Posted on 06/26/2004 12:06:50 PM PDT by pageonetoo
I am trying to figure out how to get a national petition started, to overturn the "Click it or Ticket" laws and its erosion, further, of individual rights.
I am curious how many folk consider The "Click it"campaign to be good, and whether it come through legislation, or did it come about by beaurocratic decree?
(From the NHTA site:
What Impact Have Primary Safety Belt Laws Had?
Primary safety belt laws – laws that allow police officers to pull over a driver and issue a safety belt citation without first observing another offense – have had an enormous effect on belt use. Belt use rates in States with primary laws are on average 11 percentage points higher than those with only secondary laws – laws that require officers to first observe another driving offense before being able to issue a belt citation.
Better illustrated, of the States and territories that achieved 80 percent or better safety belt use this past spring, 17 were primary law States. In contrast, the State with the lowest belt use in the country – New Hampshire with a use rate at roughly 50 percent – has no adult safety belt law at all.)
and what is New Hampshires license plate say? (Live Free or Die)
" . . . compared with the money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind."
Left off the list is 'liberals'.
Just as much responsible with their failed ideology for the maiming of millions men, women and children and untold suffering to mankind as the three stooges you stated earlier.
But, I digress . . . .
As has Congress, allowing the fed'rul dole, to the states, tObviously the NHTA has made this a top down priority.
Read some of what Walter Williams had to say about it:
Imagine you're having a backyard barbeque. A cop walks in and announces, "This is a random health and safety check to see whether you've removed the skin from the chicken before you served it." Though delicious in taste, we all know that chicken skin contains considerable unhealthy fat. If you're caught serving chicken skin, the cop gets your ID and issues you a $50 ticket.
If something like this were to occur, most Americans, I hope, would see such an action as ludicrous, offensive, and a gross violation of our liberties. But not so fast; let's think about it. Each year obesity claims the lives of 300,000 Americans and adds over $100 billion to healthcare costs. Doesn't that give government the right to dictate what we eat? If you're the least offended by the notion of government dictating our diets, pray tell me how it differs in principle from seatbelt laws and especially the new federal enforcement program called "Click It Or Ticket." -excerpted
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/ticket.html
The reason why are seatbelt laws is because it is truly a displeasurable and costly experience for others to pick your remains up off the street.
I strongly support "choice" for seat belt usage. There is one law I would like to implement in reagards to seat belt usage: Only seat belt wearers have a right to seek compensation for accident injuries - from their own insurance company or from any other party involved in the accident.
Health insurance costs go up if people aren't seatbelted. Same for smoking. So if you want to lower health insurance costs, enforce seatbelts and ban smoking. Why doesn't smoking get banned? Cause enough people love it and always have, it's an important part of their day. Never yet seen someone take a 10 minute break from work to go sit in the car without their seatbelt on.
LICK IT OR TICKET
FMCDH(BITS)
Actually, when the law first came into being, at least in some states, they couldn't stop you for seat belts if there was no other violation. The seat belt law was strictly an easy way of generating revenue. Now it has become a convenient way to search your vehicle for no other reason than because they can.
Here in Florida, they got the seat belt law passed by saying the police could not stop you for non-compliance. We went for it.
I believe in 2003 they got a state petition up to allow the PD's to be able to stop you for not wearing the seat belt.
It was passed by we the sheeple.
We are to blame.
Agreed. Most sheeple are complacent to laws until it affects them personnaly.
(Walter Williams is great!)
...There's no liberty-based argument for forcing one person to care for the needs of another. Under socialism one is obliged to care for another. A parent-child relationship emerges between the citizen and the government. That was not the vision of our Founders.
Walter E. Williams c40-03 September 8, 2003
He is much more eloquent that I...
Are you series???
When has you insurance ever been reduced after the enactment of the seat belt law?
The sad part is, you probably believe that hogwash.
I was in 3 car accidents in 1990, sitting still..two at a stop sign, and in one I was rear ended while stopped behind another vehicle. I had on my seatbelt, it saved my life, not once but three times in 90 day period. I have a major back injury, permanent nerve damage and the first seven years afterwards I had trouble sleeping. I like seatbelts, in fact you could say I love them, I wish everyone was wise enough to wear them. IF I hadn't been wearing one, who knows if you would be reading this, or if I would be in heaven already.
It is just one step on the road to total control.
They won't be happy til "click it or ticket" turns into,
"Deine papieren, bitte!" at every local checkpoint.
Random strip searches in the local grocery stores for the safety of us all are not far off.
I think it's annoying and insulting. It's another example of the Government having too much money which could be better spent by me!
"The reason why are seatbelt laws is because it is truly a displeasurable and costly experience for others to pick your remains up off the street."
And you've had to pick up over 100 remains off the street of those who have been killed by federally mandated air bags in cars.
Like O'Rourke says:
Peace Kills
Government Kills
Just a bit ticketed off here. Just sent $77 for my ClickIt ticket to the government gestapo. I should know about gestapos. I was born in Germany.
Ah...the seat belt law. As a LEO it does come in handy when trying to find probable cause to pull someone over. With that said, I do agree with occupant limitations and restrictions on choice when it comes to children - we have this with life jackets and boats - but compelling everyone?
LE Officers must have the tools to perform their primary role - To Prevent Crime and Disorder. A community will be as safe as it wants to be and will have the type of law enforcement it wants to have.
However, we are seeing a trend in LE in that is hurting the ones we depend on the most. Think about it, which LEO do you depend on the most? Local, County, State, or Federal? Most of us depend on the local level more than the others.
With each step who holds the LEO responsible?
Local - Town and City citizens.
County - Rural citizens.
State - As a group.
Federal - As a Nation.
With each step, the amount of people who actually vote dimishes. With this said, it might not be too far of a stretch to say that politians who are held least responsible pass the most laws that local LEO have to enforce.
An example is the Federal government forcing States to pass laws or loose hiway funds.
Getting people together for a national movement is a lofty goal but how are you going to do this if they don't even turn out on a local level?
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