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Vaticanís number 2: Priest celibacy up for discussion
The Daily Caller ^ | September 12, 2013 | Caroline May

Posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 09/14/2013 9:37:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The better way to eliminate pederasts, is not to make clergy and marriage mutually exclusive...


2 posted on 09/14/2013 9:41:55 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

Pedophiles are homosexuals or someone the victim may already know such as a parent, uncle, cousin, coach, teacher, etc. — not priests.


3 posted on 09/14/2013 9:43:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s always been up for discussion since it is not Church dogma or doctrine but a discipline of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.


4 posted on 09/14/2013 9:46:15 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Salvation

That is interesting logic. Are you saying that because the abuser is a priest...he is not a pedophile?


5 posted on 09/14/2013 9:55:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in other words... fags on their way into the church

(hide the choir boys!)


6 posted on 09/14/2013 9:58:40 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: BigEdLB

marriage cures sex criminals?


7 posted on 09/14/2013 10:09:42 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those who dig things like abortion, ‘gay marriage,’ and priestesses are always those who invariably want the discipline of celibacy ended. Every time, as far as I have observed.

Freegards


8 posted on 09/14/2013 10:11:19 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They create an unnatural environment and are surprised when it attracts people with unnatural tendencies.


9 posted on 09/14/2013 10:13:30 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; NYer; ImaGraftedBranch; wagglebee; little jeremiah

We have precedent in this; Jewish rabbis are expected to be fruitful and multiply. In the Eastern Catholic rites, men who are married can enter the priesthood if they wish to do so.

On one hand, one can refer to Paul in 1 Corinthians, when he counsels that those who have the self-control (and this is important to note) to do so, should maintain celibacy.

On the other, it is commonly acknowledged that many of the early Apostles were married men.

At this stage in time, what would be the proper decision for this discipline of clerical celibacy in the Latin Rite?


10 posted on 09/14/2013 10:16:48 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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To: berdie

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers and other male relatives
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

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Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

OPS (Omaha Public Schools) didn't report abuse allegations

ANOTHER two Texas teachers arrested for having sex with their students

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests


11 posted on 09/14/2013 10:18:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorrowfully in this age of unnatural abominations made mainstream, celibacy stands out as a grave insult to the perverse, who naturally despise such antithesis of evil.

Self control, sacrifice and offering of the priesthood, by the priest, sets them apart in this world. The Enemy is jealous of such men, wishing accordingly to devour them and bring division to the Church, wherever there is an opening.


12 posted on 09/14/2013 10:21:16 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation

That actually wasn’t my question.

The post I responded to stated “Pedophiles are (insert long list here) ...but not priests.

I never said that there were not abusers in every faith, every walk of life.

The Church has paid many dollars in lawsuits. They do not deny abuse in certain instances.

Priests can be abusers as well as any other. Just because they are “far down on the list” does not make it any less true.


13 posted on 09/14/2013 10:30:54 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Salvation

What is your source for “the most probable pedophiles” being fathers and Christian leaders?


14 posted on 09/14/2013 10:32:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Salvation
The problem in the Church is NOT pedophilia but HOMOSEXUALITY
15 posted on 09/14/2013 10:35:24 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: BillyBoy

Ping


16 posted on 09/14/2013 10:40:48 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mic'd Up "The Church's Self-Destruction" (Full Show)
17 posted on 09/14/2013 10:47:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So...I read the entire article.

The last sentence addresses the decline of men willing to be priests in the last 50 years.

This could just be about attracting leaders to the church. jmho


18 posted on 09/14/2013 10:49:04 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Salvation

Salvation,

Again, come on...I think you should know better than that.

jodyel


19 posted on 09/14/2013 11:38:26 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: BigEdLB
Not exactly.
The Priests guilty of abuse were mostly predatory homosexual men.
The victims were almost all males past puberty.
Still wrong, but not something that married priests would resolve.
Also, we already have lots of married priests. Those Priests from other faiths, who are married, and convert, are allowed to stay married and to be Catholic Priests.
20 posted on 09/14/2013 11:47:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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