Skip to comments.Has the Pope Taken His First Steps into Last Days Apostasy?
Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
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You are correct but we wouldnt be the salt if it werent for the Holy Spirit.
BTW Enough salt and it actually halts the decay. Think prosciutto.
A cutesy cartoon, huh? Good luck with that, Narses. I wish you the best.
vivid imagination that you have there....no idols, the beads count prayers, and paganistic rituals??????you mean such as Christmas???
That some posters try to categorize ALL Catholics in certain ways. Was my example to explicit? LOL!
I didn't think up the number, I merely copied the hypothetical number that someone else posted....a meaningless number nevertheless...
Catholicism is the reason that there is a need for denominations....there is Catholicism and the revolters against her need names....thus denominations....simple as that
I interpret NOTHING...I leave that up to the church leaders who have been doing it for 2,000+ years. It was NOT Himself that Jesus was referring to as the rock upon He would build His church...it was, indeed, peter or there would have been no need at all for the statement...I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven....does that mean that He was going to keep them for Himself?????
I'm sorry, Mr. Terycarl. The Word of God is only spiritually discerned, and God calls us to seek its meaning. He calls us to seek His knowledge, wisdom and understanding. We have no need that any man teach us its meaning, because when we seek the Lord, His spirit illuminates the meaning of Scripture to our minds and spirits. Without the Spirit of God to help us understand His Word, we will not understand it, and will instead fall into deception.
What you wrote above is wrong. Jesus is the God of all creation. He is the Rock, the Foundation. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. No man gets to the Father except through Him.
Please stop putting your faith in fallen man, Mr. Terycarl.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
PS: Christ gives the keys to the Kingdom to all believers in Christ, Mr. Terycarl.
Reliable Roman sources say Abp Piero Marini is the next head of the Congregation of Divine Worship... I wonder how the neo-cats will spin this.
This was supposed to be a PM but at this point I don’t care anymore. Let the dice fly where they may.
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear YHAOS! You are an unfailing blessing to me, too.
Tell me, are you thankful to the Jews for "preserving" the word of God for over three THOUSAND years before Christians arrived? Unless you are willing to do that, I don't see how it can be justified that everyone must thank the "Catholics" (capital "c") for doing so.
Perhaps I should report to the mod?
What thinks you, boatbums?
I thinks the mods have enough on their plates without those with too tender feelings either running to them like they're Mom or complaining when they don't think Mom is being "fair". We are all grown-ups, aren't we? ;o)
We all have to have a purpose in life, sitetest, and I guess tattling is yours.
Yes, I see that the Catholics here pride themselves on their intellect. But I’ve no need to go any further than Jesus Himself to make my point.
If you want deep theological discussions, as Catholics are wont to do, then no you won’t find anything of interest from me. All I care about is telling others about Jesus and the simple way He saves. There are far better than me among the believers on FR that can teach deeper Christian meaning.
So my posts are not for Catholics...they are for those seekers who know nothing of the Lord and who could be led astray by Roman doctrine. My calling is to represent truth, not religion or high-minded theology.
Good day to you.
Well, I was being facetious anyway.
Not my style. I’d rather send you hurtling off the planet with a blast of fury...so much more satisfying. lol
“We all have to have a purpose in life, sitetest,...”
My purposes in life aren't related to Free Republic.
I visit FR because it's the best news aggregator on the Internet.
Once upon a time, discussion of religions topics between non-Catholic Christians and Catholics here at FR was often a worthwhile pursuit. Before the rise of the Religion Forum in its current form, with its current rules, there were actually meaningful conversations between people who saw Salvation History through different lens. Some of these conversations were, actually, quite deep, theologically. And illuminating, at least for me, helping me to understand why others believe differently from how I believe.
Some of the non-Catholic Christians here touched me, personally, quite deeply, with their love of God and their deep understanding of Him, even if that understanding was different from my own.
But just as bad money drives out good money, bad posting drives out good posting.
And the current regime in place encouraged a sort of bad posting, and thus, by necessity, drove out the good.
The result of these things is that the forum now hosts folks self-persuaded that they are the prophets of the Lord! Folks self-persuaded that their need to engage in personal cruelty and indecency are actually signs of their appointment as prophets of the Lord! Yay! Go, team, go!
In my view, there are significant problems with how the Religion Forum is run. I've said what I think to the Religion Moderator, on more than one occasion. He, being a person who thinks he's open and fair-minded, listened to me. But it doesn't appear to me that he ever was able to wrap his head around what I was saying.
Well, it's not my site (as we are all reminded regularly), so I do my best to obey the rules of the site, to "stay within the lines." But as I said, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
So we continue to be a site that hosts some of the most scurrilous hate screeds around, given to us by individuals who mostly are charlatans or in need of psychotherapy.
But there's an occasional article of interest. And further, I've been here going on 16 years, and have made friends, and like to check in on them now and then. Some of these folks, I've known through FR for a while, and I'd miss them. And FR is still the best news aggregator on the Internet.
I have no interest in at all in anything you have to say. Yours is not the gospel of Jesus. It has nothing to do with Christ or God. But your inept posts do make me chuckle.
And I try to look for the silver lining in every cloud.
Instead of griping, you could have just posted a ‘better’ source.
Original source. All of one split second on google.
Yes, but used nevertheless to divert from the Truth about God and His church.
Common tactic by Catholics, use unnecessary meaningless straw man arguments to bolster belief in Catholicism. Following the tactics of the Catholic "Church Fathers."
Catholicism is the reason that there is a need for denominations....there is Catholicism and the revolters against her need names....thus denominations....simple as thatThe Christian church that Jesus started is the church of Christians.
Soon after He started His church, the Catholics became the first denomination of Christianity.
By retroactively declaring all Christians of the church that Jesus started to be "Catholics"---about 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.
So the Catholic Church was the first denomination to revolt against Christianity--by in esscence putting themselves as the "Church" instead of the Christians believers of the time being the real Christian church.
I have spent many dozens of hours attempting to teach you the milk of the Scriptures, yet it seems you are not ready for the meat that believers usually graduate too.
I have no problem with you believing in all that is Catholicism, but don't expect Christians to capitulate to their belief system.
May God bless you as your read the Scriptures after sincerely praying for the Holy Spirit to guide you into all understanding.
"I interpret NOTHING...I leave that up to the church leaders who have been doing it for 2,000+ years"
WXRGina, that pretty much clears up a lot.
Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men.
So... which one is closer to what I said I thought the Pope meant ?
no He didn't, He gave the keys to the kingdom of Heaven to Peter to proclaim that he would be titular head of His church after He had left the Earth....we all have the promise of Heaven, but we certainly don't have the keys and far too many of us refuse the heavenly gift and choose to disobey the rules and live lives that are not acceptable to God.....no Heaven there
When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of 'good will to men', even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the peace on earth which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).
The 3 wise men brought gifts to the manger for baby Jesus.
This is where the gift-giving of Christmas comes from.
The tree, wreath and crap I can live without.
Hmmm, still no credit to the Jews ey?
I guess that explains all the jokes that begin with, "A guy died and St. Peter met him at the pearly gates of heaven...". ;o)
In truth, though, Jesus gave ALL His disciples the "keys to the kingdom of heaven" which is the gospel. See John 20:21-23, and not just the one passage in Matthew that is misinterpreted to single out Peter only as the holder of the keys. Keys OPEN doors - Jesus IS the door to the sheepfold - and the gospel is the way that souls are admitted into it. That is also why the "gates of hell/hades" would not prevail. The gospel is the key to those gates, as well, and all who come to Christ will be delivered.
So, yes, we ALL also have those keys, as we minster together to proclaim the saving truth of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and was raised for our justification. The only succession spoken of in Scripture is one of a handing down of the "rule of faith" and not a special office called "Apostle". THAT one had very specific qualifiers and is why there are no more living Apostles today. Christ is the head of the church and he will never fail us. As Christians, we have the SAME Holy Spirit that Jesus breathed on his disciples and we, also, are given the ministry of reconciling the world to God through the gospel.
Please show the scripture that teaches the celebration of Christs birth.
I wasn’t holding my breath. ;o)
OF COURSE we should be thankful to the Jews for writing and preserving the teachings of God up until the new testament era...without the Jews and their historical and religious records, we would know nothing of how religious history developed....the Catholics took over from there...the Jews still continue with their writings as they had before, but they deny the Messiah....Christians recognize the Messiah and while we continue to honor and respect the old testament, we are now continueing to write the new testament. Bible history goes on and it always will....it didn't stop with Jesus, it continues so we can understand God's workings in the modern world...we know about the revolution, we know about Vatican councils, we know about dogmas added as time went by, and we will know a thousand years from now what the church did during those years.
Thank you for the confirmation of my statement.
Understanding the meat of the Scriptures is a big step!
Bible history does NOT continue on. It ceased with the writing of the Holy Spirit through John with the Book of Revelation. You may THINK what you are receiving is “Bible history”, but...
Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men.
I thought the same thing, Syncro.
you mention something about 300 years...in the first 300 years of Christianity, the Catholic Church, (the only Christian church at the time) had 29 Popes...Peter, Linus, Cletus, Clement, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Thesphorus, Hyginus,Pius I, Anicletus, Sofer, Eleutherius, VictorI, Zephyrinus, Callistus, Urban I, Pontain, Anterus, Fabian, Cornelius, Lucius I, Stephen I, Sixtus II, Dionysius, Felix I, Eutychian, Caius, and Marcellinus 296-304....I have no idea how you missed all these guys, they are all saints.
Retroactive popes, retroactive "Catholics," there were only Christians until Catholics became a Christian denomination.
It's interesting that there was no need for denominations, all believers were Christians, until the Catholic denomination came along and "claimed" all Christians were Catholic.
Then of course other denominations sprung up to counter the denomination run by men, Catholicism.
Christians naturally balked at that idea, as they followed God, not men. (Shades of the Pharisees!)
Remember your post where you stated (quoting my post)Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men.
There were no popes for hundreds of years, MEN saying there were by rewriting history is close to blaspheme.
It appears you are not ready for the meat of the Word of God, my mistake trying to teach you Biblical Truths apparently beyond your comprehension as you repeat the same false beliefs over and over.
Except I am so glad your realize that Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men. One step at a time out of darkness into light!
such nonsense...did the old testament end with Adam and Eve??? as history goes on, so does the church...the revolution is part of the new testament, we are part of it...to suggest that it ended with Christ and the Apostles is to unwrite history...pathetic.
my post didn't print for whatever reason or another....be advised, it will!!!
Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men. (Your best post ever!)
When an errant Christian tries to go against God's will, sometimes the Holy Spirit intervenes.
I do indeed remember it, however you will notice that the statement was in italics which means that I was repeating your statement... I went on to say, however that god chose some men to interpret better than others....if you put 100 people in a room, give them a scripture to interpret, do you really think that all, even though all are Christians, will come up with identical interpretations.....I'd think not.
I, and most Christians rely on help from those taught to interpret scripture, they and others before them devote their lives to studying the bible and its writings...Catholics wrote the new testament and it is a wise choice to allow them to interpret it. God used mankind to bring forth His message, to write it and interpret it so that all could understand it. To suppose that you are as capable as the learned men of church history to do so is arrogant at best.
Oh it does? Since when?
See post #336 where apparently you are saying that all the italicized words were mine?
Never would I say those first few "groups" of words, they are completely false and are just the made up ideas of men.
Remember, "Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men."
I am a Christian, not a Catholic.
now you are stooping to the mechanics and their useage in FR....low blow, if I , or you, make a typo or an error in posting, it changes nothing....I am right and you are wrong....that's a fact, I am Catholic and you are some denomination...too bad....so sad.
Again, you have posted your words mixed with mine in italic after stating that you use italics ONLY to quote another poster, not yourself.
The infantile excuses and arrogance of Catholic posters who post false quotes and follow the teachings of men instead of God is appalling.
The real low bow is stating a rule used and violating it and then blaming it on another poster.
Catholics that stay on the pabulum of the Word of God and follow the false teachings of men instead of the Word of God are missing the awesome relationship with God that is offered to Christians.
Your quote, the most awesome post I have seen by a Catholic on FR:
Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men.
The Truth of Scriptures and the Holy Spirit helping others post that Truth is really cool.
Again, I strongly object to quotes attributed to me containing Catholic talking points of men which I do not follow.
Read your Bible and you will see that the Apostles referred to all Christians at the time (they were NOT Catholics as claimed in Catholic rewritten history) as saints, any denomination (Catholicism being the first denomination of Christianity which was countered by born again Christian followers of Jesus) that raises up only a few as "saints" who then dress and act like Pharisees does not understand the simple faith taught by Jesus.
May God bless you with teachings grounded in the Word through the Holy Spirit.
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A false and directly personal attack and mind reading which is not allowed on the Religion forum. I will not report it as it should stand to show the difference between Christians and the arrogance of some Catholics.
Ignorance can not be pled as I have declared over and over again that I am not Protestant nor do I follow any denomination, just the Word of God, Jesus.
sorry about saying that you were of a denomination...as an individual interpreter of scripture, you are pretty much on your own....whatever you say....you believe....never mind the 2,000 ywars of learned men and women who have studied scripture endlessly and have come to intelligeng conclusions....many of these people have devoted their entire lives to this end and you seem to feel that you can do it better....maybe you can, who am I to judge, but if I had to bet my spiritual life on it, and I do, I'd stick with fathers of the church..like Aquinas ....
Stop right there. I, as a Christian, allow the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, not myself and certainly not men as Catholicism does.
I have posted this information to you many times, so please stop thinking you can read my mind and then make false statements about me.
Interesting, after "apologizing" you then make another false statement about me. Kinda like leftist politicians "apologize"
...never mind the 2,000 ywars of learned men and women who have studied scripture endlessly and have come to intelligeng conclusions
Yes, I imagine those that wrote the Catholic version of Christainity did it with their intelligeng. That is an excellent word to describe those that "interpret" for Catholic Church doctrine.
....maybe you can, who am I to judge
Oh like judging that I am a Protestant, that I am an "individual interpreter of scripture" and that I am a member of a denomination etc?
You seem to have no problem judging others, although incorrectly. It's kinda hard to see around that beam, huh?
...if I had to bet my spiritual life on it, and I do, I'd stick with fathers of the church..like Aquinas ....
Big mistake IMO, they will not lead you to salvation.
Again, I prefer the Biblical approach to understanding what God wants...through the Holy Spirit's interpretation.
I'm amazed that anyone would bet there eternal salvation on mere men. Or anything for that matter. Just WOW.