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MSNBC's "Imus In The Morning," 2/3/04 (Excerpt from RNC Research w/Sen McCain interview) MUST READ
Republican National Committee ^ | Feb 3, 2004 | RNC Research

Posted on 02/03/2004 8:40:05 AM PST by PhiKapMom

THEY SAID IT!

RNC RESEARCH
February 3, 2004

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MSNBC's "Imus In The Morning," 2/3/04

DON IMUS: So Senator Kerry, sort of, subtly brought up yesterday, and I guess apparently Terry McAuliffe, who came from under some rock some place probably -- but anyway, they brought up this question about the president's military service and whether, in fact, there was -- whether he was AWOL from the Alabama National Guard. Are those appropriate questions, and should the president answer those questions and clear this up?

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ): That issue came up in the last election cycle. I think they were responded to. If this turns into a nasty campaign, clearly they have to respond to it. But, look, I believe that service in the National Guard is honorable service. There are thousands and thousands of National Guardsmen and women who are in Iraq as we speak, and so to somehow denigrate service in the National Guard is totally inappropriate, and I think there would be a backlash to it if they pursued that.

IMUS: I don't think they're doing that. I think what they're -- the question is, it's fine to be in the National Guard if you go to the meetings. I don't think he went to the meetings. I think that's the charge.

MCCAIN: Well, but that charge was never proven, and again, it was brought up in the primary that President Bush and I were in. I never pursued it. I never asked questions, but there were questions asked by the media about it. I don't know. You know, all is fair in love and war, and maybe they'll have to answer those questions again. But everything I know is that President Bush served honorably in the National Guard, and if you're going to make an allegation that somebody didn't, you better have some pretty good proof besides just throwing it out there. You see my point?

IMUS: Sort of.

MCCAIN: Well, look, I mean, you can accuse anybody of anything. But the burden of proof is on the person who is making the accusation.

IMUS: Well, that's not the way it works. You know that. That's not the way it works.

MCCAIN: Look, I know that President Bush has a record of honorable service during the Vietnam War in the National Guard where he also went through pilot training and flew a rather difficult airplane to fly and did well. And that's what I know about his service, and I will believe that until somebody proves otherwise. I mean, you can't say that you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

IMUS: I've always said that he went to enough meetings to learn how to fly one of those planes.

MCCAIN: Yes. And it's a difficult airplane to fly.

IMUS: But if he got transferred to the Alabama National Guard for some reason and then didn't show up for any of those meetings, I don't think...

MCCAIN: But, see, I don't know that that's the case.

IMUS: If you don't know that that's the case, that means it's never cleared up then.

MCCAIN: Everything that I've heard -- every bit of information I've ever heard, I never got into it because I wasn't that interested, is that he served honorably and well. And I assume that to be the case.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ang; awol; deserter; gwb2004; honorable; imus; interview; mccain; presbush; senmccain; transcript
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Senator John McCain stood up to Imus on this one! Imus comments that proof of an allegation is not on the accuser because "it doesn't work that way" speaks volumes to me.

Clintons are behind the resurfacing and using their friends in the press to spread the allegations that are without fact. IMO, the Clintons are running this DemocRAT primary for the sole purpose of trashing Pres Bush during the primary season. Kerry was annointed by the Clintons and why the convention was put in Boston. Dean came in and upset plans, so they first jumped on the Edwards bandwagon and got Clark in the race as a new face and in the process started their work in taking out Dean. It worked and after today, would expect Kerry to be carrying the banner for the RATs even stronger. The RAT candidates won't be dropping out so that the race can continue on and the bashing for Pres Bush continue by all the RAT candidates.

IMHO, the DemocRAT Primary is nothing but a farce -- light bulb came on last night that this whole RAT primary has been a farce with the sole intent to destroy Pres Bush's numbers and his credibility during the RAT Primary season. It was and has been orchestrated by the Clintons because Clintonites are involved in all the major candidate campaigns.

BTW -- the bold is mine.

1 posted on 02/03/2004 8:40:09 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: MeekOneGOP; onyx; My2Cents; JohnHuang2; Dog Gone; Dog; isthisnickcool; OKSooner; VOA; mhking; ...
If you would like on or off this Bush-Cheney ping list, please let me know!

PKM

2 posted on 02/03/2004 8:42:28 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom
Imus is a dirtbag. His sensibilities are indistingishable from his butt buddies, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman. I heard some of this interview. Imus is part of the Cheney-Rumsfeld are evil crowd. Bush is a nice guy taking evil advice from liars. That's their premise. But ulimately, Imus is trying to sell advertising. Nothing more.
3 posted on 02/03/2004 8:44:40 AM PST by Huck
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To: PhiKapMom
I thought this crap was disproved already. Am I wrong?
4 posted on 02/03/2004 8:46:13 AM PST by international american (50 days till age 50)
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To: Huck
Glad for the report on the interview. Dirtbag works for me!
5 posted on 02/03/2004 8:47:43 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks for the ping......Glad to see McCain stand up for "W". It's time for unity not divisiveness.
6 posted on 02/03/2004 8:48:54 AM PST by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: PhiKapMom
When is Imus's wife going to leave him for Kasey Kaseem or Paul Harvey?
7 posted on 02/03/2004 8:50:01 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: international american
Yes, even the NY Times proved it wrong. Total garbage. Let Kerry pick on Bush's record as a fighter pilot. Bush can pick on Kerry's record of voting to cut the B-1, the B-2, the Apache, the F-14, etc.

8 posted on 02/03/2004 8:50:43 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: international american
You are right -- it was disproved already and here is the AP report that just came out with the White House response. Gloves are off! Clark is more of a Clymer then I previously thought after reading this. Maybe the WH should be asking why Clark he was fired or why he wanted to start WWIII with the Russians by bombing them.

White House Strikes Back at Critics

By TERENCE HUNT
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House struck back Tuesday at Democratic critics questioning President Bush's record of military service, saying the issue ``represents the worst of election-year politics.''

``It is outrageous and baseless,'' presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said in response to suggestions that Bush shirked his military duties when he was in the Texas Air National Guard in 1972.

Military service has emerged as an issue in the campaign for the White House. Sen. John Kerry, the front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark are decorated veterans and remind campaign audiences of their service.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said Bush was ``AWOL'' during the Vietnam conflict, while former Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia has criticized Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard. Clark has criticized Bush for his remark challenging enemy forces to ``bring 'em on'' earlier in postwar Iraq.

Bush was a pilot in the Texas guard during Vietnam but never flew in battle. ``Only someone who hasn't seen war firsthand would ever say anything as fatuous as 'bring 'em on,''' Clark said earlier in the campaign.

Responding to Bush's critics, McClellan said: ``The president fulfilled his duties. That's why he was honorably discharged.'' ``These kinds of attacks have no place in politics, and everyone should condemn them,'' McClellan said. 02/03/04 11:33 EST

9 posted on 02/03/2004 8:51:32 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom; cyncooper
Good for McCain!
10 posted on 02/03/2004 8:51:49 AM PST by EllaMinnow (If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
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To: Huck
Imus is a grumpy old dried up prune, who loves to dish it out but doesn't like it to be dished out to him

I can not stand him.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 8:52:16 AM PST by JFC
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To: hoosiermama
Must admit I was surprised, but it certainly works for me! You are so right that unity is exactly what is needed!
12 posted on 02/03/2004 8:52:38 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Huck
His sensibilities are indistingishable from his butt buddies, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman.

I would agree and add it's not clear he can think logically on his own. You might want to also add Mo Dowd, Eric Alderman and the NYT to the list of his butt buddies.
13 posted on 02/03/2004 8:52:59 AM PST by pt17
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To: PhiKapMom
I thought Imus could read, but I guess not. There is a Times article debunking this whole thing. A Google search using " Bush Times AWOL" turns up plenty of references.

If Imus is too lame to even do a Google search before openinng his mouth and misinforming everyone why should we listen to his sorry excuse for a show? Isn't he supposed to be drawing disability or something?
14 posted on 02/03/2004 8:54:05 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Senator John McCain stood up to Imus on this one!

Thats the way it looks on the surface, but this:

IMUS: If you don't know that that's the case, that means it's never cleared up then.

MCCAIN: Everything that I've heard -- every bit of information I've ever heard, I never got into it because I wasn't that interested, is that he served honorably and well. And I assume that to be the case.

is probably going to leave more doubt in some people's minds.

15 posted on 02/03/2004 8:54:12 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: PhiKapMom
The Clintons are aligned with every Rat candidate, on that I agree......Imus is an idiot....referring to the Guard's monthly duty as *meetings*...
16 posted on 02/03/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by mystery-ak (*terrorism has been exaggerated*....Kerry....We must defeat him, our lives depend on it.)
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To: JFC
I actually like Imus. I don't always agree with him and sometimes the show drives me crazy and I have to turn the channel. But I think he conducts very good interviews and they are worth wading through the junk.
17 posted on 02/03/2004 8:54:48 AM PST by twigs
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To: finnman69
This is to the RNC guys that I know must be reading FR regularly: Set up tv spots with lurch saying "The threat of terrorism is exaggerated." while you show headlines about airline cancellations and bio attacks on the capital.
lurch is dead meat once the real election starts. Right now all he's winning are elections with other rats in them. These are the only elections he can win.
18 posted on 02/03/2004 8:55:19 AM PST by jmaroneps37 ( lurch is dukakis with the eyebrows hacked off. That's the only difference.)
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To: international american
Like McCain said, "guilty until proven innocent . . ." though not the way it is suppose to work that is the way stupid, government educated school people see it. Just like the USA Today's headline in large print today: Kerry Leads Bush in Latest Poll. What they fail to tell you is WHERE the people live that lead to this result. I can call 500 people in some liberal hell hole and get 95-5% against Bush. Yet, call some conservative town in Wyoming or Colorado and get Bush ahead 65-25%. So, it is where these liberals are conducting the polls that get the result they want. USA Today is totally leftist, liberal, slime.
19 posted on 02/03/2004 8:55:28 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: Huck; PhiKapMom
If you listen to Imus on a regular basis, you'll understand that Imus had been a supporter of Bush and a supporter of the war in Iraq from Day 1. But he was always at odds with his sidekick Bernard McGuirk, who took a very hands-off approach with Iraq (similar to what Pat Buchanan would have said about the war).

Once it became clear that these "weapons of mass destruction" would never be found in Iraq, Imus realized that what McGuirk had been saying for the last year was correct, and I'm sure he's felt very betrayed by the Bush administration. I don't feel the same sense of betrayal, for the same reason that Bernie McGuirk doesn't -- we never bought into the WMD crap in the first place.

20 posted on 02/03/2004 8:56:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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