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Running down a footnote to assassination
Ventura County Star ^
| 11-23-2003
| Colleen Cason
Posted on 11/30/2003 10:28:12 PM PST by whammerjammer
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Not to clear.
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posted on
12/01/2003 10:59:37 AM PST
by
Az Joe
To: whammerjammer; All
62
posted on
12/01/2003 11:04:20 AM PST
by
Tares
To: AppyPappy
How about the odds of someone looking at the window where Oswald was spotted?The odds of that are rather remote as well. As someone has already pointed out, the witness somehow was able to determine Oswald's height and weight as well. This person was supposedly standing in front of the building and looking almost straight up at the 6th floor of the TSBD. It was supposedly on the basis of his report that a police call went out for the arrest of Oswald almost immediately after the shots were fired. This alleged source of how Oswald was originally identified as a suspect has actually been a source of more conspiracy theories.
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posted on
12/01/2003 11:07:03 AM PST
by
lasereye
To: chuckwalla
What kind of assassin shoots then hangs around looking out the same window so people can see him? The picture was taken only seconds after the last shot, and Oswald most likely took a quick glance out the window to observe the chaos he had caused. He really didn't appear to be very bright to me, and this confirms it.
Also I can't tell if that is LHO or anyone else and I don't see how you can.
Take a look at Oswald's left eye in this picture (right as we see it) and notice how it slopes downward:
The face in the window does exactly the same thing. That is not a common feature in people. Besides, it just looks like him.
To: Reaganwuzthebest
Why don't we see the rifle in his hands then?
Why were his fingerprints not the rifle and no gloves were found in the building?
The only print was found under the barrel after taking the gun apart.
The real shooter used gloves which wiped the rifle clean.
So he is smart enough to use gloves and hide them perfectly yet hangs around and looks out the window where he just shot so people can see him? Why isn't the window open?
Looks to me as if an innocent person is just loking out the window.
Wouldn't a shooter have crouched just a little instead of standing erect? Or even stand just a little back to avoid being seen?
To: chuckwalla
Why isn't the window open? The man in the window is standing right next to the open window that the shots came from. He simply stood up when he was done, moved two or three feet and looked out the closed window.
The photo itself is not in dispute, it was taken by Tom Dillard seconds after the final shot. I'm not debating whether Oswald acted alone, or even that he was by himself on the sixth floor, only that it is him in the window, which means he was not a patsy and had something to do with it.
Some witnesses saw Oswald up there with a black man, and I still believe the magic bullet theory is not believable and there was a shooter or more on the knoll.
To: Reaganwuzthebest
Still, did he put the rifle down, take a look, pick the rifle up again before hiding it and taking his gloves off and hiding them so effectively that no-one has found them yet the rifle was found behind some boxes, then walk down the four floors to the lunch room without being at all winded and then calmly talking to the police officer.
Why hide the gloves so effectively and not hide the rifle so it couldn't be found?
Why wasn't a gun powder residue performed on LHO after he died to confirm he did fire something?
To: chuckwalla
Why wasn't a gun powder residue performed on LHO after he died to confirm he did fire something? Gun residue was found on Oswald's hands I believe, but not his face.
As far as his not being tired after running down 4 flights of stairs... that was always something that struck me as being odd as well. But somehow he did it, or pretended to because I can't see how the picture is lying. It really looks like him to me, but I guess it's a matter of opinion.
To: Tares
Bump for reading list
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posted on
12/01/2003 1:38:05 PM PST
by
Ignatz
(Helping people be more like me since 1960)
To: Ignatz
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posted on
12/01/2003 3:38:04 PM PST
by
archy
(Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Now, the subject of echoes is raised.
Echoes did not form part of Fleidermaus' argument, even his second shot at it.
He relies purely on psychological factors, especially the primacy of sight, to fool peole into thinking that they hear a sound coming from an incorrect direction.
I'm not persuaded by his line of thought, as it contrary to my own lived experience.
However, echoes are quite another matter. They can create almost indecipherable confusion. Actally it is echoes that make it difficult to locate a cricket in a room, an example he used, but did not adequately explain.
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posted on
12/01/2003 3:38:39 PM PST
by
John Valentine
("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
To: Tares
Let me know of any others not on the list. See post #70. There's a new one there for you.
Nice compilation. You've got a resource there well worth bookmarking on its own merits.
-archy-/-
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posted on
12/01/2003 3:41:10 PM PST
by
archy
(Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
To: Charles Martel
The arrow indicates the "dent" in the limousine's windshield top chrome molding. The angle of the photograph makes it tough to tell for sure, but it looks like a missed shot from the front penetrated there, bending the metal out and to the rear. That's the maddening thing about this topic; the actual evidence is either missing, destroyed, sealed away or obfuscated. The questions are never answered, and likely never will be.
Possibly. Could also be bullet jacket damage from a shot from behind. Or maybe it's more *magic bullet* damage.
-archy-/-
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posted on
12/01/2003 3:46:50 PM PST
by
archy
(Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
To: lasereye
When you look at a plane that's a mile up, the difference in location between where it was when it first was in earshot and where it is when you look up is only a slight turn of the head. So your analogy makes no sense.It does in the context of brain activity and perception which is why I brought it up.
Directional sound bouncing off concrete and buildings, things moving, brain perception, chaos, people looking all over and pointing in every direction, and a film that clearly shows JFK's head blowing up after being shot in the back of his skull, Connelly and his wife being thrust forward from the shots, etc. Too much evidence to buy into the they "it sounded like it came from the grassy knoll" theories.
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posted on
12/02/2003 12:07:58 AM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
To: archy
DOH...Zapruder! Hey, I was close and it was late! ;-)
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posted on
12/02/2003 12:08:43 AM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
To: Fledermaus; ntnychik
DOH...Zapruder! Hey, I was close and it was late! ;-) Okay, okay, just as long as it wasn't the Macgyver film....
[ntnychik, see post #62....]
The events in Dallas were also the subject of an 2-hour episode of the TV show Quantum Leap [Fifth season opener] in which *Sam* the protagonist *jumps* back in time into various characters' bodies and circumstances, some historically well known, some obscure. But without spoiling, I bet you can figure who and where he was on that day in Dallas....Oh, boy...
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posted on
12/02/2003 1:23:59 AM PST
by
archy
(Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
To: Timesink
Of course succession worked. What I was talking about was the possibility that a President was removed, in essence, by a coup. That's not in the Constitution.
To: chuckwalla
How about the "knoll" itself? Concrete wall, wooden fence and trees would also reflect sound waves.
To: John Valentine
If you actually look at the records of interviews done at the time, the vast majority of witnesses thought the shots came from the direction of the School Book Depository, not the grassy knoll.
To: archy
See post #70. There's a new one there for you. Added. Please ping me if you come across any new assassination threads. Thanks.
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posted on
12/02/2003 7:39:13 AM PST
by
Tares
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