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POPE’S CRACKDOWN ON ORDER ALARMS TRADITIONALISTS
ABC News ^ | December 14, 2013 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 12/14/2013 8:40:07 PM PST by ebb tide

Pope Francis may have been named Time magazine's Person of the Year, but he has come under scathing criticism from a growing number of traditionalist Catholics for cracking down on a religious order that celebrates the old Latin Mass. The case has become a flashpoint in the ideological tug-of-war going on in the Catholic Church over Francis' revolutionary agenda, which has thrilled progressives and alarmed some conservatives. The matter concerns the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, a small but growing order of several hundred priests, seminarians and nuns that was founded in Italy in 1990 as an offshoot of the larger Franciscan order of the pope's namesake, St. Francis of Assisi.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: francis; hypocrite
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To: rwfromkansas

This is not an infallible teaching and people have every right to disagree.


41 posted on 12/15/2013 5:28:24 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: DannyTN
As a Southern Baptist, I think services should be in the common tongue of the people the services are for. How are you going to win people for Christ if the services are in Latin and the unsaved don't speak latin?

Our prayer books are printed with Latin on one side and English on the other, it is very simple to pray the Latin Mass. After a while one learns the Latin as well. The Catholic Church is Universal so one liturgical language makes sense.

42 posted on 12/15/2013 7:45:56 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Cronos

The priest faces the altar and tabernacle when he is addressing God and not us.


43 posted on 12/15/2013 7:48:35 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8

-— so one liturgical language makes sense. -—

It also reverses the punishment for building the Tower of Babel, which is appropriate for Christ’s Church.


44 posted on 12/15/2013 7:54:14 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Indeed it does.


45 posted on 12/15/2013 8:27:07 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not. However, I tend to believe that for most Catholics on this forum it wouldn’t matter what media it was. If it states anything against Francis it is totally the media’s fault.


46 posted on 12/15/2013 9:09:04 AM PST by piusv
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To: willywill

It’s not someone, it’s something: Modernism via Vatican II.


47 posted on 12/15/2013 9:10:38 AM PST by piusv
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To: DannyTN

That was what Pentecost was all about, bringing people to Jesus in their own language.


48 posted on 12/15/2013 9:44:30 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: faucetman

AMEN.


49 posted on 12/15/2013 9:46:53 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Please see post number 48. Thank-you.


50 posted on 12/15/2013 9:49:02 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Are there not different rites in the RCC? I consider TLM to be a rite in the RCC.

There are different rites, but the traditional Latin rite is not considered a different rite from the Latin rite. What we have right now is an updated version of the Tridentine Latin rite.

There are Traditional Tridentine churches throughout the country completely in line with Rome and then there are ones who have all the bells and whistles and yet disregard the Pope. Those are the ones that Pope Francis is talking about.

The distinction must be made.

51 posted on 12/15/2013 10:01:50 AM PST by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Biggirl

False antiquarianism. To say this, is to say that the Church was wrong to use Latin for hundreds of years. Was it?


52 posted on 12/15/2013 10:03:02 AM PST by piusv
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To: Biggirl

>>The Jesuits have since been cleaned up.<<

Of course they have. Just look at how orthodox Georgetown University has become.


53 posted on 12/15/2013 10:05:38 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

Why are you believing stuff that comes from Time Magazine?


54 posted on 12/15/2013 10:07:38 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The media tells the truth when it says what most want to hear.


55 posted on 12/15/2013 10:22:34 AM PST by piusv
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Including Time Magazine, Catholic News Service, Vatican Insider, etc.?

What would you like to move on to? Pravda?


56 posted on 12/15/2013 10:23:30 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: DannyTN; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...
As a Southern Baptist, I think services should be in the common tongue of the people the services are for.

This is what is Biblical, however, unlike in NT Christianity, Scripture is not the supreme authority for Catholics, nor actual warrant necessary, but as which cults such as Mormonism, the church is supreme and incontrovertible based upon her own self-proclaimation to be so.

Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. (1 Corinthians 14:11)

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? (1 Corinthians 14:16)

57 posted on 12/15/2013 12:01:02 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ebb tide

“All I will say as a Protestant, is that ABC only has evil intentions in all this; the same intentions that TIME Magazine has.”

Self Justification.

They cling to anything they can take out of context for this reason. They are Pharisees.

I had to clarify my awful sentence from post #33 a bit.


58 posted on 12/15/2013 12:48:53 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: icwhatudo
"support abortion, homosexuality, goddesses, etc and its seems like we need to be more welcoming and we have better things to do than worry about minor issues such as these"

Direct quotes? Links?

Pope Francis never suggested toleration of abortion, active homosexuality or goddesses.

Or perhaps you're not referring to Pope Francis. Volpi, maybe.


59 posted on 12/15/2013 3:09:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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To: ebb tide

PROTESTants!!

Let's let the Catholics fight amoungst themselves this time!!

60 posted on 12/15/2013 5:14:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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