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BBC Report: Noah's Ark "...more credible version based on Babylonian sources."
BBC On Line ^ | Friday, 19 March, 2004 | Jeremy Bowen

Posted on 03/19/2004 10:44:41 AM PST by yankeedame

Last Updated: Friday, 19 March, 2004, 11:06 GMT

Did Noah really build an ark?

By Jeremy Bowen
Presenter, Noah's Ark

In the Bible, God tells Noah he has to build an ark and load a pair of every kind of animal before a great flood engulfs the world. It is widely regarded as a myth, but could it actually be true?

The story of Noah and his ark is one which sticks in the minds of children and never gets forgotten.

God warned Noah - the only good man left in a world full of corruption and violence - to prepare for a great flood. With his sons he built a great ark and the animals marched in two by two. By the time the rain started to fall, Noah was ready. The ark was a refuge until the waters went down, leaving Noah and his menagerie high and dry on Mount Ararat.

There are many problems with the story. If the story is taken literally, it would have taken 35 years for Noah and his family to load two of every animal on earth. And a flood that engulfed the Earth would have left a signature for geologists - yet none has been found.

But it is possible to build a much more credible version of the story based on a different reading of the Bible, on ancient Babylonian sources that predate the Book of Genesis, and on archaeology and science.

Broken apart

The traditional shape of Noah's Ark comes from the imaginations of 19th Century artists. It would have been about 450ft long, and experts say it would have broken apart.

Even if such a feat of marine engineering had been possible, there are about 30 million species of animals in the world. For so many creatures, a fleet of enormous arks would have been needed.

Geologists have also proved that there is not enough water in the world to cover all the continents, then or now.

Loading 30 million species of animal would have taken 35 years But just because the details of this familiar story do not add up, should we turn our backs on Noah and the ark?

We have to forget the idea that such a huge boat carrying all known animals existed, that it came to rest on Mount Ararat in modern-day Turkey, and that a flood covered the entire Earth.

In 1851, British archaeologists discovered hundreds of clay tablets while digging in ancient Babylon.

It was 20 years later that British Museum assistant George Smith became the first person to read them. He found the story of Gilgamesh, which bore strong similarities to that of Noah. He was visited by the great gods, who decided there would be a great deluge, told him to make a boat and carry in it the seed of all living things.

Further Iraqi texts were discovered, showing the story emerged in Mesopotamia. And in the 1930s conclusive evidence of a huge flood in the area about 5,000 years ago - the time of the story of Noah - was found.

Trading centres

What we know of the culture of what is now Iraq gives the first glimpse of the real-life historical figure behind the myth.

Noah might have been king of a city called Shuruppak. He would have had a kilt, a shaven head and eye make-up, like the figures portrayed in artworks created in what was then known as Sumeria.

The epic of Gilgamesh says Noah had silver and gold, then the currency of wealthy merchants, suggesting he was a businessman.

Could this story have provided the inspiration for the Book of Genesis 2,000 years later?

Instead of building an ark to survive a great flood, he is more likely to have built boats to trade goods like beer, grain and animals.

All the big trading centres of the era were on the River Euphrates and it was cheaper to move goods by water than land. Sumerians were able to build barges about 20ft in length, and marine archaeologists have not found remains or inscriptions of larger vessels.

But they believe they would have had the technology to have built a series of barges and used them like pontoons on which a much larger boat, or ark, could have been constructed.

Tropical storm

Parts of the Euphrates were only navigable at certain times of the year, when the waters were deep enough for large boats.

Noah was likely to have waited for the melt waters to arrive in June and July and, if these had combined with a tropical storm, the river could have flooded the Mesopotamian plain.

The currents in the area would not have taken him towards Mount Ararat, but out into the Persian Gulf. Life would have been difficult, but they could have survived on the animals and beer on board.

One Babylonian text suggests the ark came to rest on what is now the island of Bahrain, providing a very different yet plausible end to the adventure.

Could this story have provided the inspiration for the holy men who wrote the Book of Genesis 2,000 years later? When they first heard the story, how could they fail to recognise its moral power, that if humankind falls short of God's laws, there's a dreadful price to pay. Behind that moral message lies one of the world's greatest stories.

And behind that story we can just glimpse a real man, a real boat and a real adventure.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 300manyearsoflabor; archaeology; blacksea; blackseaflood; coracle; cuneiform; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyon; greatflood; history; irvingfinkel; noah; noahsarc; noahsark; noahsflood; speculation
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To: Old Professer
To be or not to be... THAT is the question!
21 posted on 03/19/2004 11:47:25 AM PST by ambrose ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" - John F. al-Query)
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To: Old Professer
What's the copyright date?

Hmmm... can't seem to find one.

When someone invents a time machine, wake me up. Until that time, BOTH evolutionists and creationists are speculating as to what occurred thousands of years ago.

22 posted on 03/19/2004 11:49:02 AM PST by ambrose ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" - John F. al-Query)
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To: muawiyah
How 'bout them beer jugs, eh?!

The Bible relates that Noah had a problem with the fruit of the vine.

23 posted on 03/19/2004 11:51:27 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: yankeedame
Could this story have provided the inspiration for the holy men who wrote the Book of Genesis 2,000 years later?

No it couldn't have. This is just another example of the world trying to explain away the glory of God. It happened as it is stated in Genesis to Noah and is not some restated Babylonian myth.

24 posted on 03/19/2004 11:51:38 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: yankeedame

25 posted on 03/19/2004 11:52:04 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Gay marriage is for suckers...)
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To: yankeedame
There are many problems with the story.

The Deluge was the official beginning of modern property rights law and governmental bureaucracy--the recorder's office.

26 posted on 03/19/2004 11:54:28 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: blam
Shoemaker Levy 9's 21 fragments augering into Jupiter pretty much ended the academics uniformity model and opened the books again on the ident of Catastrophism shaping planets.

Its to be noted that the Ancient Hebrews mark 2 mechanisms in their flood account.

1- Waters errupting from vaults [The Earths crustal region]
2-Then it rained afterwards.

Nasa/JPL has regressed some Near Earth orbitors..and hypothesised that they may be remnants of a Moon which broke apart from some tidal force.

Clube and Napier forward the theme of supercomet break up..over periods of 20,000yrs..the fragments simply hamering into worlds as they are vacumned up in gravametric cycles.
The 4 known streams of the Taurid complex..which the Earth transits thru for a full quarter of a year..have been regressed via computer to a singular ident.
Comet Encke part of this debrie stream.

Other candidates exist to cause the Earth to fault under gravametrics...Velikovsky Mythological detective study concerning a wandering Venus..and Mars.

Could their have been another moon..before the one we presently see today?
could there have been 2 or more of varied size?

The records of Emporer Yahu of China record an event where waters were pulled up into the sky..and towered above the mountains..then there was an electric discharge....and the waters collapsed to inundate China for over 100 yrs.

But ya..maybe Opium was the national passtime of the early Dynastic kings...and Confuscious's validation of the event.....some reflection after a pull on the Opium pipe : )

27 posted on 03/19/2004 11:57:48 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: Servant of the 9
To have a large body of history passed orally for thousands of years without error in transcription or translation is preposterous. Epic stories get seriously distorted in a few hundred years.

I don't speak Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Arabic, etc., and I don't have original copies of what was originally written to be included in the Bible, nor do I have copies of the oral histories that existed before people began to put them down in writing, and so I may not be able to back up everything in the Bible to the satisfaction of you and others like you. I do, however, have my faith and I see nothing disapproving that much of it didn't happen the way it was written.

Before you point out that we are reading a translation of translation when reading the Bible in English, or that it was written over several years by multiple authors, save it, I've heard it before. It maybe true, but in no way does it diminish the lessons to be learned.

28 posted on 03/19/2004 12:02:31 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Servant of the 9
"If I knew Him, I'd be Him."

But I suspect that rather than its myriad details from various creation accounts, God's hope in us to do good is by the Biblical story's moral.

Please excuse another "non-thinker".

29 posted on 03/19/2004 12:04:47 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Servant of the 9
"Blind faith or reason?"

Perhaps "Faith or Blind Reason?"
30 posted on 03/19/2004 12:10:03 PM PST by TheDon (John Kerry, self proclaimed war criminal, Democratic Presidential nominee)
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To: yankeedame
The saddest part of the Noah's Ark story was when the Dallas Police shot the male gorilla.
31 posted on 03/19/2004 12:14:41 PM PST by HHFi
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To: Servant of the 9
All of these stories remained in the oral tradition for centuries before they were written down, so it's impossible to tell which is "oldest." I agree that the proliferation of stories about a flood provides evidence that there was a flood. Personally, I see no reason to not believe what the Bible says about it. The Bible has a better track record for truth than any other source I've ever come across. At least in my life.
32 posted on 03/19/2004 12:25:30 PM PST by twigs
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To: yankeedame
I've often wondered if maybe Noah took the DNA of all the creatures, not the creatures themselves.

Carolyn

33 posted on 03/19/2004 12:29:00 PM PST by CDHart
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To: yankeedame
According to the Bible the great flood happened about 1657 years after the world was created if you follow the lineage from Adam to Noah.

The interesting thing is Noah's father dies about 5 years before he finishes his ark and the flood happens, and Noah was 500 years old.
34 posted on 03/19/2004 12:29:27 PM PST by Chewbacca ("Turn off your machines! Walk off your jobs! Power to the People!" - The Ice Pirates)
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To: billbears
"It happened as it is stated in Genesis to Noah and is not some restated Babylonian myth".......

But, when the Bible tells us that the forty days of rain covered the entire earth in 15 cubits of water, and the ark landed on Mt. Ararat until the water receded, I've got a problem with literal interpretation.

Fifteen cubits is about 23 feet of water, and for that amount of water to cover all the earth, even Mt. Ararat- that existed before the flood, isn't plausible, unless it was some kind of special water that clings to slopes and mountains.

I guess that I'm just supposed to believe, but I can't. That's why there is tension between my born again Baptist grown son and myself, 'cause I just can't get into his life and beliefs.
35 posted on 03/19/2004 12:30:12 PM PST by aShepard
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To: CDHart
I've often wondered if maybe Noah took the DNA of all the creatures, not the creatures themselves.



No, but what he did take on the ark were infant animals, which included dinosaurs.
Which is easier and feed and care for, a baby elephant or a full grown one? More room also for extra animals.
36 posted on 03/19/2004 12:32:27 PM PST by Chewbacca ("Turn off your machines! Walk off your jobs! Power to the People!" - The Ice Pirates)
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To: yankeedame
First, there is strong evidence that the Book of Genesis was written by eye witnesses, including the sons of Noah. It clearly pre-dates the Epic of Gilgamesh...and is much more credible, given that the "Epic" is mythology, and Genesis 6-8 appear to be eye-witness accounts.

I am willing to provide evidence later to my assertion above.

37 posted on 03/19/2004 12:38:47 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: aShepard
Ask yourself this: According to historians there was a large land mass called Gondwanaland, or maybe Pangea. The Bible states that after the flood the world was changed. Geologists say that the mountain ranges of the world were formed by the earths seperate plates pushing against each other.

So, the question is "Were there any mountains before the flood?"

38 posted on 03/19/2004 12:39:03 PM PST by Chewbacca ("Turn off your machines! Walk off your jobs! Power to the People!" - The Ice Pirates)
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To: LiteKeeper
The book of Genesis was not written by eyewitnesses ... Moses wrote Genesis ... and he was not there ...

now ... perhaphs Moses had eyewitness SOURCES ...

THAT is a different issue ...
39 posted on 03/19/2004 12:46:35 PM PST by dartuser
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To: Chewbacca
Yes, there were mountains before the flood, the text affirms this ...

The waters covered the highest mountains ...

The real question ... How high were they back then ???

40 posted on 03/19/2004 12:47:59 PM PST by dartuser
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