Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
Reuters and other news agencies are reporting that the Pope has capitulated on several issues such as homosexuality, abortion and contraception.
The Pope’s remarks were taken from a 12,000 word interview with the Jesuit periodical, Civilta Cattolica, (Catholic Civilization) the most prominent statement reaching news agencies is his declaration that the church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and homosexuality.
The Pope has pleased the liberal factions of the Catholic Church and sickened and worried the conservative members of the church.
Few have reported on the prophetic implications of the Pope’s remarks and with some exceptions, such as those made by Evangelist Bill Keller, most protestant news outlets remain free of op-eds or theological treatment of the Pope’s interview, at the moment.
Biblical Theology and Catholic Teachings – Always at Odds
Hundreds of traditional or patristic teachings of Catholicism are either in direct conflict with the bible or do not exist in the scriptures at all.
The list of theological discrepancies has been addressed repeatedly for centuries and there would be little room to cover them all in one short article.
What we must point out is that on two very important levels, those who stand on scripture can’t ever recognize the authority of the Pope – it has never been a matter of whether they like him or not, nor is it a matter of personal choosing.
First, Because of the Greek rendering of Matthew 16: 18, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Protestants believe that Christ was referring to himself as the Rock, not Peter. This is supported by other scriptural passages, to wit:
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (Mt 16: 18b)
Secondly, not one word in the bible speaks of ‘apostolic succession.’ It is a concoction of the Roman church, not a biblical teaching. It is very difficult even to support the teaching in view of the fact that there was no Catholic church for over 300 years after Christ came into the world. Most Catholics are totally unaware of this fact. They have been told they are the ‘first church,’ but true history betrays them.
Simply because these facts cannot keep the childlike faith of any Catholic from reaching the Savior does not justify or verify the truth of Catholicism’s origins. It is simply a matter of Catholics being saved or redeemed not because of their religion – but in spite of it!
The Real and Present Danger in the Discrepancies between the Papacy and the Bible
Gentle, but firm, is the only way to approach addressing the errors of Catholicism at the same time knowing that millions of Catholics are of the family of faith simply because Jesus said “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (Jn 6: 37)
Yet, it is more than an item of curiosity or some minor theological difference; it is a dire sense of urgency and concern, especially in the last days, that causes anyone who knows scripture to make fair warning.
I have repeated this warning so often that I think my publishers may think I’ve run out of new things to say. I’ll take that chance, as opposed to risking a confrontation with my Savior for not making it as abundantly clear as possible, while there is still time.
What warning you ask!
Any religion, Catholic or other, that derives its ultimate authority from a man is subject to heresy, apostasy and error depending on the personality, the current state of mind or the evolvement of personal ideologies in that man.
Faith based solely on the scriptures, the written accounts of Christ’s teaching and his Apostles and biblical prophets cannot be altered, changed or disputed until the very last day of time. God intended this; it is his way of grounding us on a rock instead of the sinking sands of a changing and unstable world, to wit:
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” (Mt 7: 24, 25)
Christ relegated his authority to his Apostles and their teachings too are on the same level as his. They were not mere scribes or interpreters of his will they were Holy Spirit inspired and authorized to speak as final authorities.
“He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10: 16)
Finally, since we will not be judged by what other men say – why would we waste time or risk being found in total error. Why not go to the source of truth and take Christ’s warning seriously?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (Jn 12: 48)
So what did the Apostles really say about abortion, homosexuality and issues of the day?
The prophetic part of the bible contradicts the Pope’s assertion that believers are obsessed with homosexuality and abortion. In fact it warns that in the last days it is possession (demonic) that will fuel the slide into apostasy the world over.
Political correctness, floundering Pontiff’s and general acceptance of everything the bible condemns, is proof immutable, that the NWO, apostasy and the emergence of the Antichrist are well on track for the very near future. ‘Just don’t talk about it’ is the advice of fools. If the only choices are between obsession and possession it’s pretty much a no brainer.
Not only is homosexuality referred to as an abomination, to be noted, rebuked and refused as part of the church, but immoral behaviors were cause for people to be put out of the church and not allowed back in until they had fully repented. (1Co 5: 1-7) Should the perversion of same sex acts and marriage be an exception?
The idea of the Pope suggesting that we are over-talking the subject of abortions reaches to the heights of apostasy. The only voices the over two hundred million aborted babies worldwide have - is ours. Telling us to be silent is the moral equivalent of blasphemy.
After the Sandy Hook massacre of innocent children the liberals went after guns with a vengeance. Doesn’t it seem hypocritical that after 60,000,000 abortions in the U.S. and 160,000,000 abortions worldwide that telling us to pipe down is the only thing the Pope can think of to say? We will never be silent, or to borrow a phrase, you can pry my anti-abortion argument from my cold dead lips, but no other way.
The Folly of Following the Fallen
Has the Pope taken his first steps into the last day’s (apostasy) falling away? We can only hope he has not, but if this is the beginning of it, it is also the end of everything as we have known it.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” (2 Th 2: 3)
Seems protestants or rather most Fundamentalists find the notion of Luke 1:48, “all generations will call me blessed” as silly. In turn, many may then say “but we do” but it certainly appears disingenuous.
“He pointed out that the catholic church didn’t even come into existence for several hundred years... “
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The combination ‘the Catholic Church’ (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110.
The Holy Spirit will not indwell and seal believers as He does now in the Church Age...but He will come upon them as He did in Old Testament times and minister to believers. But believers in the tribulation will be tasked with keeping their faith. It is not guaranteed as ours is now. The following sites can give more insight.
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/the-holy-spirit-and-the-tribulation
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/in-the-tribulation-who-are-sealed/
Dr. Thomas Ice of the Pre-Trib.org website is the executive director and a list of his articles is here:
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/ttcol.html
http://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/prophecy/understanding-the-olivet-discourse-parables/
Here is the difference, AFPC: Catholics are not Christians and as such fall under the same admonition from Christ for evangelization that unbelievers outside the Catholic church do. No difference. They have not been born again of the Spirit and filled with the Spirit. So I am under no obligation except to proclaim the Gospel to them as I would to a Muslim, a Hindu, a Mormon, or anyone else in a false religion.
Catholics are professing Christians, or Christians in Name Only. You may think that I am harsh and so may many others here but where matters of an eternal soul are concerned, I will be as harsh as I need be to wake people up, stop appeasing their false doctrine, and bring them out of that abomination that is leading them all to Hell.
The only allegiance I have is to the Lord. Time is short and you can either pussyfoot around so as not to hurt their feelings or you can stand up for Christ and display righteous anger over their unsaved status.
Thanks for your post,
jodyel
Jodyel, the good thing to remember is that whether one believes in “pre,” “mid” or “post-tribulation” “rapture” (a word not found in the Bible), it is not a make-or-break salvation issue. All who call on the name of Jesus will be saved.
As you may know, the idea that Jesus is going to secretly come back for His church before His second coming is a new “doctrine,” only created in the 19th century. There are plenty of scriptures that debunk it, as you likely know.
But, as I said, no one is “going to hell” for thinking the Lord is coming back at any certain time. It’s just that it may very well rock the foundation of “pre-trib rapture” believers if they find themselves in the middle of the great tribulation and wonder why they weren’t snatched away. It could really shake one’s faith.
True for believers, but not in the case of Catholics.
And that is who my post was meant for.
Not sure where that 19th century theory comes from but we can leave it for another time.
And I am so angry that they are so deceived I can hold back no longer.
Thanks, WXRGina.
When Pope Francis has turned the Catholic Church down the path of liberation theology and social justice. Liberation Theology has as its roots, Marxism. Pope Francis is leading the Church into the realm of heresy and apostasy.
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Actually, Francis has preached about the problem of liberation being rooted in Marxism, and that, because of that and its twisting of the The Gospel, that it must never be accepted. He has been quite vocal about this....which earned him the wrath of several of his dissident Jesuit brothers in Latin America.
Would your rather I sit back and appease him in his folly?
Sorry, but that won’t happen.
These people are perishing and I am sick and tired of this kinder, gentler nonsense that says we have to not say it like it is.
The whole thing is personal, it is a personal relationship with Christ...what part of it is not personal? We server a PERSONAL GOD!!!
Catholics are professing Christians, or Christians in Name Only.
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I think you mean well, but you are not correct about this. Though there are some Catholics who are so in name only (just as there are others who identify themselves as Christians but do not live that actively), there are also many who have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and know Him to be their Savior.
Those who DO have this intimate relationship with the Savior should be working together to help others to see the power of the Good News. Now THAT would be a great witness!
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Oh, I’m very much with you there, Jodyel, and the vicious hostility many of them exhibit when their beliefs are challenged is quite “impressive.”
The “pre-tribulation rapture” theory is credited to John Darby in the 1830s. An Internet search of his name and “rapture” will bring plenty of results, like: http://ichthys.com/mail-pre-Trib%20rapture%20origin%20and%20danger.htm
and: http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm
Thanks, Jodyel!
But the Catholic Church existed from the time of Christ when he founded it on the Apostles, the first Bishops.
Yes, I was referring to written historical evidence.
The reason such posts get pulled, e.g. your #78, or posters warned is that ad hominems in religious debate often provoke more of the same in reply and quickly spiral into flame wars which ruin the forum for everyone else.
Thank you.
No, they were catholic, universal.
The capital "c" was added later so some could claim that the only Christians at the time Jesus walked the earth were Catholics, when in fact they were Christians.
say thanks to the Catholics!!
The scriptures come from God, not "Catholics."
Christians thank God, Catholics thank Catholics.
Believe in what you wish, but attempting to change Christians from following God to following a "Pope" (or your misrepresentations lol) is folly.
What’s a forum without rodeo clowns? We all need to laugh every once in a while. Otherwise, it’s just “suit ‘em up, bring ‘em in, and watch the mayhem unfold”. Much like the Roman Forum of old. We even have the “thumbs up, thumbs down” audience participation scenes. Why not let loose the hounds of horrific humor and see where it takes us...:)
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Thank you so much for your encouragement, dear Nervous Tick, and for sharing your views!
Assuming that your statements infers that there are posters here that post hate towards Catholics (re individual posters who are Catholic) that is not possible, as they would be kicked out of the RF and FR also if that attitude is kept up. That's been my experience of observations.
Also, Catholics that post hate towards Christians are also restricted from posting.
Just a little clarity here.
If you have ever followed any of the Mormon threads on FR, you will see that many Mormons were banned for hating Christians for the mere act of posting truths about their false un Godly belief system
Sounds like he’s speeding along the RCC’s end times, ecumenism role. Get rid of God’s Word, and what’s left? Man’s ideas and traditions, doing whatever is right in his own eyes.
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