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Three candidates for Pope who are on few people's lists
Life Site News ^ | March 1, 2013 | Steve Jalsevac

Posted on 03/03/2013 3:43:11 PM PST by NYer

I realize this is a dangerous article:  recommending three cardinals who might be the best selections to replace Pope Benedict XVI.

It's called throwing the dice in some circles. Really, how can anyone know who the cardinals will elect? And even then, do any of us know enough about all of them to make a good judgment on who the Holy Spirit might choose for that heavy cross -- err, role?

But still, I’d like to have a go at it just to know I tried, and if one of these are indeed picked, it would be rather exciting.

These three, except for Burke, are likely on very few persons’ lists. But that makes it all the more interesting.

1.  Cardinal Raymond Burke, 64 - Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura

OK, regular readers of LifeSiteNews.com could easily guess that this incredibly faithful, fearless, yet humble and holy former Archbishop of St. Louis would be one of our favorites. Having met Cardinal Ratzinger in person years ago, and Cardinal Burke a number of times in recent years, I have to admit there is a remarkable similarity in their personalities - both soft spoken, naturally warm and friendly, surprisingly humble, and not at all the pitbulls their critics make them out to be.

Like Ratzinger, Burke is also a man who would attempt to do what everyone knows needs to be done: to reform the Curia and many other aspects of the Church. I have not the slightest doubt that he would serve the Church and the world very well as Pope.

However, do the other cardinals see Burke in the same way? Hmm, so far I suspect he would not win a popularity contest among them, but then would even the real Jesus (Who severely challenged the religious leaders of His day) be any more popular with some of them? And of course, this selection has nothing whatever to do with popularity. Anything can happen though, especially considering the grave concerns for the future that exist at this time.

For a lot more on Cardinal Burke just enter his name in the LifeSiteNews search. Our website contains lots of articles – all good -- about him. Not that we were in any way trying to promote him. He has done and said a lot of newsworthy and positive things that were well worth reporting.

2.  Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze, 80

“You can’t be serious?” many will say. He is 80 years old, and is not even permitted to vote – but he is eligible. Yup. All the talk is about a younger pope who can take on the very heavy tasks we know are ahead. Well, Arinze is, unlike Benedict, still in good health – as far as I know.

Here is the Wikipedia description of Arinze:

"Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, having served as prefect from 2002 to 2008. He is the current Cardinal Bishop of Velletri-Segni (succeeding Joseph Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict XVI) since 2005. Arinze was one of the principal advisors to Pope John Paul II, and was considered papabile before the 2005 papal conclave, which elected Benedict XVI."

The thing is, if the cardinals can’t agree on choosing any of the younger one of their brothers, it can happen, and has happened more than a few times, that they will opt for a safe, short-term papacy of an older cardinal – as they did with Cardinal Ratzinger. But more than that, they will do what the Holy Spirit leads them to do.

Arinze is also holy, humble, utterly faithful, and has shown he will do whatever has to be done. He is still a much more worthy and capable candidate than many of the other cardinals. Arinze would be certain to continue Pope Benedict’s and John Paul II’s reforms. Also look him up in the LifeSiteNews search.

Cardinal Arinze is comfortable with and liked by youth. He has a wonderful, engaging personality. See the video of his reaction to hearing in person of Benedict’s resignation announcement.

3.  Cardinal James Harvey, 63 – an American from Milwaukee and from 1998 until this past November, Prefect of the papal household under Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict. (Again see Wikipedia's entry here.)

This is a real longshot. Why would I mention someone who very few people have ever heard of and yet another American?

Cardinal Wuerl has just said that the Church should not elect an American. Also, Harvey was removed as Prefect of the papal household this past November following the Vatileaks scandal. He was the superior of the Pope’s butler who stole and passed on to Italian media large amounts of very confidential documents from the Papal apartment. It is said that Harvey was removed for badly failing the pope over this situation.

The scenario for Harvey’s dismissal sounds reasonable. Still, it is more than curious that Harvey was so very quickly made a cardinal by Benedict at a time when he knew he would soon be resigning the papacy.  Benedict would have clearly understood that his former, supposedly negligent prefect would not only be voting for his replacement, but would also be eligible to become pope himself. Hmm.

Until last fall, I had never heard of James Harvey. Then, on our visit to Rome this past November, I got an earful about the exceptional qualities of this man and how faithful he has been to both Popes John Paul II and Benedict. Amongst the Cardinals, Harvey has a high level knowledge of the workings of the Vatican and its Curia and an intimate understanding of the minds and goals of the last two popes and what they endured.

If faithful reform (as opposed to what all the "progressive" dissidents and media are calling for) of the Vatican and the Church in general is seen as an urgent need at this time, it just might be that Benedict knew Harvey was well-suited for the calling – and is relatively young for a cardinal, with lots of energy and years ahead. And solid, faithful.

So there, I’ve had some fun. To be sure, this is all just pure guesswork and speculation and probably off by a country mile. God likely has a very different choice than any of these three in His mind for the next papacy. Rather than us spending much time on speculating or promoting one or the other He wants Catholics to above all just pray a great deal for the new pope.

However, related to the issues of greatest concern to LifeSiteNews readers, I am sure these three would be among the best who would valiantly work to restore a Culture of Life to the world.

Whatever the outcome, which no one can know, the next few weeks or month or so will surely be fascinating. The world is going through great change these days and the Catholic Church will continue to play a major role in the drama - with whomever is elected as its new “Rock,” who will be Peter.


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1 posted on 03/03/2013 3:43:15 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Suggestion: Let's post a thread with the names of those cardinals who have not been named by the media.
2 posted on 03/03/2013 3:45:06 PM PST by NYer (“Beware the man of a single book.” - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Possibly Arinze but not Burke or Harvey.

But what everyone knows they need most is someone to carry out a thorough-going reform of the curia, face-down entrenched fiefdoms. Perhaps Arinze can do that, but his age militates against that. That he’s from an affirmative action class/nation, might give him some moral authority but on the other hand, the entrenched Italian mafioso curia types might just laugh at him.

Malcom Cardinal Ranjith of Sri Lanka is most like Benedict theologically, liturgically etc., would be a “protected-class” non-European (don’t criticize him or you’re racist) but whether he has the chops to take on the power-brokers, I don’t know. He might. He just might.


3 posted on 03/03/2013 3:47:58 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

“Malcom Cardinal Ranjith of Sri Lanka ... would be a “protected-class” non-European (don’t criticize him or you’re racist)”

That only works if he were a liberal. Since he’s a conservative he’ll be labeled a dirty wog by the liberal press.


4 posted on 03/03/2013 3:58:29 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: NYer

Why can’t Arinze vote?


5 posted on 03/03/2013 4:06:08 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Cardinals 80 and over are not permitted to vote in the conclave.


6 posted on 03/03/2013 4:11:07 PM PST by FoxPro
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To: All

From reading, it seems like it’s between...
Peter Erdo (Hungary), Angelo Scola (Italy), Odilo Scherer (Brazil) and Marc Ouellet (Canada)


7 posted on 03/03/2013 4:12:07 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: FoxPro

Thanks. Not a Catholic so I don’t know all such details.


8 posted on 03/03/2013 4:16:52 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SMCC1

Nope, I don’t think it will be any of these.

The anti-Christ is supposed to come from Europe so we don’t want a European.


9 posted on 03/03/2013 4:23:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; Perdogg; Kevmo; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks NYer.

A ticket to vote for the first Latin-American Pope
vaticaninsider.com | 3/2/13 | Gerard O’Connell - Andrea Tornielli
Posted on 03/03/2013 4:09:15 PM PST by BlatherNaut
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2993137/posts


10 posted on 03/03/2013 4:26:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: NYer
What is the name of the black Cardinal from some African country who is suppose to be a Socialist, and is in the running to replace Pope Benedict? Dear God, if there is anyone who SHOULD NOT BE considered it is this Cardinal...these are very dangerous times for us all. I pray that common knowledge about this socialist Cardinal and common sense and the willingness on the part of the voting Cardinals to do the right thing, will prevail

Group prayer is needed here. Let us pray that no socialist Cardinal becomes Pope.

11 posted on 03/03/2013 4:27:39 PM PST by itssme
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To: NYer
Prayer for the Election of a New Pope

12 posted on 03/03/2013 4:28:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
What is the name of the black Cardinal from some African country who is suppose to be a Socialist, and is in the running to replace Pope Benedict? Dear God, if there is anyone who SHOULD NOT BE considered it is this Cardinal...these are very dangerous times for us all. I pray that common knowledge about this socialist Cardinal and common sense and the willingness on the part of the voting Cardinals to do the right thing, will prevail

Group prayer is needed here. Let us pray that no socialist Cardinal becomes Pope.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 4:29:01 PM PST by itssme
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To: NYer
What is the name of the black Cardinal from some African country who is suppose to be a Socialist, and is in the running to replace Pope Benedict? Dear God, if there is anyone who SHOULD NOT BE considered it is this Cardinal...these are very dangerous times for us all. I pray that common knowledge about this socialist Cardinal and common sense and the willingness on the part of the voting Cardinals to do the right thing, will prevail

Group prayer is needed here. Let us pray that no socialist Cardinal becomes Pope.

14 posted on 03/03/2013 4:29:01 PM PST by itssme
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To: itssme
A ticket to vote for the first Latin-American Pope
Three candidates for Pope who are on few people's lists
Omens and portents and signs! OH MY! (minor earthquake near Castel Gandolfo)
‘Church changing big time,’ says Cardinal Dolan
Letter #30: The Next and the Last (media, papabili, Ganswein in tears)

Editorial: "Religious correspondents", "Vaticanists": don't know more about Conclave than us
During “Sede Vacante” what must priests say in the Eucharistic Prayer now that there is no Pope?
What is a [Catholic] Cardinal? A Basic Review of the College of Cardinals in History and Today
Benedict XVI's first night as Pope emeritus
Toward the Conclave. The Pressure on the Cardinals [Catholic Caucus]
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Update on Conclave Start Date
Cardinal Dolan: Pope Benedict 'fragile' on last day of papacy (good handling of msm)
Prayer for the Election of a New Pope
Interregnum Terms and Expressions, Q and A Format (Nuts & Bolts-current situation) [Catholic Caucus]

15 posted on 03/03/2013 4:29:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: itssme

Sorry for the double post..out of my control.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 4:30:09 PM PST by itssme
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To: fanfan; Cincinna

Pope, er Poll FReep —

Question of the Day:
Should the next pope be from the U.S.? What are the odds?
By Paula Holmes-Greeley
http://www.mlive.com/opinion/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/03/question_of_the_day_should_the_5.html

Betting On The Next Pope Puts
Cardinal Peter Turkson [Ghana] As Favorite,
Peter The Likely Papal Name
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/betting-on-the-next-pope-puts-cardinal-peter-turkson-as-favorite-peter-the-likely-papal-name-28435/

Cardinals From Canada, Africa Lead in Papal Betting
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-11/ghana-s-turkson-favorite-to-be-next-pope-after-benedict-resigns.html

Oddsmakers have Canadian as leading pope candidate
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/02/11/pope-bookies.html

Benedict’s successor: Bookmakers offer odds on who will be next pope
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57568729/benedicts-successor-bookmakers-offer-odds-on-who-will-be-next-pope/

Bookmakers offer odds on papal candidates including Marc Ouellet, Bono
http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bookmakers-offer-odds-on-papal-candidates-including-marc-ouellet-bono-1.1151969


17 posted on 03/03/2013 4:32:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SMCC1

First of all, it is doubtful Angelo Scola will get it, the Italians had a good run. Second, Peter Erdo of Hungary, not well known, but is possible. Other than because of the upcoming World Youth Day in Brazil, possible but not sure. Same with Ouellet of Canada.


18 posted on 03/03/2013 4:35:35 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: itssme
Peter Turkson from Ghana. He was schooled in Rome.
Which would be interesting considering the "Peter the Roman" prophecy of St. Malachy.
19 posted on 03/03/2013 4:37:58 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: NYer

He who goes in as Pope, comes out as a Cardinal.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 4:37:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Salvation

“The anti-Christ is supposed to come from Europe so we don’t want a European.”

That is a surprise. I thought that it would be from a Middle Eastern country.

Learned something new today.


21 posted on 03/03/2013 4:46:20 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dfwgator

It is much more easier to pick this year’s NCAA’s basketball champions than to pick a Pope which is in the domain of the Holy Spirit.


22 posted on 03/03/2013 4:49:12 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Yep, since the Gators are going to win it. ;)


23 posted on 03/03/2013 4:51:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

You could be right, but then again, keep a close eye on the newest number #1 team, the Bulldogs from Gonzagia. They are a team full of surprises.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 4:54:31 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

I heard DiNardo ‘s name mentioned on EWTN radio the other day. He’d be a long shot, but he’d be a good one.

I’m guessing the next pope will be from Africa.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 4:54:51 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: itssme

“Group prayer is needed here.”

I’m thinking a group exorcism is what’s needed, both in DC and The Vatican. I’m wondering what would happen if a group of people who believed and trusted Jesus were to join hands and encircle the capitol and tell Satan to begone in the name of Jesus Christ. I don’t imagine that will happen, but maybe it should.


26 posted on 03/03/2013 5:04:30 PM PST by Josephat
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To: Salvation

Nice job! (and whoops on me)


27 posted on 03/03/2013 5:08:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Biggirl; Salvation

Sean O’Malley?


28 posted on 03/03/2013 5:17:52 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: NYer

Considering Benedict XVI’s resignation because of old age and ill health, I think it unlikely Cardinal Arinze would be elected. He’s older than Cardinal Ratzinger was at his election. But who knows, he may be just who the Holy Spirit wants for us at this time.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 5:19:23 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SMCC1
Sean O’Malley?
That's one of Tony Adams' picks.
Tony Adams is a writer, editor, retired CFO, and Roman Catholic priest. He is Senior Features Correspondent with South Florida Gay News and is the editor of the 20-member queer arts and culture blog Queer New York...Tony and husband Chris have been together almost 30 years and were married in Connecticut in December 2008. http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/sfgn-columnists/columnists/tony-adams-column/9286-column-looking-for-a-gay-friendly-pope-top-5-candidates.html

30 posted on 03/03/2013 5:25:31 PM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

Yeah, I’m not a fan. But his name keeps popping up in the foreign/Italian media. Just trying to guess.
Personally, I’m hoping for Ouellet or Arinze (possibly too old though and they’re looking for someone to manage the curia).


31 posted on 03/03/2013 5:34:27 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: Salvation

There is no indication whatsoever that the anti-christ will be European. he could be a Muslim for all we know.


32 posted on 03/03/2013 6:31:42 PM PST by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: SuziQ

Yeah but Arinze may be healthier at 80 than Ratzinger was at 78. Ratzinger had had heart trouble for some time. It’s really amazing that he survived as long as he did.

He’s a shy man. He did what he was called to do by sheer will power for nearly 8 years. Holy man, that Holy Father.


33 posted on 03/03/2013 8:14:51 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: NYer
"Suggestion: Let's post a thread with the names of those cardinals who have not been named by the media."

Cardinal Mahoney may be the only one who hasn't had his name put forward yet by someone in the media, but give them time...

34 posted on 03/03/2013 8:49:59 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("O sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth!" Psalm 96:1)
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To: Salvation

>The anti-Christ is supposed to come from Europe so we don’t want a European.<

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Where is that written?

You mean to tell us that he couldn’t come from Kenya or Hawaii?


35 posted on 03/03/2013 9:24:31 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: ponygirl
EVERYONE: GOOGLE THE NAME CARDINAL PETER TURKSON OF GHANA. THIS IS THE CARDINAL WHO PUT FORTH THE IDEA THAT A “NEW WORLD ORDER” IS WHAT THIS WORLD NEEDS. THIS GUY IS NOTHING BUT A SOCIALIST, AND HE IS SPOKEN OF AS A FAVORITE TO REPLACE POPE BENEDICT. APPARENTLY, AFTER THIS DECREE CAME OUT, POPE BENEDICT CAME OUT AND STATED THAT A “NEW WORLD ORDER” IS NOT WHAT HE ASCRIBES TO. IN OTHER WORDS, HE SHOT DOWN TURKSON AND HIS “IDEOLOGY.’

Google the name and read about it. And pass it on to others. This Cardinal MUST NOT BE OUR NEW POPE.

36 posted on 03/03/2013 9:47:04 PM PST by itssme
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To: itssme

I don’t like him and don’t think he will be the next Pope.


37 posted on 03/03/2013 10:07:45 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SMCC1

Or Angelo Cardinal Bagnasco of Genoa, a disciple of his predecessor Cardinal Siri which is a verrrrry good thing to be. Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith of Sri Lanka. Robert Cardinal Sarah of Guinea.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 10:47:50 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Josephat
I’m wondering what would happen if a group of people who believed and trusted Jesus were to join hands and encircle the capitol and tell Satan to begone in the name of Jesus Christ. I don’t imagine that will happen, but maybe it should.

It happens frequently. Care to join us? A Protestant minister named Patrick Mahoney often assembles groups to pray over and encircle major buildings like the Supreme Court or the White House. He is a great force for good in the fight against abortion and Obamacare, among other things. Sometimes he brings Catholic priests on board during these prayer meetings/demonstrations.

39 posted on 03/03/2013 11:11:54 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: itssme

Let the Holy Spirit do His job!


40 posted on 03/04/2013 3:43:45 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BlackElk

....Or Cardinal Raymond Burke, USA, Cardinal Tangle, Philipines.


41 posted on 03/04/2013 5:54:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Let the Holy Spirit do His job!

___________________________

Excellent!

And we must do our job: pray.

http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/2013/03/04/your-conclave

;-)


42 posted on 03/04/2013 7:32:23 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Biggirl
The Holy Spirit will do his job. And God does help those who help themselves. We must educate all Catholics on who Cardinal Peter Turkson IS, that he is a Socialist from Ghana, and that he must not be elected Pope. We may not have any input on the election of the Pope, but we must be informed, and the Catholic Church and its Cardinals must understand that we will not stand for Socialism, in any form, in the Catholic Church. Socialism is evil, and secretive in its methods of infiltration..we must be aware of this fact and stop Socialism from fully infiltrating the Catholic Church, from infiltrating the position of Pope. We must be vocal in our opposition to this insidious infiltration into our very religion.
43 posted on 03/04/2013 8:11:23 AM PST by itssme
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To: SumProVita

That is all we can do right, pray and wait.


44 posted on 03/04/2013 8:24:10 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: itssme

Nothing to fear from Cd. Turkson. The Archduke-Elector will exercise his veto if he’s elected. /s


45 posted on 03/04/2013 9:00:12 AM PST by Oratam
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To: itssme

Nothing to fear from Cd. Turkson. The Archduke-Elector will exercise his veto if he’s elected. /s


46 posted on 03/04/2013 9:00:37 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Oratam
Could you explain the position of Archduke-Elector? You've noted that your comment is sarcasm. And this gives me further pause as to the extent of Socialism's infiltration of the Catholic Church, and how we can stop it.
47 posted on 03/04/2013 9:27:51 AM PST by itssme
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To: itssme
There was a time when European princes claimed the right to veto the election of any cardinal to which they were opposed. This right, dubious at best, was asserted only a few times in history.

Due to the sealed nature of conclave a cardinal representative of say the archduke of Austria would go in with a short list of unacceptable papabiles. In the event one of them was elected that cardinal representative would announce the royal or imperial prerogative.

48 posted on 03/04/2013 12:34:14 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Salvation

Priests were instructed to lead the faithful in the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel on Sunday (and all Sundays until the new pope is elected) in the NY Archdiocese. I read that as an indicator of how bad things are right now.


49 posted on 03/04/2013 12:43:48 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Biggirl
I do not dare hope for Raymond Cardinal Burke. He may be the very best among them. As pope, he would leave no one in confusion as to the tenets and truth of the Faith.

Luis Cardinal Tagle seems to be a fine man but he is young (55 years old) and only installed as a cardinal in November, 2012.

Whomever the Holy Spirit prefers among all available has just got to be the best choice whatever my preferences.

God bless you and yours!

P.S. Any word on a successor to Archbishop Mansell who has turned 75?

50 posted on 03/04/2013 4:31:06 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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