Skip to comments.Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
Posted on 11/21/2001 6:50:27 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick. The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.
This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially conditioned and oppressive. Heterosexual society and family are being ravaged. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed us. We don´t even know we are at war.
Let´s decide whom, in fact, is sick.
Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s(1989).
In Chapter Six, they outline ten categories of misbehavior, drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle, not gay sexuality mind you, is the pits. They want gays to improve their image by addressing what is wrong with a lot of gays. (276)
What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.
The authors say a surprisingly high percentage of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.
They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to If it feels good, I´ll do it! If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of sexual freedom and the friend be damned.
They say gays suffer from a narcissistic personality disorder and they give this clinical description: pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.
As an example of this narcissism, the authors say a very sizable proportion of gay men who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.
They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such forbidden aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.
They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.
Many gays are single minded sexual predators fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are the real queerbashers. Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long. They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The cheating ratio of married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.
Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.
The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays. I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better and I don´t want it to spread.
Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is the pits. Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.
The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that our problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights. The book details a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:
Desensitization: flooding straight America with advertising presenting gays in the least offensive manner possible.
Jamming: Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks and women.
Conversion: Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. The image must be the icon of normality.
They say it makes no difference that the ads are lies because we are using them to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies.
This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:
By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the American Way of Life [than subversion] We mean conversion of the average American´s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean to turn their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not. (153)
Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks, bathrooms or classrooms.
It is a measure of the authors´ cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in People of the Lie characterizes people who suffer from malignant narcissism simply as evil.
Evil people, Peck says, have an unshakable will to be right and will not consider the possibility that they are wrong Their main weapon, interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good to themselves, and to confuse others. (297)
Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us not. Some of these people are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it´s contagious.
Maybe YOU need to look at the facts. Up until the mid 1960's homosexuality WAS listed as a sickness, a perversion of a deviant mind. It was a "scientific book" by a known homosexual and pediphiliac that was pushed by the pro-homosexual crowd that browbeat the APA into removing it from the list of abnormal behavior.
My point is that just because the APA (which recently published a paper claiming that pediphelia was not harmful to children and was in fact, GOOD for them) says it is so, doesn't mean it is true.
Just because you call it a giraffe doesn't turn a horse into a giraffe.
Such a classic and correct response that I thought it should be posted again. Thanks for your eloquent response.
I'm unfamiliar with the Bible. Could you sum this?
Most dictionaries will tell you the word's most often used in connection with the divine, and most especially with places, things, and acts set apart, reserved for the service, use, or worship of a god.
I happen to believe that human intercourse is sacred because it's reserved for the transmission of life, in the context of a marital union, an act of cooperation with God's creation (the fact that this sacred reservation is often violated doesn't vitiate it). And yes, it's frequently great fun.
If the hypothesis is correct, normalizing it would expand the behavior, causing healthy specimens to be destroyed as well.
The fact that it's ticking off the pro-homo cheerleaders is an excellent argument for keeping it though! ;-)
Especially crap from Makow.
From an Amazon.com review of his book A Long Way to Go for a Date:
"The story comes unwound by the second half of the book. Makow, after convincing the reader of the legitimacy of his mission, comes off as particularly unlikable as he continuously bullies and manipulates his 18 year old fiancee/wife in petty arguments. He is chauvinistic to a fault. When she herself proves to be just as selfish and immature, one can hardly blame her. After all, she has the excuse of being a teenager. For all his advantage of wealth, age, and education, Makow is eventually subdued and humiliated by his child-bride.
This is unfortunate. It is a simple fact that thousands of Western men like myself have found true fulfillment in romance and marriage with Asian women through experiencing the beauty and synchronicity of cross-cultural romance. The author foolishly marries an immature teenager yet seems genuinely upset with her when she begins acting like one. Makow's book, though at times insightful, reveals him to be a poor specimen of Western male and a poor spokesperson for those of us who have found real love and fulfillment in a foreign land. "
You know what, only you could glean that kind of foul analogy from my point, what part of normal man/woman relationship didn't you understand? Still frequenting the sodomy threads to justify your brothers filthy perversion I see?
It seems unlikely that such a percentage could be indoctrinated into such a perverse mindset, but, then again, it also seems unlikely that you could get a nation to sit idly by while the government sent people to death camps.
Remove the moral constraints from such sexual deviations, teach pubescent males that such behavior is acceptable, and, yes, I believe you will see an increase in homosexual activity (and all of the social pathologies that come along with it). Don't bother asking if I think this could have happened to me as I was raised in a society that celebrated America's Judeo-Christian moral heritage and would have been largely immune from the perverse indoctrination programs that our children are currently subjected to.
This nation's Judeo-Christian moral foundations have served us well thus far. Only the foolish and the perverse would suggest abandoning them now.
So, when people suggest that we must defend our Constitution against the intrusion of increased Federal power, it is your belief that they believe the goals and rights enshrined in the Constitution are wrong and not because there really is a threat?
I believe this piece of anti-Christian doggerel can be tossed on the heap with all the rest.
"Reputable" = submits to peer pressure about what a psychologist is supposed to believe.
One very reputable psychologist (I have forgotten his name) did some research on ex-homosexuals and concluded that they were indeed former homosexuals who were now completely heterosexual. He was surprised by the findings - he expected to find something else. So he asked the APA if he could have a forum to discuss his results. They denied him and he is now a non-"reputable" psychologist.
Sticking that word "reputable" in your statement showed your true colors, GW.
Why do you think Jews and Muslims don't eat pork? Most likely because many became ill or died when they ate tainted or uncooked pork. It may not be relevant today, but it still exists.
On the other hand why was homosexuality taboo? Could it be because of the numerous diseases associated with anal intercourse?
Why is beastiality taboo? Because of syphillis and other diseases associated with it - Take pedophila or incest - Why are they taboo? Could it have to do with the resultant consequences of that type of activity?
In my opinion - and I'm not being judgmental here - The next taboos to fall are pedophillia and beastiality - We're already seeing that in some of the more "fashionable" advertising....
I'm not sure this is on topic, and maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but I am totally dedicated to Jesus Christ and I have complete confidence in Him. I would tell anyone who will listen that He is The Way, The Truth, and The Life and the only way to receive abundant life is through Him. On the other hand, I don't feel threatened when people disagree. If they don't want to believe me, that's their problem, unless they are a friend about whom I care very much.
Similarly, I would tell anyone that the sun comes up every morning. But if some idiot told me it didn't, I'd let him enjoy his fantasy world. Would it be my place to disabuse him?
The only people who are able to tunnel their vision around these observable and unarguable truths are homosexuals and idiots. Homosexuality is and always has been, in every civilization on the planet past and present, uniformly denounced and that denunciation is part of the wisdom of the race along with the nature of women and men.
Homosexuality is simply mental sickness, an identity crisis. To think otherwise, socially, is equivilent to, individually, deciding you can fly and jumping off a cliff. The fall is the epitome of freedom itself, until the bottom arrives.
Rubbish. You're proposing a definition so broad and slack that, at bottom, all it really means is "important, only in a deeply meaningful way that I nevertheless find impossible to express". This is high school romanticism -- and public high school at that. You might as well say that hunger's too important a concept to be limited to food, or wind too important to be circumscribed by an awareness of air.
The sense of sacredness cannot be severed from the concept of the divine without its meaning evaporating altogether. It can't be done.
Let me remind you that this discussion was started when you tossed off a wisecrack about the Church being anti-sex because it's fun. What makes you such an authority on what the Church teaches anyway? I ask only for information.
You may have me there!
Homosexuality is like smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, certain sexual fetishes, or other unhealthy behavior. The people who engage in these behaviors either think that what they do is perfectly normal, or they have no way to stop doing what they are doing. Because homosexual activity is so emotionally based, it requires more intensive therapy to change the behavior.
Regarding the APA, Time Magazine, back in the early 1970s, reported on the gay activists demonstrating outside of the APA's meeting, which got violent. It was through threats, not any scientific research, which got the APA to take the behavior off of its abnormal list. Look at all of the so-called studies in recent years - none of them state they show conclusively that homosexuality is genetic, and none of the favorable ones have come even close to being duplicated by other researchers. But you wouldn't know that from the media and the activists.
Without getting too much into Catholic theology regarding human sexuality, all of our body parts perform basic biological functions. The human behind is used for removing waste from our bodies. It is not built for intercourse, and is greatly harmed by those who engage in placing things there. Other body parts give pleasure as well, but, again, that's not allowed, either (Catholic theology coming into play). How anyone could say homosexual activity is anything but abnormal, I'll never know.
From your post I have no idea what side of this issue you are taking, but this statement is wisdom.
Some are and some aren't. Some of Gods commands existed before they were given to Jews.
So are we saying those are all antiquated now?
No, but as those of us who know the Bible can tell you, the only aspects of the Judaic law that are binding on the Christian are those involving sexual morality.
Technically, no aspects of Judaic law apply. Realistically, when one knows God through Christ he will find it difficult to violate the 10 commandments as laid out in the old testament and further amplified and expanded by Jesus in the new testament.
As I said above, there were other laws and commandments that existed before the Jews and were practiced by the early church.
By the way, what exactly does the Bible say about homosexuality?
It calls it an abomination.
Homosexual sex is a sin. But so is heterosexual sex outside of marriage. And so is lusting after other woman (or men) when you're married. The point being that everyone sins. It's part of human nature to sin. All sin is the same in Gods eye. Any sin makes us unworthy of God.
If you two really want to discuss belief, go to this thread:
I guarantee you'll find people to agree and disagree with.
The problem in-a-nutshell is... In this life even if you don't try to fly, the bottom arrives anyway. Nobody escapes the bottom.
But few want it to come so quickly and so messy.
Which is why decent people must condemn the homosexual lifestyle. Nothing good can come from such poisonous weeds.
Oh no, are you one of those guys that actually bought into the idea that God destroyed Sodom because they were inhospitable! LOL!
Pardon me if I find your touching and clearly deep concern for homosexuals absurd, as they push the homosexual agenda into the public schools and continue to attack the Boy Scouts, among other outrages from this tiny group of perverts.
Your angry anti-Christianity speaks for itself.
Christians consider the bible the Word of God and the naming of homosexual behavior as an abomination was from God, not man. Your casual, sneering rejection of that fact is offensive and no, for that you are not 'pardoned'.
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