Calvinism's Similarities to Islam

http://www.freewill-predestination.com/islam.html ^ | David Bennett

[big'ol_freeper]

[scripter]

Read later.

[MrEdd]

IBTZ. Calvinism as similar to islam is a stretch.

[rzman21]

Calvinism and Islam both have a similar legalistic streak and reject the role of reason.

[svcw]

That statement is just silly. There is no reason in islam.

[crghill]

It’s taken a long time but I’ve finally read the dumbest thing ever written by a human being. I can die in peace now.

[rzman21]

Calvinism and Islam both have a similar legalistic streak and both reject the role of reason in faith.

Pope Benedict XVI drew the connection in his Regensburg Address:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html

Dehellenization first emerges in connection with the postulates of the Reformation in the sixteenth century. Looking at the tradition of scholastic theology, the Reformers thought they were confronted with a faith system totally conditioned by philosophy, that is to say an articulation of the faith based on an alien system of thought. As a result, faith no longer appeared as a living historical Word but as one element of an overarching philosophical system. The principle of sola scriptura, on the other hand, sought faith in its pure, primordial form, as originally found in the biblical Word. Metaphysics appeared as a premise derived from another source, from which faith had to be liberated in order to become once more fully itself. When Kant stated that he needed to set thinking aside in order to make room for faith, he carried this programme forward with a radicalism that the Reformers could never have foreseen. He thus anchored faith exclusively in practical reason, denying it access to reality as a whole.

[freedomfiter2]

Yeah, what kind of legalistic god would expect people to obey his commands?

[rzman21]

There is no reason in islam.
>>Nor in Calvinism. Calvinism completely rejects the role of reason in faith.

[svcw]

My goodness that may be the cleverest thing I have read on FR in a really long time. I literal LOL.

[narses]

Calvinism and Islam both have a similar legalistic streak and both reject the role of reason in faith.

Pope Benedict XVI drew the connection in his Regensburg Address:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html

Dehellenization first emerges in connection with the postulates of the Reformation in the sixteenth century. Looking at the tradition of scholastic theology, the Reformers thought they were confronted with a faith system totally conditioned by philosophy, that is to say an articulation of the faith based on an alien system of thought. As a result, faith no longer appeared as a living historical Word but as one element of an overarching philosophical system. The principle of sola scriptura, on the other hand, sought faith in its pure, primordial form, as originally found in the biblical Word. Metaphysics appeared as a premise derived from another source, from which faith had to be liberated in order to become once more fully itself. When Kant stated that he needed to set thinking aside in order to make room for faith, he carried this programme forward with a radicalism that the Reformers could never have foreseen. He thus anchored faith exclusively in practical reason, denying it access to reality as a whole.

[LetMarch]

As I understand it: “Luther was not as Luthern” and John Calvin was not a Calvinist.”

Jesus Christ was not a Christian; but his followers were!
The word Christian is given only three times in our Scripture:

1) “....And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26c)

2) “Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost persuadest me to be a Christian.” (Acts 26:28)

3) “Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed: but let him glorify God on this behalf.” (1 Peter 4:16)

“For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God, and if it begin at us, what shall it the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to Him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:17-19)

[aruanan]

The similarities have been noted for hundreds of years, but in all likelihood Muhammad got his fatalistic/deterministic view of God from the same place John Calvin did: St. Augustine. Remember that the Koran was assembled using Christian and Jewish texts in the Arabian Peninsula where Christians and Jews had been living since at least the first century. Their kingdoms in the Arabian Peninsula were the high tech cultures and the builders of the first permanent cities while the Bedouins were still running around the deserts, periodically hiring themselves out as mercenaries both to the Romans and to the Persians. By the time Muhammad was to have had his first vision (610), St. Augustine’s works had already been around for over 180 years. And Muhammad tailored his initial messages to appeal to the Christians and Jews, both of whom rejected him, leading to the destruction of the Arabian Christian and Jewish kingdoms.

[LetMarch]

“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)

[LetMarch]

“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)