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Cartoonist Draws Ire of N.J. Irish [Thomas Nast, the father of the American political cartoon]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Dec. 15, 2011 | Heather Haddon

Posted on 12/15/2011 9:21:17 AM PST by Alex Murphy

Thomas Nast, whose antislavery political cartoons propelled him to notoriety in the 19th century, has ignited another uproar: whether his anti-Irish and -Catholic drawings should disqualify him from the New Jersey Hall of Fame.

Irish and Catholic groups are waging a campaign against including the father of the American political cartoon in that group of notable New Jerseyans, arguing that he routinely depicted them in an unfavorable light.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; irishcatholic; johnjosephhughes; nast
Irish and Catholic groups are waging a campaign against including [Thomas Nast] the father of the American political cartoon in that group of notable New Jerseyans [the New Jersey Hall of Fame], arguing that he routinely depicted them in an unfavorable light.


What the Irish Roman Catholic Children will be told to do next: "Kick it out Peaceably."
(The controversy in 1872 was teaching of Protestant religion in public schools, to which
Catholics objected. Nast's frequent attacks on the Catholic Church in general and his
depictions of the Irish as ape-like brutes made him understandably unpopular in their circles)

-- from The Weekly Storybook, March 14 2010 entry

1 posted on 12/15/2011 9:21:26 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

And Washington had slaves.

Give me a break.

Nast was an important figure. “Famous” doesn’t mean “good”.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 9:26:19 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Alex Murphy
and I bet they still call police patrol vans...paddy wagons.

where\who do I sue ?

3 posted on 12/15/2011 9:30:23 AM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thomas Nast
The man who brought down Boss Tweed.

4 posted on 12/15/2011 9:34:05 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ya gotta love historical revisionists!! No wonder that most people have no clue what America is about or where we all came from.

But, here’s a question for the revisionists: If those from the past could be brought into contemporary America, how do you think we would fare against THEIR standards??


5 posted on 12/15/2011 9:41:06 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Nast gave the GOP its elephant mascot and popularized Santa Claus.


6 posted on 12/15/2011 9:42:53 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Alex Murphy

To be fair, the Irish immigrants of the mid 19th century had many of the same social problems as today’s “minority” underclasses.

This was a time when Americans were not in the least affected by PC and had no qualms about openly expressing their dislike of certain groups. Some of the dislike of the Irish was justified and some was not.

Excellent article about how the Irish turned themselves around in just a few decades.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_2_a2.html


7 posted on 12/15/2011 10:39:36 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Excellent article about how the Irish turned themselves around in just a few decades.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_2_a2.html

A hundred years ago and more, Manhattan’s tens of thousands of Irish seemed a lost community, mired in poverty and ignorance, destroying themselves through drink, idleness, violence, criminality, and illegitimacy. What made the Irish such miscreants? Their neighbors weren’t sure: perhaps because they were an inferior race, many suggested; you could see it in the shape of their heads, writers and cartoonists often emphasized. In any event, they were surely incorrigible....

....a clergyman was the catalyst for the cultural change that liberated New York’s Irish from their underclass behavior. He was John Joseph Hughes, an Irish immigrant gardener who became the first Catholic archbishop of New York. How he accomplished his task can teach us volumes about the solution to our own end-of-the-millennium social problems.

Ping to read later.
8 posted on 12/15/2011 10:46:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Alex Murphy

“All right, we’ll give some land to the ni@@ers and the chinks. But we don’t want the Irish!”
- Olson Johnson, Blazing Saddles


9 posted on 12/15/2011 10:47:33 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Sherman Logan

“There came to these shores a poor exile of Erin,
“The dew on his wet robe hung heavy and chill.
“Ere the steamer that brought him had passed out of hearin’,
“He was Alderman Mike inthrojuicin’ a bill.”


10 posted on 12/15/2011 10:47:40 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Alex Murphy

If you have to be perfect to get into the Hall of Fame, it will be empty.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 10:49:22 AM PST by Burkean Buckleyite
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To: fungoking

I was just thinging the same thing!!!! as a matter of fact, whenever I see a black and an oriental together ( on tv or in real life ) i start to laugh, and my wife just gives me a disgusting look.....


12 posted on 12/15/2011 10:55:45 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: DustyMoment
If those from the past could be brought into contemporary America, how do you think we would fare against THEIR standards??

It is here in the present that Thomas Nast is being proposed for the Hall of Fame. Why are only white Christian ethnic groups supposed to accept insult?

13 posted on 12/15/2011 10:58:39 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Sherman Logan
From your referenced article:
He immediately stirred up a war over the city’s schools, then run by the Public School Society. Though the society received state funding, it was essentially a private Protestant organization that taught Protestantism and used the Prot-estant Bible. Worse, from Hughes’s point of view, it had pupils read such books as The Irish Heart, which taught that “the emigration from Ireland to America of annually increasing numbers, extremely needy, and in many cases drunken and depraved, has become a subject for all our grave and fearful reflection.” Hughes (with the support of New York’s 12,000 Jews) wanted an end to such sectarian education, and he wanted, above all, state aid for Catholic schools, just as the state had funded denominational schools before 1826 (with no one dreaming of calling such aid unconstitutional). The outcome of the struggle pleased no one: the Maclay Bill of 1842 barred all religious instruction from public schools and provided no state money to denominational schools.
So Archbishop John Joseph Hughes was responsible for the secularization of the public school system. He also appears to be the subject of Nast's political cartoon in post #1.
14 posted on 12/15/2011 11:06:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Alex Murphy

15 posted on 12/15/2011 11:43:37 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Sherman Logan

***This was a time when Americans were not in the least affected by PC and had no qualms about openly expressing their dislike of certain groups.****

They should read Mark Twain’s LIBRARY OF WIT AND HUMOR. The Ethnic joke section!


16 posted on 12/15/2011 11:58:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Alex Murphy
The Irish Heart, which taught that “the emigration from Ireland to America of annually increasing numbers, extremely needy, and in many cases drunken and depraved, has become a subject for all our grave and fearful reflection.”

I'm curious which part of this statement Hughes would have objected to. In and of itself it seems to be just a statement of fact.

Unpleasant facts, to be sure.

17 posted on 12/15/2011 12:06:58 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Alex Murphy
Nast anti-Catholic? Nah!

You should see his anti American-Indian cartoons!

18 posted on 12/15/2011 12:10:04 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Regrettably, Thomas Nast's name is not the origin of the word "nasty".

But it would have been entirely fitting, had it been.

19 posted on 12/15/2011 12:40:20 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Actually the 1870 Ecumenical council, Vatican I, was a success. It was not until the 1962 council of Vatican II that we got run over by a steam engine.


20 posted on 12/15/2011 12:45:58 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: oh8eleven

There is room for CORZINE in there somewhere!


21 posted on 12/15/2011 12:48:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Why are only white Christian ethnic groups supposed to accept insult?

Because the left hates Christianity. Christianity imposes limits on their deviant lifestyles and they don't like it.

22 posted on 12/15/2011 1:22:12 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
At least Tweed built a magnificent Court House with his ill-gotten booty.

23 posted on 12/15/2011 1:39:30 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Alex Murphy
So Archbishop John Joseph Hughes was responsible for the secularization of the public school system.

That's an odd spin. Same logic would blame the Public School Society. I blame those who secularized the public school system.

24 posted on 12/15/2011 1:44:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Famous doesn’t have to mean honored.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 3:42:39 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Alex Murphy

As opposed to Protestant parochial schools. I would say that it was the Jews, the ones that came much who secularized them.


26 posted on 12/15/2011 9:45:24 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: mas cerveza por favor

“It is here in the present that Thomas Nast is being proposed for the Hall of Fame. Why are only white Christian ethnic groups supposed to accept insult?”

You’re absolutely right. If this vitriol was against any of a number of non-Christian faiths this discussion wouldn’t even be taking place.


27 posted on 12/16/2011 4:01:38 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Alex Murphy
No offense to Nast, but American political cartooning predates him.

For one example.....

The Repeal. Or the funeral procession of Miss Americ-Stamp

28 posted on 12/16/2011 4:19:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: vladimir998

Exactly.

Neither does great necessarily mean good.


29 posted on 12/16/2011 7:12:19 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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