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CBS' “new” Bush guard memos a hoax (Update w/ conclusive proof of forgeries!)
ChronicallyBiased - keeping tabs on the Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/9

Posted on 09/09/2004 3:47:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist

(scroll down to the bottom of the article for the update section):

UPDATE: NEW PROOF OF FORGERY

Following the Little Green Footballs blog lead, CB decided to test the pantograph replication technique on another of the CBS documents to see if it held true. Using Microsoft Word on its factory default settings with 12 point Times New Roman font we copied the address line of CBS memo #1 and overlapped the two for comparison.

As you can see the test worked and, in doing so, inadvertantly uncovered more proof that the document is a forgery. The new evidence revolves around the fact that Microsoft Word auto-formats its text using the centering function. When the text alignment for “center” is selected each subsequent line will be precisely centered underneath the previous one with each word of the text readjusting to meet this alignment as new letters are entered into the line. Since typewriters mechanically stamp letters onto a sheet of paper one at a time, it is physically impossible to create a mechanical typewriter document that perfectly aligns two or more centered rows of text on top of each other. The address bar on CBS Memo #1 is perfectly centered and perfectly aligned, thus it had to have come from a computer word processor and not a typewriter. The replication experiment in Microsoft Word with an identical match further validates this origin.


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To: Spiff
He also said that no typewriter from that period could do that.

Actually, I believe that they could. The "font" on the old Selectrics was in the form of a type ball, which was replaceable. They could have substituted the ball at that point in the typing.

That's a ridiculous amount of work to do for a military records doc, though.

101 posted on 09/09/2004 4:23:21 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Desperate people doing desperate acts... (Dumb Dems.. Dumb..Dumb.. Dems)


The only problem is Rather will not be fired, he will announce that he is going to "retire" so as to no lose his benefits, and it will be the PA or whom ever that was suppose to confirm the authenticity that will get fired. (mind you the should be if the knew it was a forgery.)
And 60 mins II will slowly change nights that it is on and then fall by the wayside of network tv...
102 posted on 09/09/2004 4:23:27 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Zell Miller for Secretary of Defense against liberals! (jeez spitballs.. now thats funny!))
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To: Izzy Dunne
Yes, centering to the nearest pica was often done in our company. I worked for a government contractor and often worked on preparing proposals. The tech editors were crazed to make sure the documents look absolutely perfect.

Also, sometimes there was just a competitive nature amongst us repros .... we often would see who could do the best centering, or who could get the most tape and white-out on a master before it caused a problem with the xerox machine, etc. When we finally had a master copy ready for the xerox room, it was NOT a thing of beauty. We depended on the copying process to make it all work out.

Quirky, I know, but the job was otherwise DAMN boring!

103 posted on 09/09/2004 4:23:34 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: Twinkie

#99
LOL ..... you're right, of course!


104 posted on 09/09/2004 4:24:33 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
But we couldn't center it like these were....no matter how hard we tried! The technology just wasn't there then. If there were an odd # of letters it was "off" just a little bit to either the right or the left.

That's absolutely true, and for an anal retentive person like me it was torture to have one character off on either side. Grrr!

This is amazing to watch. I'm listening to Hugh Hewitt and trying not to cheer my radio.

105 posted on 09/09/2004 4:24:53 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: mcg1969

Good catch. Can anybody confirm if this was Bush's unit's actual PO Box? Or was it just another CBS fabrication? After all, the got Bush's home address wrong on that same memo. It lists his 1968 address when he had moved twice from that by the date in 1972.


106 posted on 09/09/2004 4:25:20 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Centering on a proportional spacing typewriter. . . .

I'm really telling my age. I typed on an IBM Executive Typewriter, with proportional spacing.

I remember something about putting a "grommet" on the typewriter, when you needed to center a line. You'd type the line, and the grommet would keep the keys from hitting the paper, but the typewriter would advance the proper spacing just as if the keys were hitting.

Then, you knew exactly how long the line was going to be, so you could backspace exactly 1/2, and type it again (without the grommet), and it would be perfectly centered. Wow!

Does anyone remember the old grommet? It was a small piece of black rubber, round, with a whole in the middle, with an opening on one side. I remember many-a-day, walking around the office, asking, "Who's seen my grommet?"

This whole thread is cracking me up!!!


107 posted on 09/09/2004 4:25:49 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: colorado tanker
In the Army, the signature on a letterhead document would be "Commanding" not "Commander." True for the Air Force?

Actually, "Commander" is the correct Air Force signature block designation.

The Air Force had a little twist where they would allow someone to sign as "Acting Commander" if the commander was off station, but they eliminated that allowance in the late 70s. Someone holding appropriate delegated authorIty might sign something "FOR THE COMMANDER" (all caps) too. Only someone on G-series orders was allowed to sign as commander.

108 posted on 09/09/2004 4:26:13 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: All
I remember reading one of the purposes of FR was to boil down the facts into the "hard truth". I hope JimRob is grinning ear to ear over today's fine stew.
109 posted on 09/09/2004 4:27:03 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
#86 he still has to put the typewriter at the ".xxx point" position to start typing!

Most "repro" typing was done on light card stock, known as blue line masters. The sheets had several markings around the edges and down the center. The blue did not reproduce with standard xerox machines. It was very easy to make sure you always started at exactly the same point on the center line. The typewriter had a key that was a "place finder" and you set it to the same place each line.

110 posted on 09/09/2004 4:27:12 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: Made in USA

LMAO ...too funny


Doogle


111 posted on 09/09/2004 4:27:22 PM PDT by Doogle (8th AF..Ubon Thailand..408thMMS...."69"...Night Line Delivery,,Ammo Dump)
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To: JCEccles

Kerry's Down and Dirty Offensive has been stopped. My guess is they put everything out front and that this is not an attack in depth. At any rate CBS and 60 Minutes and Dan Rather will have to retreat from the field. Their only hope is to turn on their source. I'll bet this goes back to the DNC.

Meanwhile back at the Kerry campaign: All hands on deck! Man the pumps! Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!


112 posted on 09/09/2004 4:27:22 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Brian Allen
I never suggested Kerry needed anything, and therefore never insulted the electorate. I only pointed out the possibility that the Clintons themselves are not above doing this type of thing. If so, it would be they who are insulting us all and that is par for their course
113 posted on 09/09/2004 4:29:40 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Bryan24
Here it is in monospaced font:

111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron
          P.O. Box 34567
       Houston, Texas 77034

114 posted on 09/09/2004 4:29:54 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: alnick
Per Britt: Killian's son said the documents are a mix of truth and fiction. Son said his father would not have stored these documents in his personal files. CBS said they stand by the authenticity of the documents, the schlubs.

Well which part is fiction, and which truth? He didn't say? How would he know this?

115 posted on 09/09/2004 4:30:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: mcg1969

The 111th moto is the "Ace in the Hole"


116 posted on 09/09/2004 4:31:53 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: i_dont_chat
#107
Stop it!! You're bringing back just too many memories. No more info from me today ... no sirreee. Someone's gonna figure out just how OLD I really am.
117 posted on 09/09/2004 4:32:36 PM PDT by RightField (The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
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To: Jorge
How could somebody be so stupid as to even attempt to pass something like this off?

They are not called dummycrats for nothing!!

118 posted on 09/09/2004 4:33:30 PM PDT by machman
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To: GOPcapitalist
Here's more:

In the August 18, 1973 memo "discovered" by 60 Minutes, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job.

But wait! Reader Amar Sarwal points out that General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.

This is from NRO's Kerry Corner.

119 posted on 09/09/2004 4:35:24 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: RightField

You said: As a typist, you would know the pica or width value of each letter. A lower-case 'm' for instance, might be worth 5, while a lower-case 't' might be worth 2. As I recall, the widest of all letters on the old IBM Executives was 7 (upper case W). Then it's just a matter of totalling the value of each letter, adding an average of 3 picas between each word, dividing by 2, finding the center point, backspacing the required number of units, and then typing the line. The typist had the freedom to add or subtract units between words (or even units between letters in a word) so as to make an individual line or word come out "right."


Yes, but remember...this guy was just typing an address. Wouldn't "eyeballing" a center point work fine for that? Why on earth would he have gone to SUCH pains to make sure the thing was EXACTLY centered?

He wouldn't. It's a forgery. Fraud exposed! WTG freepers, and WTG Fox!


120 posted on 09/09/2004 4:37:20 PM PDT by OkieDokieSmokie ("We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail." -President George W. Bush, Oct. 26, 2001)
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