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Gun shows caught amid heated crossfire
The Kansas City Star ^ | Sun, Mar. 26, 2006 | JUDY L. THOMAS

Posted on 03/26/2006 4:56:25 AM PST by jmq

Each weekend in America, vast arsenals of weapons are bought and sold. Critics say those buyers include criminals. Advocates insist it’s all legal. Assault rifles were displayed for sale at a gun show March 12 at the 3 Trails Expo Center in Kansas City. While legal, such shows worry law enforcement officials.

AK-47s. SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets. Machine gun displays.

It’s just another weekend at a Kansas City gun show, where there is so much firepower at your fingertips that even some gun enthusiasts shake their heads in wonder.

But the shows — which gained popularity in the 1990s and now number in the thousands nationwide — are coming under increasing fire as critics claim they are contributing to the incidence of violent crime.

“Gun shows are one of our main problems,” said Kansas City Mayor Pro Tem Alvin Brooks. “These are the guns that end up on the streets of America.”

Brooks recalled several teens who were shot last year in retaliation for robbing a drug dealer at gunpoint.

“One got killed, one lost a leg, and one was paralyzed,” Brooks said. “This one fellow who I talked to (at the hospital) said they had bought those guns at gun shows. He said all you have to do is be 18 years old, and sometimes they don’t ask you anything if you’ve got cash.”

Critics contend that the biggest problem is a legal loophole that allows criminals and others who are prohibited from buying a firearm to obtain guns from unlicensed sellers at guns shows. In most states, including Missouri and Kansas, no background checks are required to buy long guns — including assault rifles — from sellers who do not have a federal firearms license.

Gun-rights advocates maintain, however, that there is no “gun show loophole.”

“If anyone is involved in the trade of selling and buying firearms, they have to obtain a federal firearms license,” said Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association. “That is the law of the land today, so to say that there’s a loophole is disingenuous.”

While Arulanandam acknowledged that unlicensed sellers do not have to conduct background checks, he said they were in the “distinct minority.”

Local law enforcement authorities insist gun shows remain a major concern.

“I think the average person would be in awe at what’s all legal now,” said Maj. Anthony Ell, commander of the Kansas City Police Department’s violent crimes division. “Individuals who may not be able to get them legally through proper licensed dealers, that gun show loophole allows them to bypass all of that and get guns.”

But Paul Marquardt, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Kansas City, said the agency is more concerned about “the people who illegally sell firearms to criminals” such as felons, illegal aliens or drug traffickers.

“The ATF does not target gun shows, we target criminals who are trying to acquire firearms from any source whether it’s in a back alley or anywhere else,” Marquardt said.

Gun sellers interviewed by The Kansas City Star said that despite the presence of law enforcement authorities, illegal sales and gun thefts occur at area shows. A reporter observed one questionable firearm transaction at a recent show. And a vendor said someone had stolen handguns from him and another vendor.

What’s more, the leader of a white supremacist gang of bank robbers told The Star that he and his partners found that gun shows in Missouri and Kansas were a quick way to buy and dump weapons used in their crimes.

“It was incredibly easy,” said Peter Langan, who in the 1990s was the head of the Aryan Republican Army, a group that prosecutors say was responsible for 22 bank robberies in the Midwest. “Gun shows, just for the sheer volume and selection, you just couldn’t beat ’em,” Langan said in a telephone interview from prison, where he is serving a life sentence.

One of Langan’s convicted associates, Kevin McCarthy, told the FBI after he was arrested that he had used one of those guns in a 1994 bank heist in Missouri. “McCarthy utilized a 9 mm Ruger Pistol, Model PT-89,” an FBI special agent wrote in an investigative summary obtained by The Star. “McCarthy had previously purchased this pistol at a gun show in Kansas City, Mo.”

Brooks said the teen wounded in last year’s shootout told him that his friends often would go to shows to buy and resell guns. They preferred lethal-looking weapons similar to the TEC-DC9 with a 30-round clip that police took off a young man at the St. Patrick’s Day parade.

“The AR-15, the TEC-9 and the AK-47 are what they’re getting,” Brooks said.

Double standard?

When Congress passed the Brady Bill in 1993, it put in place what some consider a double standard for the purchase of guns. Licensed dealers have to conduct background checks on buyers while unlicensed sellers — private individuals and collectors — do not.

Critics say that means criminals and others who are prohibited from buying a firearm can skirt the law and get guns from unlicensed sellers at gun shows.

For years, gun-safety advocates have called for federal legislation to close what they contend is a gun show loophole. But the gun lobby has argued that would shut down gun shows, and the legislation has stalled.

Eighteen states, however, have passed laws that either require background checks before the purchase of any firearms at gun shows or require buyers to first obtain a permit. Missouri, for example, requires a permit for all handgun purchases, although long guns and assault rifles do not require one.

But the remaining states — including Kansas — still allow buyers to purchase firearms from unlicensed sellers at gun shows without obtaining a permit or undergoing a criminal background check.

Gun-rights advocates contend that most people who sell guns at gun shows are licensed dealers, not private sellers, so it is not that big a problem.

“There are only a few people who buy tables to dispose of private collections,” said Kevin Jamison, a Gladstone lawyer and member of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance. “That’s been rare, and it’s getting more and more unusual.”

But the ATF estimates that up to one-fourth of the gun sellers at shows are unlicensed. And authorities argue that criminals and illegal gun traffickers are wise to that, although they’re also getting firearms from licensed dealers.

Last month, an ATF official testified before a congressional subcommittee that more than 400 firearms purchased at gun shows in the Richmond, Va., area between 2002 and 2005 were later used in crimes. Checks of 302 persons who had purchased guns from licensed dealers at those shows in a 15-month period revealed that 47 had provided false addresses.

An earlier report on illegal weapons by the ATF found that gun shows were the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations. In some cases, known or suspected terrorists bought guns at shows.

A known member of Hezbollah, for example, was convicted in 2001 in a federal court in Michigan for trying to smuggle guns into Lebanon. An undercover agent saw the man buy a weapon at a gun show without a background check.

Gun-rights advocates insist the shows are not a major source of weapons used in crimes. The NRA cites a 2001 Bureau of Justice Statistics report that said fewer than 1 percent of guns used in crimes came from gun shows.

“The biggest source of crime firearms is the black market,” Arulanandam said. “Law enforcement always refers to criminals looking for a clean gun. What they’re referring to is they want to find a firearm that’s not traceable. And every time you go through a retail outlet or any FFL (federal firearms licensed dealer), you have a long paper trail.”

Shows still popular

Each year, more than 5,000 gun shows are held nationwide, according to the ATF. The National Association of Arms Shows says that an average of 2,500 to 3,000 people attend a typical show, purchasing between 100,000 and 300,000 guns annually.

“On any given weekend, there’s a gun show going on someplace,” Jamison said. “In the greater Kansas City area, there’s probably one to two gun shows in any given month.”

At a March 12 gun show at the 3 Trails Expo Center next to Bannister Mall, tables were teeming with handguns, assault rifles, knives and war memorabilia.

Several vendors were selling books and pamphlets such as “How to Make Disposable Silencers” and “Homemade Grenade Launchers.” A few publications described how to convert semiautomatic weapons into machine guns — which is illegal under federal law.

But overall, the show appeared to be taking steps to assure the safe handling of weapons, and there was visible security.

Signs at the entrance warned, “No Loaded Guns Inside.” Two off-duty Jackson County sheriff’s deputies checked guns brought into the building. Other deputies strolled the aisles of the show, which organizer Waylon Pearson of R.K. Shows in Manchester, Iowa, said drew 4,000 people.

Lee Morlang’s table included a Rock River AR-15 assault rifle for $850. Morlang said he was selling his private collection and therefore did not need a license. He estimated that 10 to 12 other vendors were unlicensed sellers who were not required to conduct background checks.

Morlang said he did not need any background check to tell him who should and should not be buying a gun. “I can read people like a book,” he said. “If we get a bad person in here, we get rid of ’em.”

Others at the show keep an eye out as well, he said. “There was a guard here yesterday, he saw two guys here that had been in prison. The minute they saw him, they hit the door.”

But apparently that does not prevent all crime at the shows. Morlang said someone recently stole a .44-caliber handgun from him as he was loading weapons after a show. The same thing happened to another vendor, he said.

As he spoke, Morlang watched two men near his booth. One handed the other a wad of cash, who then gave the man a handgun — a possible violation of the law which requires handgun purchasers to first obtain a permit.

“See right there?” Morlang asked. “There’s a transaction going on right in front of us of an unregistered gun.” He shook his head, adding, “it’s that kind of stuff that gives these shows a bad name.”

Dean Parr, owner of Dean’s Gun Shop in St. Joseph, said he and other licensed dealers have to abide by the same laws at gun shows as they do at their stores.

“If they buy a gun off an individual at a gun show, they don’t have to do the paperwork,” Parr conceded. “But they could do the same thing at a truck stop or somewhere else, too.”

Parr, however, doubted that many criminals were getting guns at the shows.

“If they are, it’s a very small percentage,” he said. “But if there was anything they could do to monitor these shows better, it would be to have someone out in the parking lot to keep people from buying and selling guns out there.”

The Jan. 15 gun show at the KCI Expo Center, sponsored by the Missouri Valley Arms Collectors Association, also enjoyed a huge turnout and appeared to be well run. Although that show offered fewer handguns than the March show, there were plenty of assault weapons.

The ATF had two representatives available to answer questions and several off-duty Kansas City police officers walked the aisles. Nearby, one vendor was selling what was purported to be armor-piercing ammunition, also known as “cop killer” bullets.

Even some gun show attendees seemed surprised at the array of weaponry.

“I don’t see how that can be legal,” one man remarked to a friend as he pointed toward a Bushmaster assault rifle — the kind of weapon used in the 2002 sniper spree that left 10 persons dead in Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia.

Under current law, it is legal.

Tougher enforcement

Eighteen months ago, Congress did not reauthorize the part of the Brady Law that banned the manufacture and sale of 19 kinds of military-style assault weapons. Now that the weapons are back on the market, authorities say they are trying to get tougher on weapons violations.

In fact, the U.S. attorney’s office in Kansas City is among the nation’s leaders for the number of federal gun law prosecutions.

But gun-safety advocates point out those prosecutions, which they applaud, are mostly for felons possessing firearms or committing a felony with one — not for violators who buy and sell firearms illegally.

In 2003, only 532 of the more than 126,000 people nationwide who lied on a background check were prosecuted, according to a study by the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation. And just 234 cases were filed for possessing or selling stolen firearms, even though 40,000 stolen guns were recovered and returned to their owners.

Still, some gun-rights advocates complain that federal law enforcement agencies are too aggressive. Last month, they persuaded a congressional subcommittee to hold hearings on the way the ATF investigated gun shows in Richmond, Va.

Gun show organizers charged that the ATF and local law enforcement scared off potential customers and racially profiled buyers. A top ATF official acknowledged that agents made some mistakes but denied any profiling and defended their tactics.

The ATF’s Michael Bouchard told lawmakers that the agency polices only about 100 of the 5,000 gun shows annually. He said the agency focused on the Richmond-area shows after discovering that hundreds of firearms purchased at the shows in a three-year period were used in crimes.

During the investigation, Bouchard said agents witnessed a “straw purchase” — where a buyer allowed to own a gun turns around and sells it to someone who is not — that led them to a street gang whose leader was involved in a murder committed with an AK-47.

Authorities said that weapon also was acquired through a straw purchase at another gun show. Background checks: How they work

■ Most background checks, which are required on all

purchases from licensed dealers, are completed within two hours, and buyers are allowed to take their gun as soon as the check

is over.

■ If the background check does not go through by the time the gun show closes, the buyer is supposed to go to the dealer’s place of business to follow up. Authorities say that does not always happen. At that point, gun transfers sometimes go on under the table, authorities say, but if an officer doesn’t witness it, it is almost impossible to prove.

■ If the background check is not completed within the mandatory three days, the dealer can go ahead with the sale. If the

background check eventually shows that the buyer is not

allowed to have a gun, it is up

to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobbaco, Firearms and Explosives to try to get the gun back. Gun show facts and figures

■ Gun shows each year in the United States: More than 5,000.

■ Guns purchased each year at shows: 100,000 to 300,000.

■ Unlicensed gun sellers at shows: Up to one-fourth, according to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives estimates.

■ Gun shows are the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations, according to the ATF.

■ States requiring background checks on the purchase of firearms at gun shows: 18. Missouri requires a permit for handgun purchases. Kansas doesn’t require a permit.

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More than

5,000

gun shows

each year in the

United States

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100,000

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300,000

guns sold

each year at shows

> What’s the

so-called “gun

show loophole”?

Licensed dealers must do background checks before selling guns. But unlicensed sellers don’t. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says up to one-fourth of gun show sellers are unlicensed and that gun shows are the second-leading source of illegal firearms recovered in gun-trafficking investigations.

> What happens in Missouri, Kansas?

Federal law requires all licensed dealers to do background checks before selling guns. In Missouri, buyers must get a permit to buy any handgun, but long guns can be bought from unlicensed dealers without a permit or background check. In Kansas, all guns may be bought from unlicensed dealers without a permit or background check. Sources: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the National Association of Arms Shows To reach Judy L. Thomas, call (816) 234-4334 or send e-mail to jthomas@kcstar.com . Sources: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the National Association of Arms Shows

© 2006 Kansas City Star and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.kansascity.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; gunshow; gunshows; rkba; secondamendment
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Typical Star..... Making a gun show the bad little nasty (constitutionally protected)hidden criminal activity that it isn't. Front page editorial is the standard of this paper.

Hopefully this liberal rag will get an editorial change after it review by the new owners....

1 posted on 03/26/2006 4:56:28 AM PST by jmq
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To: jmq

The author could have spared a whole lot of ink by just writing,"I don't know squat about guns or gun shows and I am terrified of them. I want to stampede the panicky and uninformed into agreeing with me,"

I've worked gun shows where there are lots of undercover Feds and uniformed police walking around and where most of the DEALERS AND ATTENDEES would drop a dime on you in a hot second if they thought you were selling weapons unlicensed. Nobody wants someone screwing it up for everybody else by making the leftist nitwits right.


2 posted on 03/26/2006 5:08:57 AM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: jmq
It’s just another weekend at a Kansas City gun show, where there is so much firepower at your fingertips that even some gun enthusiasts shake their heads in wonder.

What a bunch of crap.

3 posted on 03/26/2006 5:10:00 AM PST by SIDENET (Gonna shake it, gonna break it, let's forget it better still)
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To: Riley

Exactly


4 posted on 03/26/2006 5:12:54 AM PST by jmq (Islam=Religion of Peace)
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To: jmq

I wasn't aware that the SKS was a sniper rifle. I also like the part about the kid who shot someone had some friends that went to a gun show. Criminals steal guns from houses and cars during burglaries. The other three kids that got shot because they were trying to rob a drug dealer? This guy is retarded. Why don't we start outlawing lighters to prevent arson. It makes about as much sense.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 5:15:29 AM PST by willyd
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To: jmq

The problem is in enforcement & always were, & never were registration.

For some reason they never mention the "girlfriend"/marriage loophole, the homo-boyfriend/marriage loophole, or the liberal corruption & traitors "I have a law practice & I love Bill Clinton" loophole. Yep, I have seen married felons and other unprosecuted felons given the guns by judges.

A loophole is a law applied in courts, not an activity done at a show or privately in "competing harms".

Because once you have registration in place, only those going through the registration loophole will get the guns, & we all know who those hypocrite bureaucrats are.

And as far as felonies go, they can slap a felony on anyone they want to for any kind of petty offense, and remove a felony on any hard criminal or terrorist for any excuse. This is another selective gun restriction loophole, because the true loophole's not in the gunshows, but at the courthouse.

It's an effective dictatorship when the dictator does not have to make the hits himself, but instead relies on a confederacy of hitmen who get to be allowed to be corrupt in exchange.

This whole charade is a loophole on the second amendment in the first place, as it is a vote for the firm & irreversible "job security" of the establishment.

The checks and balances apply on the state which is supposed to support the American revolution & not oppose it.


6 posted on 03/26/2006 5:15:34 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jmq

The dreaded "gun show loophole". How about the dreaded criminal mind, who, just like the computer hacker has a mind full of ways around laws meant to protect the public. Instead of focusing on legal gun shows and legal law abiding citizens, gun shows are the culprit, cause you haven't got any criminal names to make an article about so you can get paid and eat. Such is the state of journalism.


7 posted on 03/26/2006 5:18:52 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: jmq
Maybe if the Left didn't go around complaining about the rights of criminals they wouldn't be on the streets going to gun shows.
8 posted on 03/26/2006 5:20:53 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: wita

Another poster in another thread once said that it was like 'trying to control drunk driving by making it harder for teetotalers to get cars', or words to that effect.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 5:21:57 AM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: jmq
A known member of Hezbollah, for example, was convicted in 2001 in a federal court in Michigan for trying to smuggle guns into Lebanon. An undercover agent saw the man buy a weapon at a gun show without a background check.

Typical of gun haters, these two sentences have nothing to do with each other.

1. Sure, the Hezbolla dude went to Michigan to buy a gun to smuggle into Lebanon.

2. If the undercover agent didn't do anything about the gun buy, was it illegal?

3. The whole article keeps saying "unlicensed seller" when the correct term is "private seller." And that statement the everybody who sells guns needs a federal license is totally false,

10 posted on 03/26/2006 5:22:34 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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"....SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets..."

Oh Judy, you ignorant slut.

Putting a scope on an SKS doesn't make it a 'sniper rifle'. Wait.. let me guess Judy, it was tricked out with a new 'scary looking' stock and maybe a bi-pod.

And Judy, any rifle larger than a .22 will pierce armor, body armor that is. So is that what you mean by 'Armor Piercing'?

Lastly JUDY, it's a M-A-G-A-Z-I-N-E, NOT a "clip".

I swear, it must be a union rule that every article about firearms be written by by some ditz reproterette. Sheesh, Judy, go back to fashion and cooking articles. Maybe you know a little about those topics.

Ps: Judy, "Machine Guns" are legal (subject to local laws), get over it.

11 posted on 03/26/2006 5:22:48 AM PST by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: jmq
Ah yes, The Kansas City Red Star. As usual,doing their very best to promote government by decree and those agencies that enjoy such abuse.

Come to Tulsa {Wannamacher's gun show, the BIG one} next weekend and meet some of the feds finest. Their table will be easy to find .
They will be the only ones there NOT having a good time.

12 posted on 03/26/2006 5:25:36 AM PST by labette (Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?)
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To: SIDENET

"It’s just another weekend at a Kansas City gun show, where there is so much firepower at your fingertips that even some gun enthusiasts shake their heads in wonder.
What a bunch of crap."

Yes, I agree with what you said about these things the anti-gun people said. When this NRA Life Member goes to a gun show and sees what they said about it being a large show I am smiling and saying myself that I'm going to have a good time today. All those ANTI's what is to become the enemy within and I will not let them in and I don't think you will either.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 5:28:09 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: jmq
Kansas City Star
14 posted on 03/26/2006 5:30:49 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Riley

Money & fiat governance Laundering 101

It's not who votes but who counts the votes (the media, nowadays)

It's not who sees but who shows a show & records the sights (again the media)

It's not who is a criminal or a government agent, but who decides in a courthouse who is a criminal and who can become the government agent.

It's not what is a loophole but what lawyers & other McCain deem or choose to be a loophole on checks & balance.

It's not the truth but who decides what the law is and which law should be more protected than the other.

It's already illegal to transfer firearms to felons & illegals, but, guess what, it's ok to have illegals around.

Thus it is criminals & the illegals abeters and not the gun shows, but again, it's whoever decides amnesty and counts the criminals, and not who is a criminal that gets to loophole & tweak all this.

As Jesus said: it would be easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for the rich & the established to go to heaven by wishing for justice on themselves as on the rest of us. Communists win amongst the wealthy (and not necessarily the capitalists) because they are a force of establishment revolution & submission submission to such and not of legitimate rebellion


15 posted on 03/26/2006 5:33:17 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jmq

It's anti-freedom articles like this that make me dream more and more that a better, freer United States, is a United States without a press.


16 posted on 03/26/2006 5:36:40 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: jmq
AK-47s. SKS sniper rifles. Armor-piercing bullets. Machine gun displays.

Lions, Tigers and Bears, Oh My !

What a wuss. I'm looking forward to the gunshow next weekend.

17 posted on 03/26/2006 5:36:47 AM PST by csvset
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To: jmq
“The ATF does not target gun shows...Marquardt said.

Liar!

18 posted on 03/26/2006 5:37:58 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: wita

Yes, they are going after the law abider who may mistakenly sell a gun in the wrong hands to a deceiving felon, but these laws do not go after the deceiving felons.

How convenient, since lawyers & bureaucrates count many felons amongst themselves who deceive successfuly all of the time. I mean, having the jobs they have with the kind of low IQ they boast is criminal.


19 posted on 03/26/2006 5:38:11 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

As Lenin or Stalin said, it's who counts the votes, not who votes. It's who counts the unacceptable deaths, not who does them.

When the recounts occured in Florida or Washington State, it is the press which counted the votes or helped Democrates count the votes.

Give a freeper 15 days of world media control & we have peace on Earth, it's a fact, but they won't allow peace & will foment hate & destruction so long they don't have the power.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 5:42:24 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: sausageseller

The key is "viable industry".

They will go at everything attacking any industry & ensuring a slow death of gun ownership.

Already, Clinton's laws have wrecked many dealers apart because of the new restrictions or mere threats of bureaucratic snafus due to complex & ambiguous laws landing good people in jail.

Gun shows of today are not what they were yesterday, they have already been gutted. Any law threatening to shut the industry is not a law but a violation of the second amendment.


21 posted on 03/26/2006 5:47:00 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: sausageseller

Reminds me of the time the KKK circulated meeting notices around Unionville in north Missouri years ago. A deputy sheriff, two FBI agents and a guy from the ATF showed up.


22 posted on 03/26/2006 5:48:03 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: JudgemAll
Give a freeper 15 days of world media control & we have peace on Earth, it's a fact, but they won't allow peace & will foment hate & destruction so long they don't have the power.

I say it would take more like a year, but other than that, I agree with you.

23 posted on 03/26/2006 5:49:31 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: SIDENET

Brazillian little folkes got major pied off when the government accused them of "getting angry at their wives" and shooting their own children, WHEN ALL ALONG THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF CORRUPT COPS, LAWYERS & THEIR GANG MEMBER FRIENDS OF CONVENIENCE IN DAILY SHOOTINGS.


24 posted on 03/26/2006 5:51:52 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: CPOSharky
"Sure, the Hezbolla dude went to Michigan to buy a gun to smuggle into Lebanon.."

LOL. I see you noticed that too. Kind of reminds me of the Randy Weaver propaganda, how he took a shotgun, shortened the tube 1/4 inch too much for those "street gangs" in California.
I guess we were supposed to believe they still had shotguns in California, but the nearest hacksaw was in Idaho.

25 posted on 03/26/2006 5:52:23 AM PST by labette (Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?)
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To: jmq
“I think the average person would be in awe at what’s all legal now,”

I'm average, maybe even a little below average, but the only thing that awes me is stupid officials with below average intelligence.

Think I'll go SHOOT some clays this morning.....

26 posted on 03/26/2006 5:57:45 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: jmq
The KC (red) Star worries about "assault rifles", yet what is an "assault rifle", exactly, except a boogyman created by the media? In reality, they are firearms that just look too intimidating, too black, or just too ugly. I doubt that the reporter was careful to understand the legal definition of what makes a legal rifle into a legal "assault" rifle. For example, I challenge the reporter to tell me which of the following is an "assault rifle" and which is not:

Not and Assault Rifle

So-called

For extra credit, exactly what feature(s) that can easily be seen tip the scale, making the otherwise legal non-assault rifle, into one that the federal government banned for 10 years?

Of course, libs love the technical points of the law when it is in their favor, but call those points "technicalities" when they are not. The above extra credit question could be rewritten as:

For extra credit, exactly that feature(s) that can be easily seen tip the scale by which the maker of a rifle that qualified to be banned is not banned?

27 posted on 03/26/2006 6:00:48 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: CPOSharky

It's disgusting in light that I know of a suspected terrorist who was handed over dozens of guns by a girlfriend. The judge knows it, lawyers know it, cops, FBI & ATF know it, but since it's a woman, hubby can't touch her for doing so.

Result is we have this gigantic feminist loophole, driven knowingly by the courts, but no one will do anything because the courts are always right & love to foment murders on the streets through criminals so as to accuse law abiding citizens of recklessness.

Count on the media to count the jury votes for us on that too.


28 posted on 03/26/2006 6:06:25 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jmq

“I don’t see how that can be legal,” one man remarked to a friend as he pointed toward a Bushmaster assault rifle — the kind of weapon used in the 2002 sniper spree that left 10 persons dead in Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia.

This statement's more loaded than the P99 in my dresser.


29 posted on 03/26/2006 6:07:09 AM PST by 03A3
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To: theBuckwheat

They are programming military terms & military mentality in the populace. Hello, we are not military government property. We don't march, we are not supposed to follow strict protocols as a unit of some lawyer, and we do not have guns specificaly made for "military assault situations".

The author in fact points out to us that we need to be able to tool our weapons we see fit, not in military terms of unit language. The citizen is not a weapon, the military assault group is.

Their language betray their S.S. Nazi pogrom weapon establishment envies.


30 posted on 03/26/2006 6:12:52 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jmq
I see the author of this article can't refrain from the use of hyperbole and misinformation.

Assault rifles were displayed for sale

Assault Rifles are selective fire. So, were these true Assault Rifles, or is Judy L. Thomas a liar?

SKS sniper rifles.

Well, considering the fact that the 7.62x39 cartridge is less than half as powerful as the .30-06, it would be pi$$ poor choice for a "sniper" rifle.

Over the last couple of years, I've seen more and more articles, in which scoped hunting rifles are referred to as "sniper rifles".

This, of course, is S.O.P. for anti-gunners. Demonize the firearm first, then scream to have it banned. (This tactic has worked - to a degree - with so-called "assault weapons".)

31 posted on 03/26/2006 6:13:41 AM PST by holymoly (Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
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To: 03A3

The racist PC cop Moose is who let that murder spree go on, he is the one who armed Louis Malvo.


32 posted on 03/26/2006 6:15:44 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jmq

More made-up crapola from the dinosaur media.


33 posted on 03/26/2006 6:17:08 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: labette

Propaganda is arming cops & criminals used conveniently and disarming citizens. It fits the bill of this article aiming to disarm the citizens & arm the cops against them while letting criminals roam untargeted.

This is a war between citizens & lawyers, journalists, leftist preachers & the gov, and the criminals get a pass... "domestic violence" propaganda language works very well to make this happen.


34 posted on 03/26/2006 6:19:00 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: JudgemAll

Looks like Bush's ATF has continued where Clinton's AFT left off.


35 posted on 03/26/2006 6:19:31 AM PST by Modok
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To: theBuckwheat
...yet what is an "assault rifle", exactly, except a boogyman created by the media? In reality, they are firearms that just look too intimidating, too black, or just too ugly.

To the liberal, anti-gun media, yes.

However, both the term "Assault Rifle", and it's definition, come from the German "Sturmgewehr".

Assault Rifle

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.

- Encyclopedia Britannica


36 posted on 03/26/2006 6:20:08 AM PST by holymoly (Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
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To: theBuckwheat

Thanks to the CA senators (combined IQ of ??), assualt weapon now equals ugly gun.


37 posted on 03/26/2006 6:21:29 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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To: Condor51

Notice, as I'm sure you did, she also had to throw in a little silencer comment as well, also a legal item.


38 posted on 03/26/2006 6:21:41 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: CPOSharky

And thanks to the media, a sniper rifle is anything with a scope sightr that can hit a human sized target at 50 yards. (IOW, anything with a scope.)


39 posted on 03/26/2006 6:25:45 AM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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To: holymoly

The military thinks in terms of fit of weapon. Whether it is an assault rifle or a battle rifle is purely for form of attack & usage for a commander. It is irrelevant in the civilian sector. In fact military "style" rifles are a hindrance for the optimum civilian defense concept.

The civilian is allowed industry & tooling of firearms to its modes.

Tomorrow the NRA could pool a bunch of engineering & shooter enthusiasts & pull up the "civilian rifle", and it'd be far more lethal than those "assault rifles" because optimaly designed for our personal usage.

If that's what they want, then I'm all for it.


40 posted on 03/26/2006 6:27:07 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: JudgemAll
No argument from me on that point, JudgemAll.

Mao supposedly once said, "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun. That gun must never slip from the grasp of the Communist Party."

It would seem our opponents understand this.

41 posted on 03/26/2006 6:31:55 AM PST by labette (Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?)
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To: g'nad; Overtaxed

An amusing read from our, as always, amusing Kansas City RED Star. Remember April 15 is National Buy A Gun Day.


42 posted on 03/26/2006 6:35:47 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; Lion Den Dan; sit-rep

This article has the blood flowing this morning. I think I will go out this afternoon and give myself a good reason to clean a gun or three. Maybe dig the trap out and kill a few clays.


43 posted on 03/26/2006 6:38:54 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: CPOSharky
A known member of Hezbollah, for example, was convicted in 2001 in a federal court in Michigan for trying to smuggle guns into Lebanon. An undercover agent saw the man buy a weapon at a gun show without a background check.

This is the jewel in the crown of the "US Gun shows supply terrorists" - yet I'm not even sure that it was established that Ali Boumelhem, although not a model citizen, was an actul Hezbollah member.

As for the case, it was a Customs case, the defendent attempted to ship a forty foot freight container of autro parts that was also found to contain

Customs agents discovered, hidden in a car door, (1) twelve boxes of nine millimeter ammunition, (2) three boxes of 7.65 millimeter ammunition, (3) a Remington twelve-gauge shotgun, (4) an upper receiver for an M-16 or AR-15 assault rifle, (5) hand grips for the barrel of an AR-15, (6) flash suppressors, (7) a butt stock assembly for an M-16 or AR-15, (8) and some speed loaders. Custom agents also discovered another twelve-gauge shotgun , along with a two-way radio, in a shopping bag that had been wrapped in a shirt.
This seizure of a couple of shotguns and a few hundred rounds of handgun ammunnition ended the major source of supply of arms to Middle East terrorists.
44 posted on 03/26/2006 6:51:35 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Have a beer (Offer not vaild in Canada)
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To: holymoly
The term "assault rifle" is an ideo-political term that was coined by hoplophobic gun-grabbers as a means of seizing the moral high ground and justifying their positions.

I would doubt that in the last 10 years that a single story in the MSM that used the term "assault weapon" used it with the real definition that you cited. It just means a gun that looks like it could do bad things.

Recall the principle that the party who defines the meaning of words in a debate controls the debate itself. Libs have turned this fancy way of telling a lie into an art form.
45 posted on 03/26/2006 6:53:39 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: wita
***Notice, as I'm sure you did, she also had to throw in a little silencer comment as well, also a legal item.***

Actually no. I was was irate by this ditz I overlooked that whole idiotic book-pamphlet sentence. However as to silencers, where I did see a way 'to make' one was on TV, CSI to be exact. An empty plastic soda/water bottle. That's much better than the old and messy potato silencer.

In any case, why would a 'reporter' take exception to books and/or pamphlets? I guess the 1st Amendment and Freedom Of The Press was meant only for her and her ilk. /s

46 posted on 03/26/2006 7:04:43 AM PST by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: jmq
The idea that street thugs get their firearms at gun shows is worse than laughable, it is insulting to the good and law-abiding Americans who do frequent gun shows.

This article reeks.

47 posted on 03/26/2006 7:08:56 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: jmq
The semi-auto version of the AR is NOT an "assault rifle".

If you attempted to assault a well-defended position with that gun, I think it would be most likely suicide.

And don't tell me that the "sole purpose" of that gun is "to kill large numbers of people". Great PR by the gun makers, but that round isn't that powerful, it is designed to wound, rather than kill. It is barely powerful enough to kill an 80 pound deer with, and then, even with a very accurate shot. As our armed forces report time and time again, it is just not a great killing round.

The best use for that gun is as a fairly accurate target shooter, in my humble opinion.

As such, a more accurate term for an AR-15 semi-auto is "Sporting Rifle".
48 posted on 03/26/2006 7:09:44 AM PST by Fido969 (It's all about ME)
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To: jmq

--bttt-


49 posted on 03/26/2006 7:14:09 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: theBuckwheat
I think you're mixing up "assault rifle" - a very real term, with a very real defintion - with "assault weapon", which, as you state, was dreamed up by anti-gun zealots (to demonize any gun they don't like).

Recall the principle that the party who defines the meaning of words in a debate controls the debate itself. Libs have turned this fancy way of telling a lie into an art form.

Exactly.

IMO That's why the lefts' hypberbole and propaganda must be exposed and corrected. E.G. Any time the leftist-liberal media refers to a semi-automatic rifle, such as the SKS, as an "assault rifle", the error (lie?) should be pointed out, and corrected.

50 posted on 03/26/2006 7:14:17 AM PST by holymoly (Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
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