Posted on 06/26/2004 12:06:50 PM PDT by pageonetoo
I am trying to figure out how to get a national petition started, to overturn the "Click it or Ticket" laws and its erosion, further, of individual rights.
I am curious how many folk consider The "Click it"campaign to be good, and whether it come through legislation, or did it come about by beaurocratic decree?
(From the NHTA site:
What Impact Have Primary Safety Belt Laws Had?
Primary safety belt laws – laws that allow police officers to pull over a driver and issue a safety belt citation without first observing another offense – have had an enormous effect on belt use. Belt use rates in States with primary laws are on average 11 percentage points higher than those with only secondary laws – laws that require officers to first observe another driving offense before being able to issue a belt citation.
Better illustrated, of the States and territories that achieved 80 percent or better safety belt use this past spring, 17 were primary law States. In contrast, the State with the lowest belt use in the country – New Hampshire with a use rate at roughly 50 percent – has no adult safety belt law at all.)
and what is New Hampshires license plate say? (Live Free or Die)
I am just saying if you have a firearm in your vehicle and you get pulled over by a police officer let him or her know that you have an unloaded firearm in your car/truck that way if they see it and you don't tell them about it you wont have a gun pointed in your face and things will be alright. I am not saying this will actually happen but to keep it from happening you know.
Cuba is a nice place. I would prefer to send them to Siberia. They would be at home,among the gulags...
I have real and fake Cohibas. The fakes came from Dominica. The Dominican brands are just as good, if not better!
There is no logic, just emotion, and the love for $$$, in most of these hearts.
The carry permit allows you to be in their record base.
Is true however, it does give you the right to carry a loaded firearm without any penalties against you. That is why you have to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. It is not to keep you from protecting yourself if you have to....let's hope and pray you never have to use your firearm.
cop, I am sure you will try to lecture me on what MAY happen. Don't! You will lose any argument you start, because you and your cohorts are postulating that the citizenry is not to be trustedThat means you have superior rights compared to ALL of us common folk! That is the same hypocricy that allows you to speed, run stop-lights, and drive like fools, when you would likely ticket any ot the 'ordinary citizens', or worse!
When will you answer the question I postulated to you. It is not theoretical. I wish to hear you tell me that you do not break any traffic laws, either officailly, or off-duty... or do you actually break some of these rules, too! Answer the friggin question (ATFQ)...
So far, All of these hypocrites have continued to whine about the danger to their pocketbooks from non-belted drivers. Not one of them has denied breaking the other laws and they actually expect me to take them seriously... hypocrites!!
you must be stopping in all the wrong places....
at all the wrong times....
The Capt.
You wanted an answer to the question? NO...I obide by all the rules of the road...I wear my seatbelt, I do the speed limit....I use my turn signals...It's call common courtesy. As for when I am on duty I have to set an example. I DO NOT break the speed limit unless I have my warning devices activated...ie lights and sirens. So there you have my answer. I was taught that I DO set an example..I have morales you know that I try to obide by the rules just like everyone else is supposed to.
I've worn my seatbelt since I was sixteen. I do so because there are many drivers out there that aren't as skilled at it as I am.
The "click it or ticket" laws don't give LE's any additional "reason" to pull you over. Thats patent nonsense.
No they don't, but I drive an 18 wheeler and every time a cop passes me without a seat belt, I grab my cell phone (yeah, I know) and call 911 and ask for either the highway patrol, county sheriff or municipal police chief accordingly.
I report the car number and inform whoever is in charge of the infraction and request that the offending officer be intercepted and ticketed or brought in to HQ and severly reprimanded.
I usually get a lot of stammering on the other end and a promise to "Take care of it".
Thank you for your service to your community. But, the original question was "should there be a law that requires me to wear a belt"?...
Ok...I thank you now we have that in the clear...personally I feel that there should be a law for seatbelts. I am glad to see they are making us enforce that law, however, I do not feel that, and I don't, pull people over for just seatbelts...they must be severly violating another traffic law for me to pull them over. Understand though that the people who passed this law has made it probable cause to initiate a traffic stop. I would, and have, given people ample opportunities to buckle up. I have a saying..."first one is on me, second one is on you."
Did you hear about the woman in Texas a couple of years ago that spent the weekend in jail when a cop pulled her over because she wasn't wearing a seat belt? Your statement is simply not true.
How many more lives would be saved if people wore helmets while driving cars? Shouldn't we require ALL motorists to wear helmets if it saves the life of a single child?
Now that's rediculous....but I do agree that helmets should be mandatory on motorcycles
Hmmmmm, 600,000 cops nationally, and you lock on to ONE example, huh?
Riiiight.......
Cite me or Bite me.
So you're Pro-Abortion then right? The SC ruled for it so therefore its good and just.
That was 14 yrs ago, and my friends told me to buy a tank after those accidents.
I do a lot of defensive driving in this state, lots. I pray regularly over my car now.
I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint one night on the way home from a wedding. I had a few drinks, but it takes quite a few to get me drunk. But I did have an open container and when I got into the car, I took off my sport coat and my .45 was in plain view on my hip. I did have visions of a whole fleet of guys surrounding the car with their guns drawn.
Decisions, decisions.
As I approached the area, I considered doing a U-turn and going another way but I didn't. I 'knew' that even though they were not to go after someone who avoided the c/p that they would have some reason for doing so and I'd be hassled for avoiding it as well as being ticketed for the open container. So, I went up to the c/p and started to put down the window and the officer handed me a card and off I went. No check. No nothing. 12 cops standing around getting paid for what? That just added to me opposition to c/ps.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to get a ticket, but these guys were not earning their keep or even doing the job that they were supposedly there for. I posted a thread on this 2 years ago and the discussion lasted almost a week.
My point is, if I'm legal and not a threat, as in the example above, and they have no reason to search my vehicle, why do I have to declare anything? An unloaded gun is useless so it's not a threat. Should an officer walk up to me on the street, should I tell him that I have a loaded firearm on my person? Why would I invite further scrutiny when none is in order. Why would I let everyone else know that I'm carrying by informing an officer and have people around now be aware that I'm armed because an officer is frisking me in public and taking my firearm?
It doesn't make sense to me, but often the law does not.
I think I am understanding what you are saying...but what I was refering to was that if an officer stops you regardless if you are in your car or on foot, and asks if you have any weapons you should tell him. Now if you are carrying a weapon illeagally..ie concealed without a concealed license, by all means you should have to pay the price...the concept is officer safety. I understand certain people are not a threat...I deal with people on a day to day basis. The whole thing boils down to the stop and frisk law, Terry v. Ohio, I can frisk anyone I come up to on the street if I have reasonable suspicion the person has committed or about to commit a crime. Even if it is just me questioning someone I can still frisk for my safety as well as the person I am talking to. If I see you walking down the street and notice a bulge in your jacket or even see a weapon I will inquire about it. I have no idea who you are at the time so I might feel the need to investigate. But anyway I understand that you don't want unreasonable scrutany, by all means neither do I as a police officer want to put you in that situation.
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