Skip to comments.Vatican Announces Desire for More Restrained Sign of Peace at Mass
Posted on 07/31/2014 7:09:56 PM PDT by marshmallow
Vatican City, Jul 31, 2014 / 05:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Congregation for Divine Worship, in a recent circular letter, announced that the placement of the sign of peace within Mass will not change, though it suggested several ways the rite could be performed with greater dignity.
The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments pronounced in favor of maintaining the 'rite' and 'sign' of peace in the place it has now in the Ordinary of the Mass, Fr. Jose Maria Gil Tamayo, secretary general of the Spanish bishops' conference, related in a July 28 memo.
He noted that this was done out of consideration of the placement of the rite of peace as a characteristic of the Roman rite, and not believing it to be suitable for the faithful to introduce structural changes in the Eucharistic Celebration, at this time.
The sign of peace is made after the consecration and just prior to the reception of Communion; it had been suggested that it be moved so that it would precede the presentation of the gifts.
Fr. Gil's memo was sent to the Spanish bishops, and prefaced the Congregation for Divine Worship's circular letter, which was signed June 8 by Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, its prefect, and its secretary, Archbishop Arthur Roche. The circular had been approved and confirmed the previous day by Pope Francis.
The letter made four concrete suggestions about how the dignity of the sign of peace could be maintained against abuses.
Fr. Gil explained that the circular letter is a fruit of the 2005 synod of bishops on the Eucharist, in which the possibility of moving the rite was discussed.
During the Synod of Bishops there was discussion about the appropriateness of greater restraint in this gesture, which can be exaggerated and..........
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How could this possibly not be a caucus topic?
Going to the Latin Mass, I never have to deal with the handshake sideshow. On the rare occasion I have to go to a Novus Ordo in order to attend mass at all, I dread that particular portion the entire time.
Awful, peculiar intrusion thanks to the 1960s. Shaking hands with people you’re going to try and kill getting out of the parking lot ten minutes later.
Also, what’s that horrible raising of palms I’ve occasionally seen at suburban Masses? Yuck!
That was the reason I quit going to the NO originally (in 70s, I suppose?). Then I discovered all the more important reasons.
When I go to Mass on Sunday it’s between God and me, I don’t want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus
I personally like the sign of peace. But whatever.
**During the Synod of Bishops there was discussion about the appropriateness of greater restraint in this gesture, which can be exaggerated and**
This would make us all very happy.
Palms are lifted so that the priest can circulate through the Church sprinkling them with Holy Water and thus, blessing them.
My mother was a Baptist, but she thought the Sign of Peace was one of the more beautiful parts of the mass.
I attended Mass in Las Vegas, at the Cathedral there, and they did just that. It was nice.
No I know what he is referring too. There is no holy water being sprinkled. It happens during the Our Father.
When I go to Mass on Sunday its between God and me, I dont want to have a relationship with anyone during Mass but Jesus”””
Wow! “Whenever two or more are gathered in My name.”
Why bother going? Why not just sit outside in your car and listen?
I hate that freaking sign of peace and it is one of the reasons I go to Latin Mass
not only do I not want to shake hands with anybody during Mass I also do not want to “turn around and greet your neighbor” at the beginning of Mass and I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....
Quite frankly, I don't care to even notice who else is in the Church. Every bit of concentration adn focus should be on God alone. Community and fellowship and such can come before mass and after mass, but for the mass itself, the focus MUST be God alone.
I always take a pew in the back of the church - even during a Latin Mass. The most wonderful Masses of my childhood were the Monday-Friday Mass at 8am at my Catholic school. During the winters, the nuns locked the school doors and the only relief from the cold weather was going to Mass. No sermon and just a quiet, meditative Mass. So beautiful.
which is why I resent having to stand after receiving communion....I want to do what my mother did...and that was to kneel, folding your hands over your eyes and saying some quiet prayers to the Lord....
Amen (I agree)
No, it’s not something Catholic that palm-raising. It’s a evangelical thing that I’ve witnessed at suburban masses. No holy water was sprinkled.
I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....
I can live with the other stuff.
Can’t you sit way at the back where there are no people? Then you can simply do it.
At St. Agnes in NYC, I always go right to the back and kneel after the communion. Actually, I don’t take communion because I’m generally not in the state of grace but I do kneel.
At Holy Family Church in Hilton Head Island, SC, before Mass began the celebrant would ask everyone to stand & introduce themselves to those around them with names, hometowns since most were visitors, & handshakes that were far more genuine than the mid-Mass SOP.
In 1975 I joined a parish which had a pastor who omitted the SOP. After Mass I asked him why (approvingly), and this tough old priest replied, “Look, son, I’m the celebrant. When I say `the peace of the Lord be with you all’, that’s all there is, there isn’t any more!”
Nowadays after the SOP, everyone breaks out the Purell. Years ago we got home after Mass & washed our hands thoroughly. SOP sucked then and does now. Sixties leftover touchy-feely stuff, like guitars & tambourines.
Why would you tell a fellow Catholic to sit in the car? Just because two or more were gathered in His name is no reason for the silly chaotic stuff that goes on at some masses.
You shake the hand of the person on either side of you. This often means my family members will not receive the sign of peace from me. No handshaking after Agnus Dei.
Why not sit in the car? Because Jesus is on the altar. And we are, two or more, gathered in His name inside the church — even if we are not glad-handing. There is time for socializing after Mass. During Mass I quietly and solemnly reflect on the Sacrifice He made for me and for mankind. Somehow the Mass survived hundreds of years without high fives and fist bumps. Some people still prefer a more reverent Mass. To each his own.
I’m an old fashioned type baptist and I HATE the hand shaking with a passion. Seriously, if you want to shake hands and say howdy, get there ten minutes early.
I found the ‘sign of peace’ hand-shaking unsettling. Especially since my “brothers and sisters” with whom I’d have shaken hands in the ‘sign of peace’ would run me over in the parking lot in a NY minute to get outta there.
I've seen a lot, but I (thankfully) haven't seen that before.
Actually, I should take that back.
I once attended a church with no kneelers — was completely dumbfounded! Is that how your church is?
Go ahead and kneel after communion just like your mother did. That is the norm. Standing after communion is an insidious deviation from the norm. I’ve only seen standing after communion when traveling in the more liberal areas and I have always refused to stand at that point. No one ever threw me out for it.
I also think all of us who are physically able should at a minimum genuflect prior to receiving and receive on the tongue. I admire those who have the courage (and good knees and balance) to kneel and receive on the tongue at all masses, regardless of the availability of a kneeler, an option that all Catholics are free to use and the Vatican has made clear that no priest or bishop may violate. Standing to receive and receiving on the tongue are both indults which could be withdrawn at any time Rome wakes up, while kneeling and receiving on the tongue are still the universal norm and cannot be denied to the communicant.
**I certainly do not want to hold hands during the Our Father....**
To do so is a liturgical abuse. I just bow my head, fold my hands and pray.
Kneel down and pray.
I have always thought it should be before the penitential Rite. Have the same Rite of Sign of peace and then move into the Penitential Rite.
In Miami it's pretty over the top.
I do believe we have turned a great corner when Benedict bought back the word "soul" in the Mass as in: "Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed."
So you don’t like being a part of Christ’s body? You want to go it alone, just you and Jesus?
I always cringe when people respond “God hear our prayers” because it is “God hear our prayer”, it is one prayer prayed by us all with God, for God, as one body.
You gave up receiving the Holy Eucharist because of your dislike of the Sign of Peace? Please go back to Mass!-- sit in the back and put your hands in your pockets if you must, but don't give up the gift of the Body and Blood of Christ.
Oh please, we never wanted this stupid thing in the first place (sorry to anyone who likes it).
They want us to be protestants, now I guess they are upset some are too protestant.
Who will this be good for? My guess - the protestants.
“whats that horrible raising of palms”
My surmise is that the Philipinos brought that over. And I’ve definitely seen it in the big apple. In fact that was were I first saw it.
More protestantism. Which is fine, insofar as it goes, but I’m not crazy about it at Mass.
It’s all part of that PC attitude that the Church assumed after Vatican II.
Our parish even mentioned something about the end of Ramadan in their weekly bulletin.
I regret not being able to attend a traditional Roman Mass. Last time I did, I was a graduate student serving at Mass in 1965.
I would probably have an emotional breakdown if I heard the words, “Introibo at Altare Dei”.
I’ve seen it at Methodist services. But it’s completely unacceptable at a Catholic mass. Yuck - and I want no Protestantism anywhere near the mass or the Church.
“In Miami it’s pretty over the top.”
With all the Spanish people? I imagine that could get a little boisterous.
And good that Benedict did Francis is going to destroy. He’s like the Argentinian Obama. Except, not a Muslim, of course.
In our Archdiocese, we kneel in our pews after receiving the Eucharist.
I read these type of post with incredulity, as the only clear description of the Lord's supper, the "feast of charity," (Jude 1:12) after the gospels is 1Cor. 11:20-34 , and in which the Lord's death is proclaimed, shown, declared, (v. 26) by how they showed their unity with Christ and thus for each other whom He died for (Act 20:28) in taking part in this communal meal.
Thus when they therefore came "together into one place" to eat the Lord's supper, they really were not, "this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken...and shame them that have not," "not discerning the Lord's body." (1 Corinthians 11:20,21,29)
For they were treating others are if they were not bought by the sinless shed blood of Christ, by going ahead to eat independently of others as it were a restaurant, and even apparently filling their face (drunken) while others were hungry.
Thus the solution to prevent their condemnation for acting contrary to the sacrificial love Christ showed in His death, and which they were supposed to be showing:
"Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come." (1 Corinthians 11:33-34)
And this focus upon the church as the body of Christ and members in particular continues into the next chapter. This is quite different from the "Jesus and men" idea and in which the elements consumed are the whole focus.
Even the Catholic NAB notes states concerning v. 28:
The self-testing required for proper eating involves discerning the body (1 Cor 11:29), which, from the context, must mean understanding the sense of Jesus death (1 Cor 11:26), perceiving the imperative to unity that follows from the fact that Jesus gives himself to all and requires us to repeat his sacrifice in the same spirit (1 Cor 11:1825). - http://usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/11
This does mean saying "peace be with you" and or handshakes are to be part of liturgy, which tend toward being perfunctory, but such should precede worship and be spontaneous, and believers are commanded, "Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you." (Romans 16:16) And the apostles gave each other "the right hands of fellowship." Gal. 2:9)
Yet the theology of the Eucharist itself is a perversion of Scripture.
That started in my area with the Charismatic Renewal services back in the 70s. I never do it. One priest who is now retired wouldn’t allow it at his Masses.
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