Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians

ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

""what if that's the case for christianity? What if we die and we find out the guys who worship rocks were right?""

Then you will be a very rich man....we got lotsa rocks.

[ArGee]

Curiously enough, this "Father" of yours doesn't seem to be the only one in the field with "messages."

This is true, but if you open your heart you will know His voice. It is very distinct and easy to hear.

Open your heart.

Shalom.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Leave the what-if's for the fantasy writers. Let's talk about what is.

Actually... I am a fantasy writer (unpublished, as yet, but still....). Want to talk about the what if's? 8>)

[eFudd]

Christianity requires that you accept the reign of Jesus in your life. If you reject that reign, you will go to the place where He does not reign. It will be your choice. I'm just curious why you would make that choice? What has that place got that Heaven hasn't got?

The arrogance in your reply answers the rhetorical question of this thread.

Why would anyone concern themselves with heaven or hell until there is proof that either exists?

I will make you a millionaire. All you have to do is send me 10% of your money and have faith. If you do not become a millionaire it is because you did not send me the money or you did not have enough faith.

Honestly, don't you find that argument a bit weak?

Even if I add the argument that if you do not send me your money and have enough faith then you will spend eternity burning in a lake of fire the argument is still weak.

Especially if I cannot show you a lake of fire with someone in it burning.

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

Ah, a man with a reasonable mind....touche.

[sayfer bullets]

We have our own more open and accessable paths to where we want to go in this life and in the next.

Notice that the Rich man was not forcing anyone inside. While others may have tried in his name (not mentioned in the story)....he did not.

[soundsolutions]

The Bible is God’s word, and it can be demonstrated far beyond any doubt, that the book was not written by mere men. So, it records claims of Jesus, either what he said was 100% the truth or nothing he said is true. No one logically can pick and choose which things Christ said; that they will agree is true. There is no middle ground.

[Elsie]

God didn't open the doors to Heaven and let me in, He opened the doors to Hell and let me out.

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OOooooh! (hairs stand up on arm!)

This bears repeating......

God didn't open the doors to Heaven and let me in, He opened the doors to Hell and let me out.

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No, it needs to be shouted!!!

God didn't open the doors to Heaven and let me in,
He opened the doors to Hell and let me out.

[Pablo64]

Excellent post.

Our local Christian radio station ran an add about a year ago with much the same story. It was played out as a deadly disease that was killing everyone (sin) but the King had a cure and, although it was a very costly cure, He offered to pay it for everyone who would come and receive it. All they had to do was come through the door He designated. As in your story, there were those who complained loudly to anyone who would hear how "unfair" it was that the King who was providing the cure for the fatal disease wouldn't just let them enter His courts any old way they pleased.

There is only one road to heaven and God has been gracious enough to point it out clearly to us.

Peace.

[Junior]

What if the person's never heard of Christ? He's doomed to eternal damnation? What about babies who die in infancy before learning about Christ? What about all the billions of folks who lived before Jesus walked the Earth, or died before he died?

[ArGee]

Trot him out, that's all the evidence I need.

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that He is a beast of whom I am the master?

I don't trot Him out, He comes when you call to Him. He is there for you to find. He desires a relationship with you.

But, as Jesus said: (Luke 16:31) "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

Even if He were to appear to you tonight, you would convince yourself you were dreaming. There is no more complete evidence than what already is. It isn't a lack of evidence that is bothering you, it is a lack of will.

Open the eyes of your heart and you will see.

Shalom.

[soundsolutions]

I did not see it addressed to everyone...But it is interesting that this "outlawed" religious discussion has heated up the server so much. Could that be because people have a deep desire to really find out about Truth? And maybe are looking for logical explanations?

[Khepera]

Rnmomof7 sent me an email which sh says quotes Jim Robinson. I do not believe Rnmomof7 would lie to me about anything. This is what I received.

FYI: Re: Pope John Paul II's World Day of Peace Message
REPLIED Jim Robinson
2002-01-03 12:39:27 Well, I do not want a lot of hot religious debate on FR. This is not the place for it. Please cool it. Thanks, Jim

I believe her when she says she got tis from Jim.

[Elsie]

If 990 religions in a row are false, the chances are pretty good that religion 991 will be false as well. And by the time you get to testing religion 1000, it stands to reason it'll be false, too.

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Faulty logic..........

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If 990 coin flips in a row are tails, the chances are pretty good that flip 991 will be tails as well. And by the time you get to flipping coin 1000, it stands to reason it'll be tails, too.

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Just change the wording and you'll see...........

[Khepera]

Rnmomof7 sent me an email which sh says quotes Jim Robinson. I do not believe Rnmomof7 would lie to me about anything. This is what I received.

FYI: Re: Pope John Paul II's World Day of Peace Message
REPLIED Jim Robinson
2002-01-03 12:39:27 Well, I do not want a lot of hot religious debate on FR. This is not the place for it. Please cool it. Thanks, Jim

I believe her when she says she got tis from Jim.

[fourdeuce82d]

"...it can be demonstrated far beyond any doubt, that the book was not written by mere men"

Demonstrated how? Could you expand on this part?

[sayfer bullets]

If 990 religions in a row are false, the chances are pretty good that religion 991 will be false as well. And by the time you get to testing religion 1000, it stands to reason it'll be false, too.

To the cynic or pessimist, perhaps. But then this person probably never looked very far into religion 1 in the first place. Nor did he compare 1 to 3, or 20 to 52.

It's always easier to NOT do something than it is TO do something, so it stands to reason that the cynic/pessimist believes in nothing.

[LuvItOrLeaveIt]

The Bible is God’s word, and it can be demonstrated far beyond any doubt, that the book was not written by mere men.

There is no evidence to support this assertion. The Bible was written by men, that is fact. You have yet to demostrate this god you assert exists, let alone that it wrote down anything.

So, it records claims of Jesus, either what he said was 100% the truth or nothing he said is true.

As with all mythology, there is a modicum of basis in fact. Such is the way with myths and legends.

No one logically can pick and choose which things Christ said; that they will agree is true. There is no middle ground.

Which is precisely why it is 100% safe to reject all of it as superstitious nonsense.

[Khepera]

Sorry for the double post. I'll be quiet now.

[Anamensis]

Well, I don't understand people who would sit outside the locked door, but I consider myself and other atheists to be more the type that sees the fliers and goes to the stadium only to be told that the banquet will be held "soon." No one knows when. When we ask, we find that the fliers have been posted for 2000 years... so we go find our own food. We see you as folks who've been hanging around looking for free food for a very, very long time. Hey, it's your choice...