Catholic, then you are as bigoted as some in the LDS church or some of the JWs, or even fringe Baptist groups, who regard non members as gentiles. The Apostle Paul wrote seven letters to seven different churches. Even in the first church it was evident that there were differences between them, In a sense different denominations. In no letter did Paul say you all need to be more like the church of (fill the blank). And Paul had both good and bad things to say to all of them. That has not changes in 2000 years.
23 posted on 12/08/2011 8:38:38 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: WayneS

Good one! :-)


24 posted on 12/08/2011 8:41:06 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: thesaleboat

Good post! Of course the haters don’t think so but too bad for them.


25 posted on 12/08/2011 9:05:13 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

It’s obvious both sides of the pew drink Haterade®. It would be difficult (but not impossible) to find a church as arrogant and boastful as the Catholic Church. The Rock the Real Church is founded upon is The Rock of Ages - Jesus Christ not any man. Does your pope wander the cities alone with just a staff and clothing preaching the Gospel and healing the sick? There is no “succession” of Apostles. They started the movement and it is up to us to keep it going. Jesus was a Jew not a Catholic, Mormon or LDS.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 9:22:30 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: the_Watchman; thesaleboat
If you think everything was hunky dory with the Roman Catholic church, then you need to read why how the Jesuits got started in order to train a large number of clergy who couldn’t even read the Bible from which they could not teach. Simultaneously, they were burning people at the stake for distributing copies of Bibles to common folk.

Yes, the Jesuits historically were the most bigoted, persecuting anti-Christians there were of that time.

27 posted on 12/08/2011 9:22:30 AM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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To: thesaleboat
If anyone depends upon anything except the shed blood of Yeshua (Jesus)for their salvation, they are lost. This includes any group in your list that calls themselves a church that adds anything additional as a requirement for salvation.

The founder of Christianity is Yaweh, in the person of Yeshua. No one except yourself can pray you in, pray you out, or in any way approach G_d except through the Holy Spirit placed in each believer, when he or she confesses their sins to G_d, and accepts the salvation offered through Yeshua sacrifice. The Church is the body of Christ, the believers, not a building, nor an organization whatever it may call itself.

28 posted on 12/08/2011 9:25:03 AM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: thesaleboat

I know when my belief was formed - the day Christ was born. I am a member of the Body of Christ, not a man organized group.


29 posted on 12/08/2011 9:26:41 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Yulee
"If anyone depends upon anything except the shed blood of Yeshua (Jesus)for their salvation, they are lost."

That is correct. That is what the Bible teaches.

30 posted on 12/08/2011 9:34:19 AM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: Colofornian
When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

True words, no doubt.....

31 posted on 12/08/2011 9:36:08 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; thesaleboat
And if you are a CHRISTIAN - one who has accepted Christ's Gospel of Grace, regardless of which local fellowship you worship with - you belong to the ONE TRUE CHURCH, purposed in the heart of God before time began!

You get an A+ on your theology exam.

What thesaleboat (and Catholics in general) fails to recognize is that these new orthodox denominations (Lutherians, Presbyterians, Baptists, Anglicans, etc.) didn't create from whole cloth but built on the foundation of the earlier church. This foundation is not the exclusive property of the Catholics and we Chrisitains should never surrender it to them. The Church of Acts is our church, too. And since, Martin Luther and other squeezed out the earlier corruption, our version is a purer form of that church than the RCC.

32 posted on 12/08/2011 9:39:02 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: NavyCanDo; thesaleboat
If what you are saying is you are not a true Christian unless you are Catholic, then you are as bigoted as some in the LDS church or some of the JWs, or even fringe Baptist groups, who regard non members as gentiles.

Yup. That's Catholic doctrine and mindset.

33 posted on 12/08/2011 9:39:49 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BipolarBob; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Ping to post 26


34 posted on 12/08/2011 9:45:22 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MEGoody
""""If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]" Apostle George Q. Cannon, as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142""""

Blasphemy!

""""" You can say that again, it is SATANIC BLASPHEMY in their own words, this will not go unpunished. If there are any Mormans here, you BEST BE WARNED of your satanic cult's teachings. How did you allow yourselves to be so deceived???

You can only serve one master, and Smith ain't the one. If he had not invented this cult, he would have sold SNAKE OIL, maybe he did and developed that trade to his highest ego. BLASPHEMY.

35 posted on 12/08/2011 10:07:05 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie
You can only serve one master, and Smith ain't the one. If he had not invented this cult, he would have sold SNAKE OIL, maybe he did and developed that trade to his highest ego. BLASPHEMY.

He was a glass looker (preceding the Urim and Thimmims and the magic hat), and was convicted of fraud.

36 posted on 12/08/2011 10:23:45 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Did not know that bit of information. Thanks

All I know is I am allowed to HATE SATAN, and his name was Joseph Smith, for a spell. Charlatan, deceiver, hate filled, woman hater, thief, murderer, self rightous egomaniac who has led many souls to hell with him.

37 posted on 12/08/2011 10:55:32 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Colofornian

Young regarded Joseph Smith “as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as god does in heaven”:
____________________________________________

Well after all Joey Smith showed his buddies a sure and easy way to get all the young girls they wanted...


38 posted on 12/08/2011 10:56:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: laweeks
I hope they’re sarcastic posting about this stone reading, embezzling, polygamist, pedophiliac, phony prophet.

"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




39 posted on 12/08/2011 11:12:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MarkBsnr
Smith's people never turned on him at the end, either.

A lot sure did in the middle!


Here is one...


 
W. W. Phelps

I have a Dream


William Wines Phelps, assistant president of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
in Missouri
 

 
 
William W. Phelps' grave marker.
 The back is inscribed with the words
 
There is no end to matter
There is no end to space
There is no end to spirit
There is no end to race.
 
There is no end to glory
There is no end to love
There is no end to being
There is no death above"
from the hymn

Today, William W. Phelps is probably best-known for his legacy of LDS hymns, many of which appear in the current edition of the LDS Hymnal.[6]

Just a couple...
If You Could Hie to Kolob
Praise to the Man

Excommunicated and rebaptized

A scribe to Joseph Smith Jr., for some time, in late 1838 Phelps was one of several who bore witness against Smith and other leaders, aiding in their imprisonment in Missouri until April 1839. In June 1840, Phelps plead for forgiveness in a letter to Smith. Smith replied with an offer of full fellowship, and ended with the famous couplet, "'Come on, dear brother, since the war is past, For friends at first are friends again at last.'"[4]

It was decided that Phelps, along with Frederick G. Williams, could be ordained as elders and serve missions abroad. Phelps served a brief mission in the eastern United States in 1841. Phelps moved to Nauvoo, Illinois where on August 27, 1841, he replaced Robert B. Thompson (who had died) as Joseph Smith's clerk. Beginning in February 1843, Phelps became the ghostwriter of many of Smith's important written works of the Nauvoo period, including General Joseph Smith's Appeal to the Green Mountain Boys of November 1843, Smith's theodemocratic presidential platform of January 1844, and The Voice of Innocence which was presented to and unanimously approved by the Relief Society in February 1844 to rebut claims of polygamy in Nauvoo arising out of Orsimus Bostwick's lawsuit accusing Hyrum Smith of polygamy and other sexual misconduct with the women of Nauvoo.[5]

Phelps was endowed on December 9, 1843, received his "second anointing" promising him godhood on February 2, 1844, and was also made a member of the Council of Fifty. In Nauvoo, Phelps spoke out in favor of the destruction of an opposition newspaper, the Nauvoo Expositor. He believed that the city charter gave the church leaders power to declare the newspaper a nuisance. Shortly afterwards, the press and type were carried into the street and destroyed. Phelps was summoned to be tried for treason with Joseph Smith at Carthage, Illinois.

During the Mormon Succession Crisis in 1844, Phelps sided with Brigham Young and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He was again excommunicated on December 9, 1848 for entering into an unauthorized polygamous marriage, but was rebaptized two days later.[citation needed] He took part in the Mormon Exodus across the Great Plains and settled in Salt Lake City in 1849. He served a mission in southern Utah Territory (as counselor to Parley P. Pratt) from November 1849 to February 1850. There he served in the Utah territorial legislature and on the board of regents for the University of Deseret (now the University of Utah). Phelps died on March 7, 1872 in Salt Lake City, Utah Territory. He was buried at Salt Lake City Cemetery.



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._W._Phelps_(Mormon)


40 posted on 12/08/2011 11:16:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MarkBsnr
Living the high life while others subsistance farmed.

It's GOOD to be the King!


41 posted on 12/08/2011 11:17:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WayneS; magritte
...and if you are a Jew, your religion is a couple of thousand years older than THAT.

HA!

Noahides gotcha ALL beat!!

42 posted on 12/08/2011 11:19:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BipolarBob
It would be difficult (but not impossible) to find a church as arrogant and boastful as the Catholic Church.

 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

43 posted on 12/08/2011 11:20:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Yulee
If anyone depends upon anything except the shed blood of Yeshua (Jesus)for their salvation, they are lost.


John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


44 posted on 12/08/2011 11:22:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: metmom
When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)


JESUS: Hey Smith!       Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But.... 

45 posted on 12/08/2011 11:23:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie
If there are any Mormans here, you BEST BE WARNED of your satanic cult's teachings.


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

46 posted on 12/08/2011 11:25:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Young regarded Joseph Smith “as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as god does in heaven”:

Speaking of SPHERES...




THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 16
The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the bguilty taketh the ctruth to be hard, for it dcutteth them to the very center.
3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
5 And it came to pass that they did ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.
6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the avalley which he called Lemuel.
7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the adaughters of Ishmael to bwife; and also, my brethren took of the cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.
8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.
9 And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ajourney into the wilderness.
10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.
11 And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.
12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.
13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place aShazer.
14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the aRed Sea.
15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.
16 And we did follow the adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.
17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.
18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did amurmur against the Lord.
21 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
22 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto acomplaining against the Lord their God.
23 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
24 And it came to pass that he did ainquire of the Lord, for they had bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.
30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the adirections which were given upon the ball.
31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.
34 And it came to pass that aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called bNahom.
35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to areturn again to Jerusalem.
37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.
38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman bstir up their hearts to canger.
39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.
 

47 posted on 12/08/2011 11:26:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

PERFECT


48 posted on 12/08/2011 11:42:13 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Elsie
SEER STONE, FACE IN THE HAT????? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

I love these Morman threads, I have learned so much more that I already knew. Thanks for your work. NOW?

this statement: " "The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods." ---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834."""

The key word there "PRETENDED", sounds like Emma's dad was not to sold on his son in law. Thoughts on that?

Guess a divining rod would not suffice??? rofl Smith could have said "This divineing rod, is the inspired rod of G.. and created for Me from Abrahams Staff.""""

That would have sold to the ignorant just as easily, lol.

49 posted on 12/08/2011 11:53:38 AM PST by annieokie
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To: surroundedbyblue
"""the haters"""""

Oh but you are wrong there, we do not hate the people of the LDS, we HATE AND DESPISE the origin of it and the leaders who continue to perpetrate the lies.

It is the duty of all Christians to enlighten the lost souls, there is only one path and that is through Jesus Christ ALONE. Do you not remember his last words? "It is finished", there is no more, HE alone paid the price for our sins, nailed them to the cross. HE has no needs for any false surrogates, (aka Joseph Smith), to assist HIM.

The messages here are just "A WARNING against false teachers", you choice to ignore all these written facts that ELSIE is posting, is just that Your Choice and be damned.

50 posted on 12/08/2011 12:08:39 PM PST by annieokie
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