Posted on 03/09/2004 5:35:30 PM PST by Beck_isright
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:22:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Among those who apparently didn't listen to the 43-year-old unemployed woman whose recorded message was posted online last week by The Republic were Arizona's Jon Kyl and John McCain, along with 24 of their Senate colleagues, all of them collecting fat government paychecks.
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You are assuming that there is an American right to those jobs. The fact is that those jobs are the property of the employer.
Truly - and with the demos having a veritable 'lock' on that 'technology' too, we're not likely to see a change!
>AND the alternative is .... government control?
>GIVE ME A BREAK!
>YOU want POLITICIANS in charge of TRADE?
You have drunk deeply of the CEO concocted koolaid. The govt IS ALREADY VERY involved in controlling trade. Outsourcing couldnt work as the natural outcome of truly free markets. It only works because govts have coordinated their policies to make it profitable.
And actually it's a myth that blacksmiths were put out of work. It's actually still a viable job -- a self-employment kind of job that actually could keep you afloat --- not like most. A blacksmith can get $50 an hour if he's good and its a job that isn't easily outsourced.
The guy in the article was using the word "starve" in a rhetorical sense. He likely knows, as most of us do, that few people in America will starve anytime soon. However, the problem he faces is the same as that which many of us have faced. We've worked very hard training for jobs that are disappearing faster than we can train for the next one. America has plenty of food. We won't starve. We probably won't be homeless. Unfortunately, many of us face or have faced having to move into our parents homes and live on minimum wages for as far into the future as we can see. That future looks very bleak.
Another issue is that many of the jobs being lost couldn't have been exported without the American taxpayer being forced to subsidize the infrastructure that made moving the job profitable. It's one thing if a company goes into a completely unimproved land and builds everything from scratch. If the company pays for all of the roads and other infrastructure needed to establish their business elsewhere, at least the jobs have been lost in straightforward competition. However, many of these places wouldn't be in a position to take this manufacturing if foreign aid from America hadn't been building the infrastructure for years. Many of these places wouldn't have the stability to make moving an acceptable risk if the American taxpayer hadn't been footing the bill for a military that has fought those who would destroy everything that anyone tried to build. Many of these places couldn't sustain a population now without foreign aid from America.
While the American market still has the strength to make demands, we should demand that those who would take our manufacturing jobs return the costs that the American taxpayer has incurred in making these foreign lands the kinds of places where anything could be manufactured. We should demand that there be no more foreign aid. If the result is that companies can't ship jobs around the world without the tax support of the little guy trying to make ends meet with a less rewarding job than he once had, then companies should face the choice of losing that support or bringing the jobs back to America.
WFTR
Bill
Why not?
This is almost like reverse (or non) logic day!
I, for one, would like some illumination of this:
"Outsourcing couldnt work as the natural outcome of truly free markets."
and this:
"It only works because govts have coordinated their policies to make it profitable."
IOW - say what?
I don't mean to imply that Indian or Chinese call centers can't fill a more involved role, far from it. They are fast learners and are motivated to work hard and cheaply. We are going to have to keep up our end of the rope or we will be pulled into the mud. I think a relaxation of the restrictive laws and regulations on US labor would go a long way toward free trade, and also applying whatever standards we agree to on the foreign markets for US goods. I don't see the fair trade here. Maybe it's just me.
Woah!. That is exactly what created the IT boom. What did you mean by that statement?
As you well know that treaty took 50,000 pages to define so called free trade.
I don't think your read my post very carefully.
I read your entire post very carefully which is why I simply presented you with the actual statistics above from the Dept. of Labor.
Why don't you go look up what the consumer price index includes and how it is figured and then compare it to what the middle class and lower people have to spend to maintain their lives. I gave a very precise example from my own life, and everyone I know concurs that their situations are similar.
So you think that your person budget and the people you personally have talked to present more accurate statistics than those provided by the Department of Labor.
You've got to be kidding.
According to you, if you and all of your friends are layed off that therefore makes the unemployment rate 100%. LOL. Forget what the Dept of Labor stats show.
You can believe whatever figures are fed to you by the overlords as you wish, but most people are going to look at their personal conditions to determine if their wages have actually gone up or not.
The Dept. of Labor stats show that American wages are increasing in general.
They don't tell YOU that therefore your personal wages are among those that have increased. Anybody knows this.
I'm sorry to hear that you and your friends are not keeping up with national average in wage increases.
Personally I have exceeded the 3.8% rate. My wages have increased an average of 10% each year for the past 7 years.
The "manager has every right to expect that. If it is not the case then the IT department is not doing it's job. IT is basically an overhead activity whose only value added is reducing labor costs within the actual profit centers. If they can't do that then what the heck are they there for?
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