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Vatican Announces Desire for More Restrained Sign of Peace at Mass
Catholic News Agency ^ | 7/31/14

Posted on 07/31/2014 7:09:56 PM PDT by marshmallow

Vatican City, Jul 31, 2014 / 05:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Congregation for Divine Worship, in a recent circular letter, announced that the placement of the sign of peace within Mass will not change, though it suggested several ways the rite could be performed with greater dignity.

The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments … pronounced in favor of maintaining the 'rite' and 'sign' of peace in the place it has now in the Ordinary of the Mass,” Fr. Jose Maria Gil Tamayo, secretary general of the Spanish bishops' conference, related in a July 28 memo.

He noted that this was done out of consideration of the placement of the rite of peace as “a characteristic of the Roman rite,” and “not believing it to be suitable for the faithful to introduce structural changes in the Eucharistic Celebration, at this time.”

The sign of peace is made after the consecration and just prior to the reception of Communion; it had been suggested that it be moved so that it would precede the presentation of the gifts.

Fr. Gil's memo was sent to the Spanish bishops, and prefaced the Congregation for Divine Worship's circular letter, which was signed June 8 by Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, its prefect, and its secretary, Archbishop Arthur Roche. The circular had been approved and confirmed the previous day by Pope Francis.

The letter made four concrete suggestions about how the dignity of the sign of peace could be maintained against abuses.

Fr. Gil explained that the circular letter is a fruit of the 2005 synod of bishops on the Eucharist, in which the possibility of moving the rite was discussed.

“During the Synod of Bishops there was discussion about the appropriateness of greater restraint in this gesture, which can be exaggerated and..........

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1 posted on 07/31/2014 7:09:57 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

How could this possibly not be a caucus topic?


2 posted on 07/31/2014 7:11:17 PM PDT by DManA
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To: marshmallow

Going to the Latin Mass, I never have to deal with the handshake sideshow. On the rare occasion I have to go to a Novus Ordo in order to attend mass at all, I dread that particular portion the entire time.


3 posted on 07/31/2014 7:16:44 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Agree


4 posted on 07/31/2014 7:20:16 PM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Awful, peculiar intrusion thanks to the 1960s. Shaking hands with people you’re going to try and kill getting out of the parking lot ten minutes later.

Also, what’s that horrible raising of palms I’ve occasionally seen at suburban Masses? Yuck!


5 posted on 07/31/2014 7:20:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I dread that particular portion the entire time.

That was the reason I quit going to the NO originally (in 70s, I suppose?). Then I discovered all the more important reasons.

6 posted on 07/31/2014 7:23:25 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: miss marmelstein

When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus


7 posted on 07/31/2014 7:25:36 PM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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To: miss marmelstein
Maybe it makes you think to not try to kill people ten minutes later.

I personally like the sign of peace. But whatever.

8 posted on 07/31/2014 7:26:02 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: marshmallow

**“During the Synod of Bishops there was discussion about the appropriateness of greater restraint in this gesture, which can be exaggerated and**

This would make us all very happy.


9 posted on 07/31/2014 7:28:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: miss marmelstein

Palms are lifted so that the priest can circulate through the Church sprinkling them with Holy Water and thus, blessing them.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 7:30:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

My mother was a Baptist, but she thought the Sign of Peace was one of the more beautiful parts of the mass.


11 posted on 07/31/2014 7:30:16 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: marshmallow
If they want to keep it I suggest that they consider moving it towards the beginning of Mass. I really don't like being interrupted while I am concentrating on the Eucharist.

I attended Mass in Las Vegas, at the Cathedral there, and they did just that. It was nice.

12 posted on 07/31/2014 7:31:06 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Salvation

No I know what he is referring too. There is no holy water being sprinkled. It happens during the Our Father.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 7:33:30 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: notaliberal

When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus”””

Wow! “Whenever two or more are gathered in My name.”

Why bother going? Why not just sit outside in your car and listen?


14 posted on 07/31/2014 7:33:33 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: marshmallow

I hate that freaking sign of peace and it is one of the reasons I go to Latin Mass


15 posted on 07/31/2014 7:35:30 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: marshmallow
The fake "sign of peace" with strangers is the reason I quit going to Mass.
16 posted on 07/31/2014 7:36:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

not only do I not want to shake hands with anybody during Mass I also do not want to “turn around and greet your neighbor” at the beginning of Mass and I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....


17 posted on 07/31/2014 7:37:44 PM PDT by cherry
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To: EBH
It draws too much focus onto the worshippers rather than He who is being worshipped. It epitomizes my beef with the entire Novus Ordo.

Quite frankly, I don't care to even notice who else is in the Church. Every bit of concentration adn focus should be on God alone. Community and fellowship and such can come before mass and after mass, but for the mass itself, the focus MUST be God alone.

18 posted on 07/31/2014 7:37:56 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: notaliberal

I always take a pew in the back of the church - even during a Latin Mass. The most wonderful Masses of my childhood were the Monday-Friday Mass at 8am at my Catholic school. During the winters, the nuns locked the school doors and the only relief from the cold weather was going to Mass. No sermon and just a quiet, meditative Mass. So beautiful.


19 posted on 07/31/2014 7:38:11 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: notaliberal
"When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus"

which is why I resent having to stand after receiving communion....I want to do what my mother did...and that was to kneel, folding your hands over your eyes and saying some quiet prayers to the Lord....

20 posted on 07/31/2014 7:39:51 PM PDT by cherry
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To: notaliberal
When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus

Amen (I agree)

21 posted on 07/31/2014 7:40:09 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: Salvation

No, it’s not something Catholic that palm-raising. It’s a evangelical thing that I’ve witnessed at suburban masses. No holy water was sprinkled.


22 posted on 07/31/2014 7:41:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cherry

I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I can live with the other stuff.


23 posted on 07/31/2014 7:42:27 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: cherry

Can’t you sit way at the back where there are no people? Then you can simply do it.

At St. Agnes in NYC, I always go right to the back and kneel after the communion. Actually, I don’t take communion because I’m generally not in the state of grace but I do kneel.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 7:43:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Slyfox

At Holy Family Church in Hilton Head Island, SC, before Mass began the celebrant would ask everyone to stand & introduce themselves to those around them with names, hometowns since most were visitors, & handshakes that were far more genuine than the mid-Mass SOP.

In 1975 I joined a parish which had a pastor who omitted the SOP. After Mass I asked him why (approvingly), and this tough old priest replied, “Look, son, I’m the celebrant. When I say `the peace of the Lord be with you all’, that’s all there is, there isn’t any more!”

Nowadays after the SOP, everyone breaks out the Purell. Years ago we got home after Mass & washed our hands thoroughly. SOP sucked then and does now. Sixties leftover touchy-feely stuff, like guitars & tambourines.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 7:45:48 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: raybbr

Why would you tell a fellow Catholic to sit in the car? Just because two or more were gathered in His name is no reason for the silly chaotic stuff that goes on at some masses.


26 posted on 07/31/2014 7:46:20 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: marshmallow

You shake the hand of the person on either side of you. This often means my family members will not receive the sign of peace from me. No handshaking after Agnus Dei.


27 posted on 07/31/2014 7:48:00 PM PDT by impimp
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To: raybbr; notaliberal

Why not sit in the car? Because Jesus is on the altar. And we are, two or more, gathered in His name inside the church — even if we are not glad-handing. There is time for socializing after Mass. During Mass I quietly and solemnly reflect on the Sacrifice He made for me and for mankind. Somehow the Mass survived hundreds of years without high fives and fist bumps. Some people still prefer a more reverent Mass. To each his own.


28 posted on 07/31/2014 7:48:18 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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I’m an old fashioned type baptist and I HATE the hand shaking with a passion. Seriously, if you want to shake hands and say howdy, get there ten minutes early.


29 posted on 07/31/2014 7:48:26 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (No tag line today)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I found the ‘sign of peace’ hand-shaking unsettling. Especially since my “brothers and sisters” with whom I’d have shaken hands in the ‘sign of peace’ would run me over in the parking lot in a NY minute to get outta there.


30 posted on 07/31/2014 7:48:52 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: cherry
I resent having to stand after receiving communion

I've seen a lot, but I (thankfully) haven't seen that before.

31 posted on 07/31/2014 7:52:25 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: cherry

Actually, I should take that back.

I once attended a church with no kneelers — was completely dumbfounded! Is that how your church is?


32 posted on 07/31/2014 7:54:10 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: cherry

Go ahead and kneel after communion just like your mother did. That is the norm. Standing after communion is an insidious deviation from the norm. I’ve only seen standing after communion when traveling in the more liberal areas and I have always refused to stand at that point. No one ever threw me out for it.

I also think all of us who are physically able should at a minimum genuflect prior to receiving and receive on the tongue. I admire those who have the courage (and good knees and balance) to kneel and receive on the tongue at all masses, regardless of the availability of a kneeler, an option that all Catholics are free to use and the Vatican has made clear that no priest or bishop may violate. Standing to receive and receiving on the tongue are both indults which could be withdrawn at any time Rome wakes up, while kneeling and receiving on the tongue are still the universal norm and cannot be denied to the communicant.


33 posted on 07/31/2014 7:56:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: loungitude

**I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....**

To do so is a liturgical abuse. I just bow my head, fold my hands and pray.


34 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cherry

Kneel down and pray.


35 posted on 07/31/2014 7:58:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Slyfox

Slyfox:

I have always thought it should be before the penitential Rite. Have the same Rite of Sign of peace and then move into the Penitential Rite.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 7:58:57 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Slyfox
Isn't there like one Mass a year now when we get a break from the dreaded "Sign of Peace"?

In Miami it's pretty over the top.

37 posted on 07/31/2014 8:02:28 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: elcid1970
Sixties leftover touchy-feely stuff, like guitars & tambourines.

I do believe we have turned a great corner when Benedict bought back the word "soul" in the Mass as in: "Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed."

38 posted on 07/31/2014 8:21:40 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: notaliberal

So you don’t like being a part of Christ’s body? You want to go it alone, just you and Jesus?

I always cringe when people respond “God hear our prayers” because it is “God hear our prayer”, it is one prayer prayed by us all with God, for God, as one body.


39 posted on 07/31/2014 8:21:54 PM PDT by tiki
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The fake "sign of peace" with strangers is the reason I quit going to Mass

You gave up receiving the Holy Eucharist because of your dislike of the Sign of Peace? Please go back to Mass!-- sit in the back and put your hands in your pockets if you must, but don't give up the gift of the Body and Blood of Christ.

40 posted on 07/31/2014 8:22:11 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: marshmallow

Oh please, we never wanted this stupid thing in the first place (sorry to anyone who likes it).

They want us to be protestants, now I guess they are upset some are too protestant.

Who will this be good for? My guess - the protestants.


41 posted on 07/31/2014 8:25:18 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: miss marmelstein

“what’s that horrible raising of palms”

My surmise is that the Philipinos brought that over. And I’ve definitely seen it in the big apple. In fact that was were I first saw it.

More protestantism. Which is fine, insofar as it goes, but I’m not crazy about it at Mass.


42 posted on 07/31/2014 8:26:57 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

It’s all part of that PC attitude that the Church assumed after Vatican II.

Our parish even mentioned something about the end of Ramadan in their weekly bulletin.

I regret not being able to attend a traditional Roman Mass. Last time I did, I was a graduate student serving at Mass in 1965.

I would probably have an emotional breakdown if I heard the words, “Introibo at Altare Dei”.


43 posted on 07/31/2014 8:29:40 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: jocon307

I’ve seen it at Methodist services. But it’s completely unacceptable at a Catholic mass. Yuck - and I want no Protestantism anywhere near the mass or the Church.


44 posted on 07/31/2014 8:31:35 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Rome2000

“In Miami it’s pretty over the top.”

With all the Spanish people? I imagine that could get a little boisterous.


45 posted on 07/31/2014 8:31:56 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Slyfox

And good that Benedict did Francis is going to destroy. He’s like the Argentinian Obama. Except, not a Muslim, of course.


46 posted on 07/31/2014 8:32:54 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: marshmallow

The Grope Of Peace


47 posted on 07/31/2014 8:41:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: cherry

In our Archdiocese, we kneel in our pews after receiving the Eucharist.


48 posted on 07/31/2014 9:38:17 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: notaliberal; raybbr; EBH; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus

I read these type of post with incredulity, as the only clear description of the Lord's supper, the "feast of charity," (Jude 1:12) after the gospels is 1Cor. 11:20-34 , and in which the Lord's death is proclaimed, shown, declared, (v. 26) by how they showed their unity with Christ and thus for each other whom He died for (Act 20:28) in taking part in this communal meal.

Thus when they therefore came "together into one place" to eat the Lord's supper, they really were not, "this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken...and shame them that have not," "not discerning the Lord's body." (1 Corinthians 11:20,21,29)

For they were treating others are if they were not bought by the sinless shed blood of Christ, by going ahead to eat independently of others as it were a restaurant, and even apparently filling their face (drunken) while others were hungry.

Thus the solution to prevent their condemnation for acting contrary to the sacrificial love Christ showed in His death, and which they were supposed to be showing:

"Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come." (1 Corinthians 11:33-34)

And this focus upon the church as the body of Christ and members in particular continues into the next chapter. This is quite different from the "Jesus and men" idea and in which the elements consumed are the whole focus.

Even the Catholic NAB notes states concerning v. 28:

The self-testing required for proper eating involves discerning the body (1 Cor 11:29), which, from the context, must mean understanding the sense of Jesus’ death (1 Cor 11:26), perceiving the imperative to unity that follows from the fact that Jesus gives himself to all and requires us to repeat his sacrifice in the same spirit (1 Cor 11:18–25). - http://usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/11

This does mean saying "peace be with you" and or handshakes are to be part of liturgy, which tend toward being perfunctory, but such should precede worship and be spontaneous, and believers are commanded, "Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you." (Romans 16:16) And the apostles gave each other "the right hands of fellowship." Gal. 2:9)

Yet the theology of the Eucharist itself is a perversion of Scripture.

49 posted on 07/31/2014 9:40:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: miss marmelstein

That started in my area with the Charismatic Renewal services back in the 70s. I never do it. One priest who is now retired wouldn’t allow it at his Masses.


50 posted on 07/31/2014 9:41:49 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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