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Posted on 12/09/2015 1:36:26 PM PST by NYer
Ping!
I wish Catholics would make up their minds. Did Mary need a savior or didn’t she? (Hint: She called God “my savior.”)
Yes! She was saved at her conception!
“Now, those lines make sense if Mary is another sinner just like us, who needs to be delivered from sin.”
Yup. Otherwise Christ was born to someone who neither needed a savior nor could pass on the reality of being fully human. The whole POINT of incarnation was that He be “one of us”, and not some perfect being utterly unable to relate to the human condition, who would _not_ be subject to temptation nor original sin.
Mary did you know that your baby boy will some day walk on water?
Mary did you know that your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?
Did you know that your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered, will soon deliver you.
Mary did you know that your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Mary did you know that your baby boy will calm a storm with his hand?
Did you know that your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little baby, you have kissed the face of God.
Oh Mary did you know
The blind will see, the deaf will hear, the dead will live again.
The lame will leap, the dumb will speak, the praises of the lamb
Mary did you know that your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Mary did you know that your baby boy would one day rule the nations?
Did you know that your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?
This sleeping child you're holding is the great I am
>> But if Mary is a sinner in need of a savior, then she cannot be the worthy vessel in whom the All-Holy God takes on human nature as the Word-Made-Flesh.
Oh yes she could — because sovereign Almighty GOD chose Mary, of sinful flesh like you and I, to aid in implementing His perfect Plan for our salvation.
There is absolutely zero scriptural evidence that Mary is not without sin. That’s a roman catholic fantasy, nothing more. You, mortal catholic, are placing yourself in the position of dictating on behalf of the Almighty what He is able and what He is not able to do. That’s dangerous ground to occupy.
Ayup, this is a Protestant song. So don’t sing it if you don’t want it, Catholics. Simple enough?
Sorry, should read “There is absolutely zero scriptural evidence that Mary is without sin.”
Jesus was the only sinless person because he didn't inherit man's sin nature which is passed on through one's earthly father. Mary had a father which meant she had a sin nature. She obviously was found worthy by God to find his favor, but no where does the Bible say that she had to be sinless.
Romans 3:23
Acts 4:9-12, particularly verse 12
Oh, not this again.
Yes! She was saved at her conception!
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Mary was also immaculately conceived?
Cool.
I know my Bible pretty well, and I see nothing in the lyrics of this song that contradicts it in any way.
The Catholic Church has never suggested that she didn’t need a savior.
Thank you.
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Even under that model, the act that would cement it was to come in the future in the time line of the world. This is getting ultra picky.
Really, among Jesuits is Mary’s humanity in dispute or that the Baby Jesus is God incarnate? Am always genuinely and respectfully curious about Catholic doctrine. I’m in a choir that’s singing this hymn in a couple weeks and it is one of the most moving we have in the Christmas repertoire. I find it hard to understand why a priest would object to the message it conveys.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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