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Vaticanís number 2: Priest celibacy up for discussion
The Daily Caller ^ | September 12, 2013 | Caroline May

Posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Vatican’s new secretary of state, Archbishop Pietro Parolin said this week that the issue of priest celibacy is not dogma and is therefore up for discussion.

“It’s not a church dogma and it can be discussed because it is a church tradition,” Parolin told the Venezuelan El Universal, according to a translation by the National Catholic Reporter.

“The work the church did to institute ecclesiastical celibacy must be considered,” said Parolin, who will officially assume the role of secretary of state in October. “We cannot simply say that it is part of the past. It is a great challenge for the pope, because he is the one with the ministry of unity and all of those decisions must be made thinking of the unity of the church and not to divide it.....

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1 posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The better way to eliminate pederasts, is not to make clergy and marriage mutually exclusive...


2 posted on 09/14/2013 9:41:55 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

Pedophiles are homosexuals or someone the victim may already know such as a parent, uncle, cousin, coach, teacher, etc. — not priests.


3 posted on 09/14/2013 9:43:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s always been up for discussion since it is not Church dogma or doctrine but a discipline of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.


4 posted on 09/14/2013 9:46:15 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Salvation

That is interesting logic. Are you saying that because the abuser is a priest...he is not a pedophile?


5 posted on 09/14/2013 9:55:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in other words... fags on their way into the church

(hide the choir boys!)


6 posted on 09/14/2013 9:58:40 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: BigEdLB

marriage cures sex criminals?


7 posted on 09/14/2013 10:09:42 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those who dig things like abortion, ‘gay marriage,’ and priestesses are always those who invariably want the discipline of celibacy ended. Every time, as far as I have observed.

Freegards


8 posted on 09/14/2013 10:11:19 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They create an unnatural environment and are surprised when it attracts people with unnatural tendencies.


9 posted on 09/14/2013 10:13:30 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; NYer; ImaGraftedBranch; wagglebee; little jeremiah

We have precedent in this; Jewish rabbis are expected to be fruitful and multiply. In the Eastern Catholic rites, men who are married can enter the priesthood if they wish to do so.

On one hand, one can refer to Paul in 1 Corinthians, when he counsels that those who have the self-control (and this is important to note) to do so, should maintain celibacy.

On the other, it is commonly acknowledged that many of the early Apostles were married men.

At this stage in time, what would be the proper decision for this discipline of clerical celibacy in the Latin Rite?


10 posted on 09/14/2013 10:16:48 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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To: berdie

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers and other male relatives
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

___________________________________________________________

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

OPS (Omaha Public Schools) didn't report abuse allegations

ANOTHER two Texas teachers arrested for having sex with their students

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests


11 posted on 09/14/2013 10:18:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorrowfully in this age of unnatural abominations made mainstream, celibacy stands out as a grave insult to the perverse, who naturally despise such antithesis of evil.

Self control, sacrifice and offering of the priesthood, by the priest, sets them apart in this world. The Enemy is jealous of such men, wishing accordingly to devour them and bring division to the Church, wherever there is an opening.


12 posted on 09/14/2013 10:21:16 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation

That actually wasn’t my question.

The post I responded to stated “Pedophiles are (insert long list here) ...but not priests.

I never said that there were not abusers in every faith, every walk of life.

The Church has paid many dollars in lawsuits. They do not deny abuse in certain instances.

Priests can be abusers as well as any other. Just because they are “far down on the list” does not make it any less true.


13 posted on 09/14/2013 10:30:54 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Salvation

What is your source for “the most probable pedophiles” being fathers and Christian leaders?


14 posted on 09/14/2013 10:32:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Salvation
The problem in the Church is NOT pedophilia but HOMOSEXUALITY
15 posted on 09/14/2013 10:35:24 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: BillyBoy

Ping


16 posted on 09/14/2013 10:40:48 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mic'd Up "The Church's Self-Destruction" (Full Show)
17 posted on 09/14/2013 10:47:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So...I read the entire article.

The last sentence addresses the decline of men willing to be priests in the last 50 years.

This could just be about attracting leaders to the church. jmho


18 posted on 09/14/2013 10:49:04 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Salvation

Salvation,

Again, come on...I think you should know better than that.

jodyel


19 posted on 09/14/2013 11:38:26 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: BigEdLB
Not exactly.
The Priests guilty of abuse were mostly predatory homosexual men.
The victims were almost all males past puberty.
Still wrong, but not something that married priests would resolve.
Also, we already have lots of married priests. Those Priests from other faiths, who are married, and convert, are allowed to stay married and to be Catholic Priests.
20 posted on 09/14/2013 11:47:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BigEdLB

Nonsense.

In the past fifty years, there have been only about five actual pedophile priests. The rest of the abusers have been abusers of minors.

The percentage of abusers among Catholic priests is lower than in most professions—much lower. Lower than the incidence of abuse among married clergy in other churches.

Being married does not “screen out” abusers. Married men abuse their own children at a higher rate than priests abuse children.

In other words, the Catholic Church does not have an especially acute problem with sexual abuse, and celibacy has nothing to do with it.


21 posted on 09/15/2013 12:22:13 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unlike priestettes, it can be discussed. But it isn’t going to change.


22 posted on 09/15/2013 12:22:57 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First they’ll drop celibacy, then they’ll grind out priests and priestesses who are entangled in a same-sex sham marriage.

The lawsuits charging pedophilia will become a mushroom cloud over the Vatican.

Who among us doesn’t honestly believe that a new religion was created subsequent to Vatican II? To what purpose? Why to finish off the Roman Catholic Church.

Satan has a lot of time on his hands until the Second Coming.

Jesus wept.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 4:03:24 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Celibacy wasn’t required until the middle ages and it came about as a practical response to priests bankrupting their congregations with their own large families that had to be provided for through offerings...

Celibacy is unnatural , I say the church should attract more into the priesthood and not less. The church is under attack by Muslims that are multiplying like rabbits and are taught by their “god” to start multiplying at age 9... Time we joined the battle.


24 posted on 09/15/2013 4:17:57 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: ansel12

There are many sources. Start with a Google search.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 5:37:50 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Discuss it all you want. It isn’t changing, and shouldn’t.


26 posted on 09/15/2013 6:07:21 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Francis is an interesting fellow.

He does present the possibility of being a Catholic Gorbachev, but I’m not sure the Holy Spirit has not already taken that risk into account.

We will see.


27 posted on 09/15/2013 6:10:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: ansel12; Salvation

Catholic apologists.

And we know that protestant churches and secular schools shuffle child rapists around to protect them from charges. Oh. Wait. That’s Rome that does that.


28 posted on 09/15/2013 6:12:49 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: lastchance

It won’t change.


29 posted on 09/15/2013 6:13:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Well that makes it all better.

Catholics: Our Priest Rape Fewer Children!

Is that realy your best defense?

30 posted on 09/15/2013 6:17:34 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock; Salvation
Add-on to your headline:

But Our Children Are More Traumatized! They ALL Believe They Are Going To Hell Because They Cannot Get Forgiveness Of Sins! Their Pedophyle Priests Told Them So!

31 posted on 09/15/2013 6:27:00 AM PDT by smvoice (The 2 greatest days of your life: the day you're born. And the day you discover why.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Were Jesus and Paul unnatural - since both were celibate and praised celibacy?


32 posted on 09/15/2013 7:37:00 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Yes.


33 posted on 09/15/2013 7:40:04 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Neidermeyer

“Celibacy is unnatural...”

So Jesus and St. Paul commended something that is unnatural?


34 posted on 09/15/2013 7:44:14 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: James C. Bennett

Wow. So, Jesus and St. Paul were unnatural?

Well, conversation beyond this point is fruitless. If someone, in a thread about the Church, is going to say Jesus and St. Paul are unnatural, then there’s really nowhere else to go.


35 posted on 09/15/2013 7:47:24 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: al_c

No, you post the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.


36 posted on 09/15/2013 7:57:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12
Don't be lazy. Here's a simple google search for you.
37 posted on 09/15/2013 8:04:04 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Gamecock

The issue is about denominations. “Protestant” doesn’t say much when comparing other denominations to the single Catholic denomination.

Besides, what about homosexuality, do all denominations have as many homosexual ministers as the Catholics?

I think there is a question of a system that attracts homosexual men to it.


38 posted on 09/15/2013 8:09:17 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: al_c

It seems clear that you can’t post the quotes from the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.


39 posted on 09/15/2013 8:12:07 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

It seems clear that you don’t want to bother looking up the information that’s out there.


40 posted on 09/15/2013 8:31:37 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c; Salvation

No, that information is not out there, that is why you can’t post it.

It seems clear that you can’t post the quotes from the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.

But it is nice to see someone post nonsense on the internet and then when challenged to tell people to go search the net until they find what doesn’t exist.


41 posted on 09/15/2013 8:54:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

Wow ... you sure are an obstinate one, aren’t you?


42 posted on 09/15/2013 9:32:48 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: ansel12

http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/protestant-clergy-abuse-equals-or-exceeds-catholic-clergy-abuse/

since you refuse to use the google link I gave you, then start with this article.


43 posted on 09/15/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c; Salvation

Seriously.

It seems clear that you can’t post the quotes from the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.

That link was not relevant at all to yours and Salvation’s claim.


44 posted on 09/15/2013 10:12:24 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

http://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in-social-context-catholic-clergy-and-other-professionals/

you’re on your own after this one. I’ve provided some starting points for you but either you don’t really want the proof or you want to deny it.


45 posted on 09/15/2013 10:26:13 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Scripture addresses men who have a difficult time controlling sexual urges. Say’s to marry.


46 posted on 09/15/2013 10:38:49 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Arthur McGowan
>>In other words, the Catholic Church does not have an especially acute problem with sexual abuse,<<

You are disconnected from reality. In the past decade, the Holy See has dealt with over 3000 priest who committed abuse over the last fifty years.

3000 priest. What is your definition of acute?

47 posted on 09/15/2013 10:52:34 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Salvation

I think at some point it may change to allow men who are already married to be ordained based on special consideration on a case by case basis. Much like the exception already permitted for under certain circumstance. I don’t think it will ever be standard policy.


48 posted on 09/15/2013 11:48:19 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: al_c; Salvation

You two need to quit posting that phony claim.

It seems clear that you can’t post the quotes from the sources that can show us that fathers and Christian leaders are the “the most probable pedophiles”.

Posting links that don’t prove your claim doesn’t address anything, it only proves that you need to quit making it up.


49 posted on 09/15/2013 12:20:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: vladimir998

So Jesus and St. Paul commended something that is unnatural?
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Yes.


50 posted on 09/15/2013 1:18:48 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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