Was the Shroud’s First-Century Origin Really Debunked?

Inside the Vatican ^ | Jim Bertrand

[annalex]

Pope Francis prays before the actual Shroud of Turin during a showing in Turin in 2015

New Exposé Reveals Carbon Dating Labs’ — and Church’s — Errors and Contradictions

By Jim Bertrand

Longtime Shroud of Turin researcher Joseph Marino has just released his latest book in which he has compiled the most comprehensive collection of data on the 1988 Carbon-14 dating test conducted on the mysterious linen which many believe to be the burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth.

Released last November, The 1988 C-14 Dating of the Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé includes data from many rare documents and correspondences.

One of the most important sources was the archive of the late Professor Luigi Gonella, who was the scientific adviser to the late Anastasio Ballestrero, the Cardinal of Turin.

The 800-page book reveals numerous questionable actions, errors and contradictions by both the Catholic Church and the C-14 labs before, during and after the taking of the sample on April 21, 1988. The contradictions included multiple versions of the sizes and weights of the chosen samples.

[annalex]

You’re the boss here.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Carbon dating. I have always wondered how it can separate the form from the substance. Are you telling me we can date the time this fabric was woven together, or the date its substance came into being? I am a skeptic when it comes to this science, because those who practice carbon dating evade this funamental question.

[WildHighlander57]

I remember they took samples from the patches that were added later on.

[Pez149]

First off Jesus did not have long hair.
2nd Jesus had his facial hair plunked.
3rd the nails were driven into the wrist.
4th Jesus was bound in strips of linen and his face was covered by a napkin(separate cloth)
These are mentioned in the Bible.

Otherwise you decide.....

[SkyDancer]

There was only one sample that was cut into several slices and sent off to different labs and not told they were the same sample.

After attending several seminars on the Shroud there is no doubt in my mind that it's an image of a scourged crucified man and no way possible it was a man made image.

[gov_bean_ counter]

Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Douay-Rheims Bible. Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed.
John 20:29

[BigEdLB]

So what was the Carbon 14 date of the shroud? External contaminants can mess up any readings

[plain talk]

At some point they need to perform new dating of the shroud. Of course they would need to ensure they were not testing yet another piece of the shroud that had been repaired and repeat the same mistake again.

Perhaps they should wait until technology advances to the point where even less material is required for the dating.

[BigEdLB]

People are too hung up on side issues and ignoring Jesus’ message. God’s envoy to the world. He may have survived the Crucifixion, and continued his message outside of Judea. France and Kashmir. Please Don’t pm me, but I will dialog with reply’s on this thread

[Captain Walker]

He may have survived the Crucifixion, and continued his message outside of Judea. France and Kashmir.

The Romans would have never allowed Him to be taken down from the cross if He were not dead. Furthermore, the Jews would have never buried Him if He were not dead.

[MercyFlush]

Catholic interest ping.

[BipolarBob]

You should write a book. Fiction, of course.

[BigEdLB]

We have things we don’t know. The most important thing is Jesus’ message.

[BigEdLB]

Carbon 14 is subject to contamination

[BipolarBob]

Agreed. I highly doubt the Shroud is authentic. But a certain denomination has a penchant for relics.

[newfreep]

Today’s technology still cannot duplicate the 3D image that was “burned” into the shroud at the instantaneous moment of Christ’s resurrection.

[ready2brd]

It’s pretty simple. Organisms accumulate carbon until they die. Then it slowly deteriorates at a known rate. Measuring that tells us the age at which the cotton was picked.

[j.havenfarm]

Huh? I took Ed’s point to be the opposite. That the susceptibility of carbon 14 processes to contamination renders the medieval dating unreliable. Two samples were supposed to be extracted but they only took one. Bob it’s not that it was taken from a repaired area per se, it’s that the sample contained interwoven threads from a repair. Where the burns took place there are big patches; minor damage was repaired by interweaving threads to build up and fill in the damage. By definition, the presence of Middle Ages repair threads makes the dating useless. This thing has been handled, subject to large amounts of candle and incense smoke, fire,
Smoke and water damage, and stored, until relatively recently, under very adverse conditions for… yes… 2000 years. The testing didn’t follow its own protocol and is essentially not reliable

[Secret Agent Man]

For me the shroud is irrelelvant

The cross is everything