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Source: Pope Francis Likely to Offer 'Clarification' to Distance Himself from 'Liberation Theology'
Breitbart - Big Peace ^ | December 5, 2013 | Michael Patrick Leahy

Posted on 12/05/2013 9:46:31 AM PST by don-o

A source familiar with the inner workings of the Vatican told Breitbart News on Monday that Pope Francis is likely to offer a "clarification" of his comments on economics contained in his apostolic exhortation released on November 24, Evangelii Guadium (in English, "The Joy of the Gospel"). Though the timing of such a "clarification" is uncertain, it is likely to come in the form of a speech to a group rather than in a formal papal document.

The source told Breitbart News that key figures at the Vatican are already discussing the problems caused by the document's confused and inconsistent forays into economic policy. As Breitbart News has reported, the use of language consistent with Latin American "liberation theology" in that document has had a significant impact on the political dialogue in the United States over the past ten days.

The left has grabbed several passages from the document and described them as a rejection of free market economics and an endorsement of the statist redistributive policies of the Obama administration. Some on the left have used the Pope's word as a justification for the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Among prominent conservatives, Rush Limbaugh has criticized the Pope for appearing to embrace "liberation theology." Many conservatives are wondering why the pope decided to venture beyond the realm of the Gospel into the arena of political and economic theory in the first place.

Defenders of the Pope have pointed out that economics, though it received almost all of the press coverage, was a small part of the document, most of which focused on a new call to evangelization. They portray him not as a "liberation theologist," but a rather as more of a "right wing Peronist" from Argentina

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1 posted on 12/05/2013 9:46:31 AM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

Rush Limbaugh is not the only one who thinks this way. I am a Catholic and I am getting increasingly agitated about the types of bishops and cardinals who are embracing politics in terms of “social justice”.


2 posted on 12/05/2013 9:50:11 AM PST by Allison_Wonderland
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To: don-o

Being foggy about causes but clear about effects can cause confusion all right. Where is the gospel supposed to get a grip in this picture, and how? It might be the intention to get it in there grass roots rather than as a government dictum, but unless Francis actually says so, it’s going to be taken wrong. That’s the bent of the age.


3 posted on 12/05/2013 9:50:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: don-o

Why clarify.
He said what he said, these “clarifications” just mean “you who read this, did not understand what I meant”


4 posted on 12/05/2013 9:54:47 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: don-o

As I’ve said earlier, he has a strong record of opposition to Liberation Theology during his time as a bishop in South America.

But I think it’s true that a lot of bishops could use an education in basic economics. Charitable giving is one thing. Socialist government is quite another.


5 posted on 12/05/2013 9:58:28 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: don-o
offer a "clarification" of his comments on economics contained in his apostolic exhortation

Sounds like the Pope doesn't think he was mis-translated, just misunderstood. "I'd ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks."

6 posted on 12/05/2013 9:58:30 AM PST by xone
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To: don-o
A source familiar with the inner workings of the Vatican told Breitbart News on Monday that Pope Francis is likely to offer a "clarification" of his comments on economics contained in his apostolic exhortation released on November 24, Evangelii Guadium (in English, "The Joy of the Gospel"). Though the timing of such a "clarification" is uncertain, it is likely to come in the form of a speech to a group rather than in a formal papal document.

Should we refer to this source as "Deep Throat"?

7 posted on 12/05/2013 10:02:49 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Allison_Wonderland

Basically this comes down to “Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar’s and unto God those things which are God’s”

The pope should stay out of economic policy unless he desires to serve in a legislature.


8 posted on 12/05/2013 10:03:55 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Allison_Wonderland

Watch what you say, lol! I posted the same thing on another thread and the Savonarolas were out in the droves telling me to go to confession.


9 posted on 12/05/2013 10:05:14 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: don-o
They portray him not as a "liberation theologist," but a rather as more of a "right wing Peronist" from Argentina whose economic views have been formed by a life time spent in a country run by crony-capitalists, dictators, and oligarchs.

Of which Peron was one. Juan and Evita, despite their rhetoric, were most responsible for creating the crony capitalists and oligarchs. Peronism is a form of corporatism with the state getting into bed with the crony-capitalists. Rather unfortunate that Pope Francis and most of Argentina have never that lesson.

10 posted on 12/05/2013 10:06:11 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Allison_Wonderland; onyx

Amen, Allison.

I have never enjoyed bragging rights on our own US Bishops Conference or their forthcoming “forays” into liberal causes and effects.

Certainly this pope has stepped on his mission by wagging with wags, and it hurts. I remain loyal to his kindness and his precious, loving face, but wince at his naivety on freedom and capitalism. His Argentinian experience belies the facts in so many cases.

Maybe the phrase, “bless your heart, Francis dear...” would be useful about now.


11 posted on 12/05/2013 10:06:23 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: xone
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. A. Greenspan (maybe)
12 posted on 12/05/2013 10:06:41 AM PST by DManA
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To: don-o

How did the Jesuits go from the most conservative to the most left-wing religious order so quickly? Or am I wrong?


13 posted on 12/05/2013 10:06:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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The source told Breitbart News that key figures at the Vatican are already discussing the problems caused by the document's confused and inconsistent forays into economic policy.

This is getting embarrassing. Can't blame it on the spontentaity of verbal interviews anymore. Now apostolic exhortations are causing problems within the Vatican.

14 posted on 12/05/2013 10:08:05 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: don-o
Obama used part of the Pope's statement in his speech about inequality yesterday.

The fact that Obama is latching onto the Pope's ideas is indicative that the Pope indeed had a socialist leaning in his statement.

They portray him not as a "liberation theologist," but a rather as more of a "right wing Peronist" from Argentina

Why on earth would they elevate Peron? Wow...they seem all mixed up.

15 posted on 12/05/2013 10:09:08 AM PST by what's up
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To: don-o

I wonder if it would be possible for the church to go “political philosophy free”? (Of course such a concept would need to be extensively fleshed out, and likely have different rules for clergy than for laity.)

It is not immediately evident what this involves, other than perhaps that the church interests lie in “ends”, not “means” to those ends.

For example, feeding the poor is an end to itself, but there are many means to accomplish it. Some good and work, some are bad and do not work. What the church would continue to do is endorse the end, not one or more of the possible means to that end.

In recent years, the church has erred in embracing some means and condemning others, based on the *promise* of ends that may or may not be delivered.

Is socialism, or capitalism, the best means to feed the poor? The church should refrain from guessing, investing with one political philosophy or another, and focus on the end of feeding the poor.

This also means that the church must be objective. Continuing to embrace a failed philosophy is just dim-witted, even if it sounds good or looks good on paper. The end results of doing so are people like Nancy Pelosi, who calls herself a Catholic, while rejecting Catholicism, even Christianity itself.


16 posted on 12/05/2013 10:10:30 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: don-o

Poor, ickle Pope is snared in his Liberation Theology.


17 posted on 12/05/2013 10:11:43 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: svcw

Because people should be able to understand what he stated.


18 posted on 12/05/2013 10:12:04 AM PST by dangus
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To: Allison_Wonderland
I am a Catholic and I am getting increasingly agitated about the types of bishops and cardinals who are embracing politics in terms of “social justice”.

Catholic "social justice" has caused trouble for years.

It was one of the reasons for the liberation theology in South American.

Maybe it's finally coming to a head; I'd love to see Catholics in the US finally staunchly in the conservative camp instead of voting majority Dem as I think they often do.

19 posted on 12/05/2013 10:13:40 AM PST by what's up
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To: RitaOK

Yet I love him because he is willing to learn from his missteps.

It does seem like a rather difficult job, doesn’t it? ;-)


20 posted on 12/05/2013 10:14:47 AM PST by dangus
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