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Concerns about Cremation: Some Very Strange Practices Are Emerging
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-17-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/18/2015 7:30:19 AM PDT by Salvation

Concerns about Cremation: Some Very Strange Practices Are Emerging

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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Some years ago, the Church gave wider permission for cremation and also lifted traditional restrictions on having cremated remains present in the church for funeral Masses. All of this is pastorally understandable. Very few if any people these days choose cremation for the reasons it had traditionally been forbidden, namely as a denial of the resurrection of the body. Generally the reasons chosen are economic, due to the increasingly high cost of traditional burial and the difficulty, especially in urban areas, of finding room for large cemeteries. The basic norms from the church regarding cremation are these:

The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the bodies of the dead be observed; it does not, however, forbid cremation unless it has been chosen for reasons which are contrary to Christian teaching (Code of Canon Law No. 1176, 3).

Although cremation is now permitted by the Church, it does not enjoy the same value as burial of the body. The Church clearly prefers and urges that the body of the deceased be present for the funeral rites, since the presence of the human body better expresses the values which the Church affirms in those rites (Order of Christian Funerals no. 413).

The cremated remains of a body should be treated with the same respect given to the human body from which they come. This includes the use of a worthy vessel to contain the ashes, the manner in which they are carried, and the care and attention to appropriate placement and transport, and the final disposition. The cremated remains should be buried in a grave or entombed in a mausoleum or columbarium. The practice of scattering cremated remains on the sea, from the air, or on the ground, or keeping cremated remains in the home of a relative or friend of the deceased are not the reverent disposition that the Church requires (cf Order of Christian Funerals # 417).

From a pastoral point of view, these norms are  clear and understandable. However, as a pastor, I must say that I have growing concerns over practices that are appearing with the more widespread use of cremation.

The norms clearly indicate that cremated remains are not to be scattered, divided, or retained in the homes of the faithful on fireplace mantles, on shelves, or in other places. But these norms are somewhat difficult to enforce.

The problem emerges essentially from the detachment of the funeral Mass from interment. When cremation is chosen, it is common for the funeral Mass to be celebrated quickly but the burial to be scheduled at some “later date” when arrangements can be more conveniently made. Frequently clergy are told that the family will “call back” at some point in the future. But often these calls never come and burials are put off indefinitely.

Issues such as money, logistics, and family disputes are often factors in the delay. Priests, too, are  often busy and do not have time to follow up to see if “Uncle Joe” is ready for burial now.  As such, many deceased remain unburied for weeks, months, or years, or perhaps never even buried at all.

I was shocked a couple of years ago to discover that a certain Catholic family still had the cremated remains of an uncle on the top shelf of their closet. The delay centered around who in the family was going to pay for the burial lot and debates about whether burial was even necessary at all. Perhaps the ashes could just be scattered out in the woods.

Without the urgency to bury the dead, the burial is often given little regard.

Another concern came to my attention during recent funeral preparations. There was a tense debate going on among the assembled family members as to who would get to keep the ashes and who would not. The crematorium had offered to dispense ashes to different family members in sealed boxes or urns (for a price of course) and the debate seemed to center on whether certain family members were “qualified” to get some of “Mom” or not. Yikes! And when I instructed them that no division of the remains should take place at all, but rather that burial had to be arranged, I was greeted with puzzled stares and eventual “assurances” that such burial would be arranged “in due time,” once the family could work out their differences.

But things have gotten even worse.

Many funeral homes are now offering “jewelry” made from the cremated remains of loved ones or with the remains sealed within the jewelry. If you don’t believe me, click HERE, HERE, or HERE. The ghoulishness and bad taste are surpassed only by the shock of how suddenly such bizarre practices have been introduced. One can imagine the following awful dialogue: “Hey, that’s pretty new jewelry! Was that your Mom’s?”  “Well, actually it is Mom!” Double yikes!

Cremation is certainly here to stay. And I do not doubt there are sound pastoral reasons for its use. However, the norms of the Church insist that cremated remains be treated with the same respect as the body. And just as we would not scatter body parts in the woods, or divide up limbs and torsos to distribute to family members, or put fingers into resin and wear them as earrings, neither should we do this with cremated remains. These ARE the remains of a human being and they are to be buried or placed in a mausoleum with the same respect due the uncremated body.

I think pastors are going to have to teach more explicitly on this matter and that  bishops may need to issues norms that will help to prevent problems. One helpful norm might be to refuse to celebrate a funeral Mass until proper burial is scheduled. I am unclear if a pastor alone can do this, but surely a diocese must also have an increasingly firm and clear policy of which people are widely informed.

Simply permitting cremation without well-thought-out policies has proven to be a mistake. I pray that a post like this may provoke thought from all of us in the Church as to how to deal pastorally with a situation that is degrading quickly. We must do some teaching, but we also must not cooperate with bad practices.

The website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has proposed a possible solution for Catholic cemeteries to offer to families who are financially unable to bury the cremated remains of loved ones:

For some families, the choice of cremation is based on financial hardship, so this choice often means also that there is no plan for committal or burial of the cremated remains. As a means of providing pastoral support and an acceptable respectful solution to the problem of uninterred cremated remains, one diocese offered on All Souls’ Day in 2011 an opportunity for any family who desired it the interment of cremated remains. The diocese offered a Mass and committal service at one of its Catholic cemeteries and provided, free of charge, a common vault in a mausoleum for the interment of the cremated remains. The names of the deceased interred there were kept on file, though in this case they were not individually inscribed on the vault. [1]

I am interested in your thoughts and experiences and hope to share them with my bishop and my fellow clergy



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
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To: Gaffer

The guy who invented pringles was buried in a pringles can.

No joke.


61 posted on 03/18/2015 9:12:14 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Chickensoup

I can’t imagine doing this for a living but....someone has to do it.


62 posted on 03/18/2015 9:14:13 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: fruser1

I wanted to be stuffed, but my wife refused. I thought I might look nice in the living room.

Levity aside, my wife and I both plan cremation, only we’ll have our ashes put in a hole, and a long-living tree planted over each of us, like an oak. And that will be our monument


63 posted on 03/18/2015 9:25:48 AM PDT by ferret_airlift
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To: redgolum

OK, so it’s more a cultural trait (distinguishing themselves from the surrounding pagans) than a fundamental religious doctrine, then. That makes more sense.


64 posted on 03/18/2015 9:25:48 AM PDT by Kaled
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To: mad_as_he$$

Wow! Fifty posts and no Bible quotes - new record.


Well if as long as you know where you are going when you check out there is no reason to get bent out of shape about it.

Just bury me in the garden next to the stupid lion...


65 posted on 03/18/2015 9:34:00 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Jewbacca
Bad link, but the article is (was) as follows...

 

Ashes of Pringles can designer buried in his work


CINCINNATI - The man who designed the Pringles potato crisp packaging system was so proud of his accomplishment that a portion of his ashes has been buried in one of the iconic cans.

Fredric J. Baur, of Cincinnati, died May 4 at Vitas Hospice in Cincinnati, his family said. He was 89.

Baur's children said they honored his request to bury him in one of the cans by placing part of his cremated remains in a Pringles container in his grave in suburban Springfield Township. The rest of his remains were placed in an urn buried along with the can, with some placed in another urn and given to a grandson, said Baur's daughter, Linda Baur of Diamondhead, Miss.

Baur requested the burial arrangement because he was proud of his design of the Pringles container, a son, Lawrence Baur of Stevensville, Mich., said Monday.

Baur was an organic chemist and food storage technician who specialized in research and development and quality control for Cincinnati-based Procter & Gamble Co.

Baur filed for a patent for the tubular Pringles container and for the method of packaging the curved, stacked chips in the container in 1966, and it was granted in 1970, P&G archivist Ed Rider said.

Baur retired from P&G in the early 1980s.

66 posted on 03/18/2015 9:35:17 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Jewbacca
Related story of ashes in a Pringles can..

 

Synagogue sued over missing ashes

Potato-chip can found in place of woman's remains in mausoleum


By ROMA KHANNA
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

The empty niche at left at Congregation Beth Israel's mausoleum once held the ashes of Vivian Shulman Lieberman. The niche of her husband, Seymour Lieberman, is at right.

When relatives of Vivian Shulman Lieberman went to visit her final resting place in a Houston mausoleum one year ago today, they discovered that the cedar chest containing her ashes was missing.

In its place, behind the locked, glass door of Lieberman's niche in Congregation Beth Israel's mausoleum, was a can of sour-cream-and-onion potato chips.



The ashes are still missing, says Philip Hilder, an attorney for Lieberman's two daughters.

"We have been devastated," Marcelle Lieberman said this week. "We hope we will be able to find her remains before we die, to give us closure of some sort."

Marcelle Lieberman says she visited the niche that July and her sister visited in fall 2003.

The daughters say they returned to the mausoleum together on June 10, 2004, their father's birthday, and discovered the potato chip can in their mother's niche.

A locksmith opened the niche and Houston police took custody of the can, which still contained potato chips.

"To their added horror," the lawsuit states, "Harriet and Marcelle learned that the ... can had been visible in the niche for at least six months."

The daughters allege that Schlitzberger's failed to close and lock the niche. More....

67 posted on 03/18/2015 9:38:20 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Exactly! Mine is a wooden bear statue....


68 posted on 03/18/2015 9:49:18 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Salvation
The Orthodox Church still forbids cremations, with the exception of Japan where cremation is legally required.

The prohibition is partially due to the expectation of the resurrection, but as others on the thread pointed out, God is certainly capable of resurrecting ashes or decomposed bodies into our new, heavenly bodies. For good descriptions of what resurrection will be like, see The Valley of Dry Bones section of Ezekiel. St. Paul also discussed the resurrection.

Primary reason for forbidding cremation has to do with the nature of man. We are made in the image and likeness of God. Some saints clearly manifest that image and likeness in the current life and their bodies can also manifest that after their death. This is the foundation of the veneration of relics.

There are also biblical foundations for the power of relics. I don't have the citation handy, but the body of Elijah brought a man back to life (2 Kings?).

The willful destruction of a human body, like through cremation, can be viewed as also destroying God's handwork and the image and likeness of God.

Traditional Orthodox practices do not allow embalming either. Open caskets are the norm at funerals.

69 posted on 03/18/2015 10:00:46 AM PDT by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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To: rfreedom4u; Salvation

There is usually a waiting period for both bodies and ashes to be interred at Arlington National Cemetery. This is due to the number of veterans who qualify to be burried there and the number of burials that can be done each day. The two burials I’ve attended in the last 3 years had a two month delay from the vet’s death to the earliest date the body could be buried.

Veterans who served aboard the USS Arizona can request their ashes be intered within the hull of the old battleship. The ashes are placed in a water proof container and placed at the bottom of gun turret number 3. One of the recent shows about the attack on Pearl Harbor shows such an interment, which is done with respect and solemenity.

A co-worker career Navy veteran uncle recently died and his ashes were buried at sea by a Navy ship and crew. I don’t know if it was a scattering of ashes over the sea, or a version of ‘burying a body’ by casting the urn into the waters. Again, done with all military honors.


70 posted on 03/18/2015 10:03:22 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaled
I never understood the logic of this. Did somebody (unclear on the definition of "omnipotent") believe that it was possible for God to resurrect a dead body, but restoring ashes was just too much to expect?

It had to do with the Masons. Many denied the Resurrection and used cremation to "prove" their point. Consequently the Catholic Church had to oppose this practice of cremation to avoid the apeparence of denying the Resurrection.

71 posted on 03/18/2015 10:05:10 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: Kaled
I never understood the logic of this. Did somebody (unclear on the definition of "omnipotent") believe that it was possible for God to resurrect a dead body, but restoring ashes was just too much to expect?

It had to do with the Masons. Many denied the Resurrection and used cremation to "prove" their point. Consequently the Catholic Church had to oppose this practice of cremation to avoid the appearance of denying the Resurrection.

72 posted on 03/18/2015 10:05:18 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: Cicero; Salvation; rfreedom4u

From a commentary/reflection on the Spiritual Body That I am posting for your consideration.

http://bswett.com/2013-01Body.html

Some Christian churches teach the doctrine of the resurrection of the body — that the physical bodies of all the dead will rise from their graves at the end of the age and be restored to health and wholeness, but Saint Paul wrote to the early church at Corinth: “The body that is sown [buried] is perishable; it is raised imperishable — it is sown a natural [physical] body; it is raised a spiritual body.” (I Corinthians 15: 42-44) Here are some indications that this can happen now and not only at the end of the age.

“Jimmy L.”

Jimmy was old. He fell in his bathroom and broke his right hand. It didn’t heal properly and remained badly crippled, drawn up like a claw. Several years later, he died, and I went to his memorial service. I thought I saw him sitting in his usual place in church. After the service, I went outside to smoke my pipe. When I looked back at the church, I saw Jimmy smiling at me through the glass door. He knew I saw him, and grinned, and held up his right hand in the World War Two “OK” sign (tip of forefinger against tip of thumb to make the O, with the other three fingers extended and flexed to make the K). It was only later that I realized the significance of what I saw — his hand isn’t crippled anymore.

“Remember yourself young and strong”

While my son, Bruce, and his wife, Laura, were visiting a nursing home, they saw the ghost of an old woman who probably died there, all crippled and hunched down as though she was still in her wheel chair. They tried to speak to her, but she was unresponsive. They didn’t know what to do, so they prayed for her. Bruce was inspired to say to her, “Remember yourself young and strong.” Both Bruce and Laura saw that crippled old woman suddenly transform into a beautiful young woman and go dancing up into the Light.


73 posted on 03/18/2015 10:17:48 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Salvation

My screen name is where my wife’s ashes are spread. She asked me to have her body cremated because she wanted to have the last laugh at the cancer that killed her. She loved the majestic redwoods at the Muir National Monument forest so there she is.


74 posted on 03/18/2015 10:25:51 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Cremation is little more than desecration

After I die and my soul goes to heaven, will angels come and grab me and throw me out if my dead body is eventually cremated?

75 posted on 03/18/2015 10:30:50 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: Salvation
Very few if any people these days choose cremation for the reasons it had traditionally been forbidden, namely as a denial of the resurrection of the body.

Why do they believe that God would not be able to gather , reassemble, rehydrate and reanimate even the scattered ashes of the cremated?

76 posted on 03/18/2015 10:46:30 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Salvation
My plan is to live forever. So far, my plan is working.

If that doesn't work, I hope to live to be 100 and get shot by a jealous husband.

77 posted on 03/18/2015 11:50:27 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: fruser1

“I always wanted to be stuffed. Then I could be wheeled out for family gatherings.”

Lol! You could also have a motion sensor somewhere so when someone walked by it would trigger recordings of you (obviously made in advance) of phrases you were known to say or perhaps a generalized comment about the weather.


78 posted on 03/18/2015 12:04:12 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: GreyFriar

Maybe it just on my end, but I tried the link you provided twice and it doesn’t work properly. I’d like to read more of what you posted...


79 posted on 03/18/2015 12:22:47 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Salvation

interesting!!

my first wife has both of her parents ashes in urn’s on her hutch, and the cats are in a box, my father was scattered at sea, my mother is at my house waiting for my brother to make up his mind on what to do


80 posted on 03/18/2015 12:35:29 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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