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The Pursuit of God
World Invisible.com Library Tozer ^ | 1948 | A.W.Tozer, Pastor, Christian and Missionary Alliance

Posted on 01/06/2015 5:13:00 AM PST by metmom

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To: CynicalBear
In case you didn't recognize them those were Jesus word

Your post 39:How magnanimous of you! Yet here you are and still haven't helped the guy out by answering his question.

Could you tell me where I would find this in the gospels?

61 posted on 01/06/2015 12:36:07 PM PST by Thales Miletus
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To: Thales Miletus; Alamo-Girl; metmom
>>I have read the bible cover to cover, several times, and it does not speak to me.<<

Then you are obviously not being called by God. I'm not sure why you would waste your time here. Is there some purpose for your questions?

62 posted on 01/06/2015 12:39:10 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Thales Miletus
Not a very polite answer at all.

It may seem that way now.

Christianity is not all love and roses as these latter days have painted it.

There is rebuke and admonition and teaching as well.


There is a verse or two in the bible that states a man WILL find GOD if he seeks him with all his heart.

Yes, the same COULD be said by the little hermit on top of the mountain as well, or by the fella with a sign on the interstate ramp or by this unknown ELSIE on a random internet page.


IF this 'god' exists (or not) it would do no harm (it seems to me) to either ask, yell, whisper or curse the following:

GOD; if you are really out there and you want me to REALLY know it; then YOU, yourself, are going to have to convince me.

63 posted on 01/06/2015 12:40:09 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus
I am a firm agnostic, before I surrender my life, I need to know that god is real.

So was I...

64 posted on 01/06/2015 12:41:11 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus

Well, it looks like you have reached the point where the only answer is this.

Only GOD Himself can prove to you Himself that He exists. He knows what it would take for you to accept that proof, if there really is anything that would convince you. And hard cases require hard proof.

If you keep setting up scenarios that are impossible for ANYONE to meet, then you will never get an adequate answer to your questions.

That fact, however, does not mean that there aren’t any.

If you are setting up conditions that no one can meet and then claim *Aha, see there is not God. Your belief is just foolishness*, then I would be forced to conclude that you are not honestly seeking God but rather more intent on trying to damage or destroy the faith of those who DO believe in him.

I will continue to pray for you, that God would indeed reveal Himself to you in a manner which would be acceptable to you and that you would have the wisdom to recognize it and the heart to accept it.

He loves you, more than any words can tell, and He is reaching out to you, as He does to all of mankind.

Nobody is beyond His love and ability to redeem.

The ball is in your court now.


65 posted on 01/06/2015 12:42:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Thales Miletus
The bible says it was stolen when the temple was destroyed.

What happened to the Ark of the Covenant is a question that has fascinated theologians, Bible students, and archeologists for centuries. In the eighteenth year of his reign, King Josiah of Judah ordered the caretakers of the Ark of the Covenant to return it to the temple in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 35:1-6; cf. 2 Kings 23:21-23). That is the last time the ark’s location is mentioned in the Scriptures. Forty years later, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon captured Jerusalem and raided the temple. Less than ten years after that, he returned, took what was left in the temple, and then burnt it and the city to the ground. So what happened to the ark? Was it taken by Nebuchadnezzar? Was it destroyed with the city? Or was it removed and hidden safely away, as evidently happened when Pharaoh Shishak of Egypt raided the temple during the reign of Solomon’s son Rehoboam? (“Evidently” because, if Shishak had managed to take the Ark, why did Josiah ask the Levites to return it? If the Ark was in Egypt—à la the plotline of Raiders of the Lost Ark—the Levites would not have possessed it and therefore could not have returned it.)

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/ark-covenant.html#ixzz3O4nCQBvq


66 posted on 01/06/2015 12:44:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

‘The Ark of the Covenant’ is in Heaven with God....read Revelations. I’m not going to go look it up for you, but I saw it there a few years ago, just don’t remember the context of the scriptures.

Why did God have the Ark of the Covenant built?


67 posted on 01/06/2015 12:46:55 PM PST by Kackikat ('If it talks like a traitor, acts like a traitor, then by God it's a traitor.')
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To: Thales Miletus
I like you, you are funny.


Aw...  shucks...
 


But...

I can be a jerk at times!



68 posted on 01/06/2015 12:47:06 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus
Do you believe that this is more useful than Aquinas's "five proofs"?

Only you can answer this.

I did not come to a 'belief' by inductive logic.

69 posted on 01/06/2015 12:48:52 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus; Elsie; metmom; Alamo-Girl
>>If there is; there MUST be a way for HIM, him, it, she, them to communicate with us.<<

Why don't you sincerely ask Him? Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Ask Him if He's real. If He sees in your heart that you are truly seeking Him He will answer. If you request is not, He will not.

70 posted on 01/06/2015 12:48:59 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Then you are obviously not being called by God.

Oh?

Seems like he might be to me!

New Years Resolution #1 (or 3, 2, 5 or 19)

List of 1/1/2015

Try to find out if there really is a god.

71 posted on 01/06/2015 12:51:03 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

CynicalBear...

...don’t be so cynical ALL the time!!

;^)


72 posted on 01/06/2015 12:51:54 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kackikat
Why did God have the Ark of the Covenant built?

What does the Book say?

73 posted on 01/06/2015 12:53:07 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I did not come to a 'belief' by inductive logic.

Me either.

I was pretty much in the agnostic camp when I got saved, but somehow could just not cross the line to flat out stating that God didn't exist.

Even in my rationalize God away days, taking a good honest look at the creation around me, I could not get to the thought that it all just happened. It was too complex.

And that was back in the 70's before we had the technology that has revealed complexity to us that we never dreamed of.

God has a way of coming crashing in on your world in a way that makes it hard to argue with.

74 posted on 01/06/2015 1:05:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Thales Miletus; Elsie
I like you, you are funny.

Proof that God has a sense of humor at least.....

That said, Mrs Elsie will be on shortly to chastise you for encouraging him.

75 posted on 01/06/2015 1:07:25 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
God has a way of coming crashing in on your world in a way that makes it hard to argue with.

AMEN!

76 posted on 01/06/2015 1:09:24 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

Not very likely, as she is catching up on things at work.

I plowed a path for her this morning and sent her off to bring home the bacon yet again.

To put the neverending C vs P threads in a Carnicería context...

You either love bacon or you’re wrong.


77 posted on 01/06/2015 1:12:20 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Proof that God has a sense of humor at least.....

Hey!

He said I was FUNNY; not funny LOOKING!!!

78 posted on 01/06/2015 1:13:20 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

But what about all those goat pictures??????


79 posted on 01/06/2015 1:20:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear
"an evil and perverse generation seeketh after a sign and a sign will not be given it".

Interesting that you abbreviated the quote as you did Matthew 16:4 "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah." And He left them and went away.

Even more interesting that you left off the preceding verse. Matthew 16:3 "And in the morning, 'There will be a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, but cannot discern the signs of the times?

Apparently signes will be given, which means that there is proof. This sounds like the sin of omission.

80 posted on 01/06/2015 1:22:33 PM PST by verga
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