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Count Hans Kolvenbach, the "black pope" - The Most Powerful Man In The World?
Revelation: Prophecy And Apologetic Website ^ | 4/15/2000 | Rick Martin

Posted on 05/21/2003 9:38:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional "master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

(Excerpt) Read more at revelationwebsite.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Humor; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: babylon; blackpope; catholicism; catholics; conspiracy; endtimes; jackchick; jesuits; kolvenbach; pope; rcc
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To: Campion
Christianity Today, an evangelical magazine, completely debunked Rivera's story a few years ago. He's a phony, and his claims are lies.

I had wondered as much. Rivera's role as an informant/witness reminded me unconfortably of former Christian author and comedian Mike Warnke. Warnke claimed to be a converted Satanist in his book The Satan Seller, but was ultimately outed as merely an opportunist who concocted his tale for profit.

41 posted on 05/22/2003 3:09:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Campion; Alex Murphy
In defense of Alberto Rivera go to:

http://members.tripod.com/~dabz_2/updates/critics/critics.htm

Sorry, but I haven't learned linking yet. You'll have to copy/paste.

42 posted on 05/22/2003 3:46:11 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
OK, this is my first attempt at a link. I'll try the address from post 42 above.

In defense of Alberto Rivera

43 posted on 05/22/2003 4:19:19 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
congrats!
44 posted on 05/22/2003 4:22:16 PM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: All
Well, this is a big day for old Ex-Wretch. I finally learned how to make life easier for everyone else by providing a link :)
45 posted on 05/22/2003 4:23:16 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: drstevej
Steve -

Thanks mucho. I wish I could tell you how something this small has made my day! Lord bless ya real good now.

The Linkster (FReeper formerly known as Ex-Wretch)

46 posted on 05/22/2003 4:28:46 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
Link-On, brother!
47 posted on 05/22/2003 4:33:09 PM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Ex-Wretch
This "defense" consists of

a) slanderous comments, some by devout athiests and some by Christians of various denominations, against the character and nature of the RCC and the Pope (ie "they have every reason to lie"), and
b) positive assumptions and character references about Rivera and Jack Chick (ie "they have no reason to lie").

In other words, the "defense" relies almost exclusively on the same tactics the RCC is accused of using, namely character assassination.

48 posted on 05/22/2003 4:45:23 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
"In other words, the "defense" relies almost exclusively on the same tactics the RCC is accused of using, namely character assassination."

Well, I'm all for turning the other cheek. I like few words and letting your yea be yea and your nay/nay. When you say that it contains slander, well, maybe yes. But, slander does not necessarily mean incorrect or untrue. Consider Jesus addressing the religious charlatans of that time (i.e. "you vipers"). They hated Him for it. They were blinded by the devil, the world, the flesh and, were more concerned with how they looked in others eyes than in God's.

49 posted on 05/22/2003 5:04:26 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
You miss my point. This defense of Rivera makes no attempt to refute the RCC claims (that Rivera was no priest), via producing certification papers, photographs, 3rd party personal testimonies etc. Instead, the defense of Rivera consists entirely of attacks upon the character and doctrine of the RCC.

Such accusations against the RCC may (or may not) be true, but they do little to prove or disprove Rivera's case that he really was a priest. And if he wasn't really a priest, his whole conspiracy charge, based on his supposed first-hand knowledge, experience, and access to insider information as a priest, falls completely apart. If his foundational argument (having been a priest) is a lie, who's to say what's built upon it isn't a lie as well? The proof of the conspiracy is founded upon his first-hand knowledge as a former priest. No priest = no proof.

Any defense of Rivera needs to be made for his own credentials, not against those of his opponents.

50 posted on 05/22/2003 9:04:58 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
There was a book available through Chick called "Is Alberto for Real?" in which copies of the documentation you suggest were provided. Here is a Book Review. RC's will find it inflammatory. Be forewarned.

People will either believe or they won't. The adroitly promised plenary indulgences for all who can expunge the record of Mother's dirty laundry is a successful tool that has been used for centuries. Nevertheless, His truth is marching on.

51 posted on 05/23/2003 6:20:39 AM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Ex-Wretch
RC's will find it inflammatory. Be forewarned.

So will fans of Pat Robertson and readers of Christianity Today, I suspect. The book itself is published by Jack Chick - I'd hoped that a third party could have substantiated Rivera's claims, rather than the very same company that had published the original work. I have no doubts that the RCC has hopes and plans to bring every soul into her fold. I would expect similar plans coming from any Protestant denomination, too. There's nothing inherently evil about making plans to convert the world. What makes them evil is what someone wants to convert it into.

To that end, what the Jesuit conspiracy contains are four distinct, unspoken assumptions regarding the Jesuits' intentions and what constitutes "true" faith:

1) There are a great deal of additional activities and doctrines under the "minimum requirements" for saving faith, based on the home URL behind this article. Things like KJV-only study, specific modes/methods of baptism, specific eschatologies, etc. And Catholic doctrines are assumed to be anti-biblical enough to damn and doom the souls of any that fall under her fold, regardless of any doctrines shared with Protestants, ie the Nature of God, work of Christ, etc.

2) The Catholic/Jesuit heirarchy actually and overtly worship Satan in her own private worship. The RCC intentionally deceives and traps Catholics within a web of false doctrines and practices - in fact, all non-believers are fully conscious of the truth and their rebellion to it.

3) The premillennial, pretribulational view of future events is the only legitimate, Biblical interpretation of the prophecies in Daniel and Revelations. Even unbelievers agree with this particular interpretation of events, and proponents of any other eschatology are heretical and intentionally deceptive by nature. The RCC must be the Great Whore of Babylon in this conspiracy's view, and not (assuming the worst otherwise) just another corrupt organization seeking power on Earth.

I do not agree with any of these assumptions. For those reasons, I don't agree with the accusations/conclusions that the RCC is an inherently evil organization bent on ruling the world to the glory of her secret god Satan, and thus I am suspect of Alberto Rivera and Jack Chick's credentials and intentions in the matter.

52 posted on 05/23/2003 10:55:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy; Campion
Ok, you denounce Rivera as a fraud. What about Charles Chiniquy? (No doubt the church has trashed him, also)

http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/chin/fiftyc.htm

53 posted on 05/24/2003 7:12:42 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Alex Murphy
IMO, the author presents two separate points. One is political, that the Jesuits are evil and in control. The other is his religious viewpoint.... how he makes sense of this evil in terms of his own religious/eschatological beliefs. That he may be off the mark in his analysis of how things will play out, does not mean that he is wrong about the intentions of the Jesuits.

Time will tell if his religious opinions are correct or not. As for a conspiracy within the vatican, if even half of what he has written is true, it would at least give me pause.
54 posted on 05/24/2003 7:50:19 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Alex Murphy
In other words, the "defense" relies almost exclusively on the same tactics the RCC is accused of using, namely character assassination.

Yep, it kinda reminds me of Bill Clinton and Kathleen Willey. One of 'em is lying and one of 'em is telling the truth.

55 posted on 05/24/2003 8:06:39 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: 1 spark
Chinquy's main doctrinal beef with the RCC seemed to be alcoholism, not idolatry or Satanism...

"...Intoxicating drinks are the curse of this young country. It is the most deadly foe of every father and mother, the most implacable enemy of every child in Canada. It is the ruin of our rich families, as well as the destruction of the poor. The use of intoxicating drinks, under any form, or pretext, is an act of supreme folly; for alcohol kills the body and damns the soul of its blind victims. You have, for the first time, raised the glorious banners of temperance among the French Canadian people; though you are alone, today, to lift it up, be not discouraged..."

"...I was forced to acknowledge that these Protestants, whom my Church had taught me, through all her councils, to anathematize and curse as the slaves and followers of Satan, were, in their principles of morality, higher above us than the heavens are above the earth! I had to confess to myself that those heretics, whom my church had taught me to consider as rebels against Christ and His Church, knew the laws of God and followed them much more closely than ourselves. They had raised themselves to the highest degree of Christian temperance, when my bishops, with their priests, were swimming in the deadly waters of drunkenness!..."
Chapter 37 from your link

56 posted on 05/24/2003 8:45:17 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Read on past the romper room stuff to the assassination of President Lincoln and more.

Chapter 61:

But who was that assassin? Booth was nothing but a tool of the Jesuits. It was Rome who directed his arm, after corrupting his heart and damning his soul.

After I had mixed my tears with those of the grand country of my adoption, I fell on my knees and asked my God to grant me to show to the world what I knew to be the truth, viz., that that horrible crime was the work of popery. And, after twenty years of constant and most difficult researches, I came fearlessly today before the American people, to say and prove that the President, Abraham Lincoln, was assassinated by the priests and the Jesuits of Rome.

and further along....

Read the history of the assassination of Admiral Coligny, Henry III. and Henry IV., and William the Taciturn, by the hired assassins of the Jesuits; compare them with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and you will find that one resembles the others as one drop of water resembles another. You will understand that they all come from the same source, Rome!

57 posted on 05/24/2003 9:08:30 PM PDT by 1 spark
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To: Alex Murphy
The 'black pope' could be a black man, perhaps Arinze, OR it could be a jesuit.

The 'glory of the olive', could be 'Martini'.

58 posted on 05/24/2003 9:42:50 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Deut. 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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I love conspiracies where they stop to pose for team pictures.

59 posted on 08/28/2003 11:31:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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