Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
Reuters and other news agencies are reporting that the Pope has capitulated on several issues such as homosexuality, abortion and contraception.
The Pope’s remarks were taken from a 12,000 word interview with the Jesuit periodical, Civilta Cattolica, (Catholic Civilization) the most prominent statement reaching news agencies is his declaration that the church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and homosexuality.
The Pope has pleased the liberal factions of the Catholic Church and sickened and worried the conservative members of the church.
Few have reported on the prophetic implications of the Pope’s remarks and with some exceptions, such as those made by Evangelist Bill Keller, most protestant news outlets remain free of op-eds or theological treatment of the Pope’s interview, at the moment.
Biblical Theology and Catholic Teachings – Always at Odds
Hundreds of traditional or patristic teachings of Catholicism are either in direct conflict with the bible or do not exist in the scriptures at all.
The list of theological discrepancies has been addressed repeatedly for centuries and there would be little room to cover them all in one short article.
What we must point out is that on two very important levels, those who stand on scripture can’t ever recognize the authority of the Pope – it has never been a matter of whether they like him or not, nor is it a matter of personal choosing.
First, Because of the Greek rendering of Matthew 16: 18, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Protestants believe that Christ was referring to himself as the Rock, not Peter. This is supported by other scriptural passages, to wit:
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (Mt 16: 18b)
Secondly, not one word in the bible speaks of ‘apostolic succession.’ It is a concoction of the Roman church, not a biblical teaching. It is very difficult even to support the teaching in view of the fact that there was no Catholic church for over 300 years after Christ came into the world. Most Catholics are totally unaware of this fact. They have been told they are the ‘first church,’ but true history betrays them.
Simply because these facts cannot keep the childlike faith of any Catholic from reaching the Savior does not justify or verify the truth of Catholicism’s origins. It is simply a matter of Catholics being saved or redeemed not because of their religion – but in spite of it!
The Real and Present Danger in the Discrepancies between the Papacy and the Bible
Gentle, but firm, is the only way to approach addressing the errors of Catholicism at the same time knowing that millions of Catholics are of the family of faith simply because Jesus said “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (Jn 6: 37)
Yet, it is more than an item of curiosity or some minor theological difference; it is a dire sense of urgency and concern, especially in the last days, that causes anyone who knows scripture to make fair warning.
I have repeated this warning so often that I think my publishers may think I’ve run out of new things to say. I’ll take that chance, as opposed to risking a confrontation with my Savior for not making it as abundantly clear as possible, while there is still time.
What warning you ask!
Any religion, Catholic or other, that derives its ultimate authority from a man is subject to heresy, apostasy and error depending on the personality, the current state of mind or the evolvement of personal ideologies in that man.
Faith based solely on the scriptures, the written accounts of Christ’s teaching and his Apostles and biblical prophets cannot be altered, changed or disputed until the very last day of time. God intended this; it is his way of grounding us on a rock instead of the sinking sands of a changing and unstable world, to wit:
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” (Mt 7: 24, 25)
Christ relegated his authority to his Apostles and their teachings too are on the same level as his. They were not mere scribes or interpreters of his will they were Holy Spirit inspired and authorized to speak as final authorities.
“He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10: 16)
Finally, since we will not be judged by what other men say – why would we waste time or risk being found in total error. Why not go to the source of truth and take Christ’s warning seriously?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (Jn 12: 48)
So what did the Apostles really say about abortion, homosexuality and issues of the day?
The prophetic part of the bible contradicts the Pope’s assertion that believers are obsessed with homosexuality and abortion. In fact it warns that in the last days it is possession (demonic) that will fuel the slide into apostasy the world over.
Political correctness, floundering Pontiff’s and general acceptance of everything the bible condemns, is proof immutable, that the NWO, apostasy and the emergence of the Antichrist are well on track for the very near future. ‘Just don’t talk about it’ is the advice of fools. If the only choices are between obsession and possession it’s pretty much a no brainer.
Not only is homosexuality referred to as an abomination, to be noted, rebuked and refused as part of the church, but immoral behaviors were cause for people to be put out of the church and not allowed back in until they had fully repented. (1Co 5: 1-7) Should the perversion of same sex acts and marriage be an exception?
The idea of the Pope suggesting that we are over-talking the subject of abortions reaches to the heights of apostasy. The only voices the over two hundred million aborted babies worldwide have - is ours. Telling us to be silent is the moral equivalent of blasphemy.
After the Sandy Hook massacre of innocent children the liberals went after guns with a vengeance. Doesn’t it seem hypocritical that after 60,000,000 abortions in the U.S. and 160,000,000 abortions worldwide that telling us to pipe down is the only thing the Pope can think of to say? We will never be silent, or to borrow a phrase, you can pry my anti-abortion argument from my cold dead lips, but no other way.
The Folly of Following the Fallen
Has the Pope taken his first steps into the last day’s (apostasy) falling away? We can only hope he has not, but if this is the beginning of it, it is also the end of everything as we have known it.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” (2 Th 2: 3)
You are correct but we wouldn’t be the salt if it weren’t for the Holy Spirit.
BTW Enough salt and it actually halts the decay. Think prosciutto.
A cutesy cartoon, huh? Good luck with that, Narses. I wish you the best.
vivid imagination that you have there....no idols, the beads count prayers, and paganistic rituals??????you mean such as Christmas???
That some posters try to categorize ALL Catholics in certain ways. Was my example to explicit? LOL!
I didn't think up the number, I merely copied the hypothetical number that someone else posted....a meaningless number nevertheless...
Catholicism is the reason that there is a need for denominations....there is Catholicism and the revolters against her need names....thus denominations....simple as that
I interpret NOTHING...I leave that up to the church leaders who have been doing it for 2,000+ years. It was NOT Himself that Jesus was referring to as the rock upon He would build His church...it was, indeed, peter or there would have been no need at all for the statement...I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven....does that mean that He was going to keep them for Himself?????
I'm sorry, Mr. Terycarl. The Word of God is only spiritually discerned, and God calls us to seek its meaning. He calls us to seek His knowledge, wisdom and understanding. We have no need that any man teach us its meaning, because when we seek the Lord, His spirit illuminates the meaning of Scripture to our minds and spirits. Without the Spirit of God to help us understand His Word, we will not understand it, and will instead fall into deception.
What you wrote above is wrong. Jesus is the God of all creation. He is the Rock, the Foundation. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. No man gets to the Father except through Him.
Please stop putting your faith in fallen man, Mr. Terycarl.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
PS: Christ gives the keys to the Kingdom to all believers in Christ, Mr. Terycarl.
Reliable Roman sources say Abp Piero Marini is the next head of the Congregation of Divine Worship... I wonder how the neo-cats will spin this.
This was supposed to be a PM but at this point I don’t care anymore. Let the dice fly where they may.
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear YHAOS! You are an unfailing blessing to me, too.
Tell me, are you thankful to the Jews for "preserving" the word of God for over three THOUSAND years before Christians arrived? Unless you are willing to do that, I don't see how it can be justified that everyone must thank the "Catholics" (capital "c") for doing so.
Perhaps I should report to the mod?
What thinks you, boatbums?
I thinks the mods have enough on their plates without those with too tender feelings either running to them like they're Mom or complaining when they don't think Mom is being "fair". We are all grown-ups, aren't we? ;o)
We all have to have a purpose in life, sitetest, and I guess tattling is yours.
Yes, I see that the Catholics here pride themselves on their intellect. But I’ve no need to go any further than Jesus Himself to make my point.
If you want deep theological discussions, as Catholics are wont to do, then no you won’t find anything of interest from me. All I care about is telling others about Jesus and the simple way He saves. There are far better than me among the believers on FR that can teach deeper Christian meaning.
So my posts are not for Catholics...they are for those seekers who know nothing of the Lord and who could be led astray by Roman doctrine. My calling is to represent truth, not religion or high-minded theology.
Good day to you.
Well, I was being facetious anyway.
Not my style. I’d rather send you hurtling off the planet with a blast of fury...so much more satisfying. lol
“We all have to have a purpose in life, sitetest,...”
My purposes in life aren't related to Free Republic.
I visit FR because it's the best news aggregator on the Internet.
Once upon a time, discussion of religions topics between non-Catholic Christians and Catholics here at FR was often a worthwhile pursuit. Before the rise of the Religion Forum in its current form, with its current rules, there were actually meaningful conversations between people who saw Salvation History through different lens. Some of these conversations were, actually, quite deep, theologically. And illuminating, at least for me, helping me to understand why others believe differently from how I believe.
Some of the non-Catholic Christians here touched me, personally, quite deeply, with their love of God and their deep understanding of Him, even if that understanding was different from my own.
But just as bad money drives out good money, bad posting drives out good posting.
And the current regime in place encouraged a sort of bad posting, and thus, by necessity, drove out the good.
The result of these things is that the forum now hosts folks self-persuaded that they are the prophets of the Lord! Folks self-persuaded that their need to engage in personal cruelty and indecency are actually signs of their appointment as prophets of the Lord! Yay! Go, team, go!
In my view, there are significant problems with how the Religion Forum is run. I've said what I think to the Religion Moderator, on more than one occasion. He, being a person who thinks he's open and fair-minded, listened to me. But it doesn't appear to me that he ever was able to wrap his head around what I was saying.
Well, it's not my site (as we are all reminded regularly), so I do my best to obey the rules of the site, to "stay within the lines." But as I said, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
So we continue to be a site that hosts some of the most scurrilous hate screeds around, given to us by individuals who mostly are charlatans or in need of psychotherapy.
But there's an occasional article of interest. And further, I've been here going on 16 years, and have made friends, and like to check in on them now and then. Some of these folks, I've known through FR for a while, and I'd miss them. And FR is still the best news aggregator on the Internet.
I have no interest in at all in anything you have to say. Yours is not the gospel of Jesus. It has nothing to do with Christ or God. But your inept posts do make me chuckle.
And I try to look for the silver lining in every cloud.
sitetest
Instead of griping, you could have just posted a ‘better’ source.
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